AIDS: Most Ineffective Biological Weapon Ever?

May 8th, 2010
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Yes, the US had a major biological weapons program for many years. So did the Soviet Union and so did the United Kingdom. Numerous other countries dabbled in biological weapons research at one time or another. Some programs did experiment with various exotic viruses and bacterial conditions. In general, pathogenic bacteria have been preferred for weapons use, as they can be easily cultured in mass and will grow in the environment, not requiring direct contact between hosts to transmit the infection. The ability to sequence and combine genetic material existed in only the most rudimentary forms prior to the 1990′s, but biological weapons programs did use the genetic engineering technologies and hybridization methods available to some extent.

However, AIDS didn’t come from any of these programs. It came from non-human primates and made the jump to humans some time in the 19th or early 20th century – although it is remotely possible that it existed in humans even earlier. The most likely explanation for the transmission to humans is the consumption of bushmeat. It existed in isolated populations in Africa for some time before entering the industrial world and rapidly spreading worldwide in the 1970′s.

Lets stop and consider something. If HIV was actually created as a biological weapon, it’s arguably the worst, most ineffective, most poorly chosen biological weapon ever created. It has none of the traits that an effective biological weapon should have and nearly all the traits that make an organism a very very poor choice of biological weapon.

  1. It’s not very easily spread.  It requires direct body fluid contact.   It can be transmitted by blood to blood contact or sexual intercourse, but even sex is not a very effective means of transmission, as the probability of transmission from a single sexual encounter between an infected individual and uninfected individual is less than 1%.   It’s not airborne, can’t be dispersed as a weapon, is not prone to transmission orally or even by close physical contact.   The only contact of transmission that actually results in transmission more than 50% of the time is a blood transfusion.
  2. It’s fairly easy to prevent transmission.   Condom use alone can reduce sexual transmission risk by more than 85%.   Screening of blood and tissue can reduce the danger from transplantation or transfusion to nearly zero.   Outside the body, the virus can be easily destroyed with even mild disinfectants. Just washing surfaces will usually kill or remove the virus. Even an item contaminated with the live virus is unlikely to cause infection, as blood to blood contact is usually required.
  3. It takes years and sometimes decades to reach the point where it incapacitates or kills.   Some individuals are carriers HIV and never even manifest symptoms of full blown AIDS. In the mean time, they’re perfectly capable of going about their business and reproducing, which, when they do, will result in a healthy baby, even for a female with HIV, more than 50% of the time
  4. There is no cure for HIV nor is there any effective vaccine, and while there are treatments, they are of varying effectiveness and must be taken for life. Having no cure or vaccine is a big disadvantage for a biological weapon, because it makes it difficult to prevent the weapon from infecting friendly forces or those who are deploying the weapon.

    For example, if anthrax were to be used on the battlefield, the force that released it would likely already be vaccinated and would be prepared with stockpiles of antibiotics for immediate treatment. Even biological weapons which are engineered to be resistant to most antibiotics usually are created with a selected “antidote” treatment. The unpredictable nature of biological weapons demands that there be a method to avoid a “friendly fire” outbreak once it has been released.

  5. HIV does not discriminate. Despite claims that it was created to wipe out blacks or homosexuals, HIV can infect any person of any race, any sexual orientation and any gender. Many straight men and women have been infected with HIV and the fastest growing group of HIV sufferers is heterosexual women.

    The fact that HIV has historically been seen in higher proportions in homosexual males is because of a number of factors. Certain sexual activities, such as anal sex tend to be more likely to transmit the virus. It is also believed that prior to the publication of the risks of HIV in the mid 1980′s, homosexuals may have been less likely than heterosexuals to use condoms (due to the fact that most STD’s were mild and curable with antibiotics, and unlike heterosexuals, there was no concern of pregnancy.)

AIDS does indeed kill millions in the poorest countries of the world, especially in Africa, but the impact is not nearly enough to tip the population balance or possibly wipe out African societies and races, as some have claimed its goal is. Especially given the impact of famine and war on Africa, the actual impact on the population by AIDS is not enormous. While it is tragic on an individual scale and has left hundreds of thousands orphaned, it is not depopulating Africa or even making a dent on world population. Furthermore the impact can be reduced, dramatically, by simple and inexpensive programs like condom distribution and education. The fact that it has not been reduced as much as it could be is more of a political issue than a scientific one.

It may seem like an attractive conspiracy theory to attribute something as sensational as HIV and AIDS to a conspiracy to create a weapon, but it’s not hard to see that the virus is actually about as poorly suited for biological weapon use as an infectious organism could possibly be. HIV is certainly not a “designer disease.” It also has no relation to any other viruses that conspiracy theorists have claimed were used as the basis for the virus.


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46 Responses to “AIDS: Most Ineffective Biological Weapon Ever?”

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    DV82XL Says:

    Well it might have worked if they hadn’t gotten greedy and tried to target Blacks and homosexuals with the same agent….


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    Q Says:

    As is mentioned here, HIV is a pretty difficult virus to transmit person to person. Even sex with an infected person is not a very reliable way of transmitting it. Most of the time it is transmitted because of repeated sex with infected persons. Blood to blood contact outside of transfusions is pretty uncommon.

    What kind of an idiot could honestly think this is a “designer disease” or a “biological weapon”

    Yeah, the plan: We’ll put a disease in the population that only some people will get and can be avoided by sexual discretion and protection. Then after some people get it, we’ll wait 20 years for them to die from it.

    BTW: I don’t mean to diminish the tragic toll it has taken in Africa, of course. However, it will never collapse the population because it does not stop breeding and people continue to produce offspring after having it for years afterward.

    The first video seems to have very little understanding of what a bio-weapon really is. They’re generally a bit unreliable in any case, but the idea that you could cause cancer as a weapon is also idiotic. It takes too long to develop and is not reliable to incapacitate. There’s a reason why anthrax is the classic bioweapon. You can brew up gallons of the stuff in a simple incubator, it lives pretty well in most environments and it can make a person very sick in a day and dead in a few.


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    BigBill Says:

    At the same time there are others who say aids is not caused by hiv and hiv is harmless or non-existant. They say AIDS is simply the result of toxins in the system.

    I”m not endorsing this. I’m just saying that these conspiracy nuts are going off in every direction on this.

    Nice blog, BTW/


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    JASPP Says:

    What about a different kind of bio weapon?

    You are looking at this like it’s a regular battle weapon for a war like world war II or vietnam or whatever. what if it is a different kind of thing. Think about it. it is not to take over or to kill everyone or wipe them out. it could be to keep them weak. if a lot of people in africa are always sick, even if they don’t die right away it means the whole place is always weak. a country with so many orphans and so many sick people cant be strong and get in your way

    the genius of aids is it does not make someone sick. it kills the immune system so other disease makes them sick. what you have is places where many are always medically bad off. like with black people or the other brown races that the Illuminati hate and want to keep them in the place. make them so they are fighting for health all the time and they won’t bother you.

    theres more to this. don’t be so stupid to assume this stuff. think about things and look deeper for the more complex plan. you know there are already fema camps being set up and a million government coffins in preparation for phase number 2


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    DV82XL Says:

    Fourth comment, the nutbars are getting quicker off the mark.

    JASPP the only stupid person here is you. Inductive reasoning without a foundation of knowledge in the fundamentals almost always draws the wrong conclusions.


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    JASPP Says:

    I have bad news for dv82xl. The government does not love you! The government won’t be honest and nice nice and always do the right thing. The government does bad **** all the time and lies all the time and you’re an idiot for automatically believing the party line that you are spoon fed. Sure, you believe something as crazy as a disease that nobody ever knew about suddenly and mysteriously came from monkeys and started killing people and sickening them all over the parts of the world that have the brown people that the high ranking officials are so tired of dealing with.Look in the miror and what you see is not a person but a sheep! You are a sheep! THINK FOR YOURSELF! Open your mind and look at things for what they are. Forget what the government tells you to believe!


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    DV82XL Says:

    I have got bad news for you JASPP you are a paranoid, and I have no intention of engaging with you. The term for using your imagination uncritically is not ‘thinking for yourself’ – it’s called deluding yourself.


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    Dave G Says:

            DV82XL said:

    The term for using your imagination uncritically is not ‘thinking for yourself’ – it’s called deluding yourself.

    These people usually don’t even have the capacity to create their own delusions. In addition to being uncritical and unrestrained, they’re not usually even imaginative and don’t think for themselves at all. They just buy into whatever they read on a website or see on youtube. Conspiracy theorists are the ultimate non-thinkers because they just look to Alex Jones or David Ike or someone else to tell them what to think.


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    I'mnotreallyhere Says:

            DV82XL said:

    I have got bad news for you JASPP you are a paranoid, and I have no intention of engaging with you. The term for using your imagination uncritically is not ‘thinking for yourself’ – it’s called deluding yourself.

    Oh come on, he name-checks the Illuminati, surely he’s just taking the piss.

    Next we’re going to have someone claiming that Neil Armstrong shot JFK from a soundstage (made to look like the moon) somewhere below Area 51 using alien technology to curve a bullet through space and time (backwards).


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    Finrod Says:

            I’mnotreallyhere said:

    Next we’re going to have someone claiming that Neil Armstrong shot JFK from a soundstage (made to look like the moon) somewhere below Area 51 using alien technology to curve a bullet through space and time (backwards).

    You know too much.


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    Satan_Klaus Says:

    Speaking of viral outbreaks, it seems to me that your site has recently started spreading one. I’m not sure if it is you or one of your banners, but there is a java-script that redirects the browser to a fake “security scan” page that is meant to look like its part of windows security center. It’s a pretty well done scam, and I think it wants money for ‘ridding your PC of viruses’, in effect selling you protection from itself.

    Please look into this ASAP!

    Satan_Klaus


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    Joe Says:

    Please check your site out ASAP. You’ve been hacked somehow and you’re spreading a fake antivirus application.


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    Kevin B. Says:

    ^Yup, happened to me too. The fake Windows pop-ups made me laugh pretty hard because I run Ubuntu. However, I’d hate to see any of your normal viewers get infected…


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    drbuzz0 Says:

    There was an infection that exploited a weakness in WordPress. I upgraded the platform and I just purged what I think was the last instance of the virus. Let me know if you continue to get that crap. Hopefully it will be all good now.


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    Chuck P. Says:

            drbuzz0 said:

    There was an infection that exploited a weakness in WordPress. I upgraded the platform and I just purged what I think was the last instance of the virus.

    Let me know if you continue to get that crap.

    Hopefully it will be all good now.

    Sorry Doc, still getting it.


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            Chuck P. said:

    Sorry Doc, still getting it.

    Are you sure it’s not something cached? Did you try refreshing? I’ve been through most of the code and I can’t get it to do that anymore for me and I’ve tried on two different computers


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    JASPP Says:

    Seems you know very little about infections HEHEHE!

    If computer viruses can be made by humans, why not HIV? HEHEHEHE

    Looks very suspicious when you did, eh?

    You would not believe how much they did with bioweapons and other kinds of weapons you would find impossible.

    Ever heard of HAARP?

    Think all the deadly earthquakes and tsunamis have been just a mistake? Nope. Sorry. Too much evidence. Open your eyes.


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    Finrod Says:

            JASPP said:

    Seems you know very little about infections HEHEHE!

    Is this an admission that JASPP is responsible for the virus?


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    Matthew Says:

            drbuzz0 said:

    Are you sure it’s not something cached? Did you try refreshing?

    I’ve been through most of the code and I can’t get it to do that anymore for me and I’ve tried on two different computers

    Is it related to the way the comments feed page seems to have gone nonfunctional? Maybe there’s an interaction there.


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    TomT Says:

            drbuzz0 said:

    Are you sure it’s not something cached? Did you try refreshing?

    I’ve been through most of the code and I can’t get it to do that anymore for me and I’ve tried on two different computers

    It is one of the items loading in the side bar. But it only rotates in every so often. It happened to me this morning on my IPad. Not that it could actually infect it but it did launch the popups pretending to be a windows scanner. It generally happens as one of the last items from the side bar loads and trips the virus.

    Looking at the side bar I’m not certain which of the things there might be it except maybe the YOUR AD HERE thing under the sidebar that I only see on my IPad. That appears to be a link to adbrite and given that this flavor of virus is usually distributed in ads I would think it is linked to that. Sadly the virus people buy real ads on legitimate sites for their viruses to infect you with.


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    TomT Says:

            JASPP said:

    Seems you know very little about infections HEHEHE!

    If computer viruses can be made by humans, why not HIV?

    HEHEHEHE

    Looks very suspicious when you did, eh?

    You would not believe how much they did with bioweapons and other kinds of weapons you would find impossible.

    Ever heard of HAARP?

    Think all the deadly earthquakes and tsunamis have been just a mistake?

    Nope. Sorry.

    Too much evidence. Open your eyes.

    You are demonstrating your ignorance and your gullibility. A bio weapon frankly would never have a targeted time of 15+ years to take effect. Frankly that would just be dumb and anyone who could believe in such a weapon would be dumb. A bio weapon would strike in under a year doing it’s killing. Frankly the entire AIDS is a bio weapon theory just reeks of stupidity.


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    TomT Says:

            JASPP said:

    Ever heard of HAARP?

    Think all the deadly earthquakes and tsunamis have been just a mistake?

    Nope. Sorry.

    Too much evidence. Open your eyes.

    Oh god you are one of poor suckers who believe in HAARP as an earthquake machine. Oh god the stupidity it burns.


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    Sarah Says:

    Can anyone explain why Magic Johnson is able to go on for years and never get AIDS even though he has been positive for HIV for twenty years almost and most people get AIDS after having HIV only a short time or maybe a few years?


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            Sarah said:

    Can anyone explain why Magic Johnson is able to go on for years and never get AIDS even though he has been positive for HIV for twenty years almost and most people get AIDS after having HIV only a short time or maybe a few years?

    To understand this you have to realize where he gets his name. They call him “Magic Johnson” for a reason. He has a magic johnson. His johnson is actually magic. It’s like a magic wand and it protects him from any kind of STD.


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    Matthew Says:

            drbuzz0 said:

    To understand this you have to realize where he gets his name.

    They call him “Magic Johnson” for a reason. He has a magic johnson.

    His johnson is actually magic. It’s like a magic wand and it protects him from any kind of STD.

    Just goes to show you that all the stats in the world tell you exactly nothing about the next guy to walk through the door.


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    drbuzz0 Says:

    It was a joke


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    Stacey1980 Says:

    Yes, these conspiracy theories are pretty stupid. Do they even stop to think? A bioweapon that spreads only by blood-blood contact and which takes ten to twenty years to start working? What kind of idiot would believe that.

    These are not the dangerous ones though. The really dangerous ones are the HIV/AIDS deniers who say that it is not even a virus or it is caused by chemicals or lack of nutrition or whatever. It is dangerous because it gets people to not get treatment or worse to not believe they need to practice safe sex. Even people with AIDS have fallen for this and have gone and infected others because they believed their only problem was not enough vitamins or something.

    Regarding Magic Johnson (kinda funny joke, but of course not real) and why he does not have AIDS when he has been HIV positive for so long. He is not the only one. There are people who have had HIV for 20 years and more and who still are healthy and have low viral levels in their blood. Some of them even are so low that they don’t always test positive. We do not know why. It probably helps that Magic Johnson is athletic and healthy to begin with, but some people have an immune system or body chemistry that stops the HIV virus from taking complete hold or reduces the ability of the virus to cause symptoms.

    There is a lot of interest and research into this. If we can figure out why some people are so resistant then it could lead to therapies or a vaccine. It is a very complex viral cycle so it’s not easy to figure out.


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    TruthSeaker85 Says:

    AIDS is not a disease, it is a buisiness and the big pharma companies are calling the shots. HIV is an invented virus that is used to mask the different chemicals and illnesses that the government is infecting onto people they don’t like such as homosexuals and black people and others who get in the way

    Look up the tuskegee experiment. This is dajavu all over again.

    By the way: HAARP is not an earthquake machine. That is only ONE of the things it does. It is a weapon of complete destruction and an experiment into satanism mixed with science. Look up some of the **** nikola tesla talked about for direct energy control of weather, earthquakes, lightning, climate and yes even mind control. the ionosphere is the new battlegroudn and that’s why it is being seeded constantly by airplanes with chemicals. They don’t even know what they’re messing with but that’s it, becuase it’s a weapon just the same. AIDS is part of the whole method of keeping the ones who get in the way on the ground sick with made up disease and keeping them on the drugs for profit. it is disgusting.


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    Matthew Says:

            TruthSeaker85 said:

    AIDS is not a disease, it is a buisiness and the big pharma companies are calling the shots. HIV is an invented virus that is used to mask the different chemicals and illnesses that the government is infecting onto people they don’t like such as homosexuals and black people and others who get in the way

    Look up the tuskegee experiment. This is dajavu all over again.

    By the way: HAARP is not an earthquake machine. That is only ONE of the things it does.

    It is a weapon of complete destruction and an experiment into satanism mixed with science. Look up some of the **** nikola tesla talked about for direct energy control of weather, earthquakes, lightning, climate and yes even mind control.

    the ionosphere is the new battlegroudn and that’s why it is being seeded constantly by airplanes with chemicals. They don’t even know what they’re messing with but that’s it, becuase it’s a weapon just the same. AIDS is part of the whole method of keeping the ones who get in the way on the ground sick with made up disease and keeping them on the drugs for profit. it is disgusting.

    Hate to be a pedant, but you misspelled “seeker” in your handle. Not gonna touch the rest with a 3m pole.


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    Shafe Says:

    Well, I’m glad to know that it’s not God who’s punishing the homosexuals and blacks.

            Matthew said:

    Hate to be a pedant, but you misspelled “seeker” in your handle. Not gonna touch the rest with a 3m pole.

    The correct spelling is GlueSniffer85.


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    Chase Says:

    Journal of the Science of Healing Outcomes

    Silver Sol technology was used in this study. To learn more go to http://www.supernaturalsilver.com

    Human AIDS Preliminary Study: 40% Increase in T-Cell Count.

    http://www.supernaturalsilver.com/images/CNBC%20ABL%27s%20HIV%20Study%20Press%20Release.pdf


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            Chase said:

    Journal of the Science of Healing Outcomes

    Silver Sol technology was used in this study. To learn more go to http://www.supernaturalsilver.com

    Human AIDS Preliminary Study: 40% Increase in T-Cell Count.

    http://www.supernaturalsilver.com/images/CNBC%20ABL%27s%20HIV%20Study%20Press%20Release.pdf

    A “study” published in an obscure, unknown and dubious “journal” in the first issue. The “study” consisted of a total of SEVEN individuals who were given a product with full knowledge with No blinding, no placebo and in fact, no control group of any kind at all and then measured over the course of four months, based, at least in part on their own subjective interpretation of how they felt.

    Since there was no control group and this was not repeated we have zero evidence that the patients actually improved overall and that it was not a temporary thing attributable to the placebo effect, seasonal variation or both.

    I’ll wager that if you follow subjects for four months and test their T-lymphocyte levels, you’ll be able to find an increase regardless of what you do, as long as you do it during the right time of year. Why? Simple. These levels can be impacted by physical activity versus confinement and by psychology. They are known to have seasonal trends.

    Thus, if you want to make it look like your product is boosting T-lymphocyte levels, it’s pretty easy to do. Just do a so-called study with no controls starting around February and follow the levels through to May (in the Northern hemisphere) Watch people the levels go up as people go outside more and more, get more activity and feel happier with more sunlight.

    For example, see here:
    http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a902751589&db=all

    The levels tend to go up in the summer and down in the winter.

    Because of these individual variables, any half descent study is going to have controls, so you can actually know what is causing the change.

    This is not only a bad study, it’s a lesson in everything you should never do in a scientific study. It’s totally bunk!


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    Biff Henderson Says:

            Chase said:

    Journal of the Science of Healing Outcomes

    Silver Sol technology was used in this study. To learn more go to http://www.supernaturalsilver.com

    Human AIDS Preliminary Study: 40% Increase in T-Cell Count.

    http://www.supernaturalsilver.com/images/CNBC%20ABL%27s%20HIV%20Study%20Press%20Release.pdf

    Word of advice:

    This is just not the place to try to sell your product, dude! You’ll find nothing but scrutiny here and any error in the study or data will be swarmed over. You’ve entered a site which is frequented by skeptic types and anti-quack/fraud activists. It’s just not a good venue for this.

    Find a place where people are more gullible.


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    JohnnySeesIt Says:

    It’s a bioweapon alright! It probably just didn’t work as well as they had hoped it would. It still works pretty well, or bad, depending on whose side you are on.

    You really will stand there and say aids is no big deal? Not so deadly? Not easy to transmit? Millions die and suffer from it.

    Probably it just turned out it did not reduce the population because it was not as good as they hoped. It doesn’t matter. First one was a dud, but they will do better as they work on ways of killing the unwanted and keeping us all sick. Next time you see a plane check it out and look to see if it makes a plume more than it should. 9 tims out of ten these days it is spraying **** into our lungs.

    AIDS was biowar 1.0. Chemtrails are biowar 2.0 Ever heard of HAARP or the fema camps being built around the world? Did you know obama was chosen by the bush family and other powerful members of the ruling elite? Did you know there are already plans for a moon colony to command the weapons of final destruction from?


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    Anonymous Says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPE2CnThito

    The same government that “didn’t” create the AIDS virus “won’t” use this to create super viruses.


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    Matthew Says:

            Anonymous said:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPE2CnThito

    The same government that “didn’t” create the AIDS virus “won’t” use this to create super viruses.

    Given that the set of gov’ts that didn’t create HIV is all of them, I think you may be somewhat optimistic about human motivations and action sets when you say that no gov’t will ever try to use this technique as part of a bioweapons program..


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    Frank Says:

    Yes, HIV is a bad biological weapon, but it was a failed early recombinant experiment that escaped the laboratory. A better example is a deadly virus that shares glycoproteins with HIV like Ebola, but was cloned with a different strain of the same virus.


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    Frank Waszut Says:

    In order to understand this theory one must first understand the purpose of government. The purpose of a government is controlling the population. Western Democratic societies view their governments as necessary for protecting their freedoms but yet being controlled is the antithesis to the concept of freedom. Plato stated it best as saying, “The only type of freedom in Democracy is Anarchy.” This obviously wouldn’t sit well with the government just as much as an expanding populace that is constantly reproducing with the possibility of more individuals coming into existence with this realization. Critical thought is curtailed by fear as it makes one to seek the comfort of ignorance which makes them more gullible established institutions of authority to tell them how to live their lives. If you could make people afraid of critical though and reproduction then that would be the Holy Grail of authoritarian power. Now llet’s think about the time period AIDS came about. The 70′and 80″s. People were having sex about as fast as they were shooting blow up their noses and shooting up in your nearest disco club. This was also after the baby boom and sexual revolution. this meant a massive population boom which needed to be curtailed in order to keep resources from being depleted. Along comes AIDS which definitely makes people very fearful of intravenous drug use and exploring their sexuality beyond pre-established social paradigms. I mean if you want to keep your population in line the AIDS would be the PERFECT biological weapon. My two cents.


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    Shafe Says:

            Frank Waszut said:

    In order to understand this theory one must first understand the purpose of government. The purpose of a government is controlling the population. Western Democratic societies view their governments as necessary for protecting their freedoms but yet being controlled is the antithesis to the concept of freedom. Plato stated it best as saying, “The only type of freedom in Democracy is Anarchy.”

    In the absense of a government, your anarchic paradise lasts only as long as it takes warlords to set up new mini-dictatorships, or until a foreign power decides to annex your undefended land.

    In western democracies, governments exist by the consent of the People, recognizing that there must be a common body of statutes and a means for defense if the society is to survive. If you believe (and you have reason to) that governments are out of control, it would be more fruitful to argue for appropriate limits on governments rather than their abolition, which will only invite something worse.


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    BMS Says:

            Shafe said:

    In the absense of a government, your anarchic paradise lasts only as long as it takes warlords to set up new mini-dictatorships, or until a foreign power decides to annex your undefended land.

    How do you know that this guy isn’t just a warlord wannabe — like something straight out of Mad Max?


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    Shafe Says:

            BMS said:

    How do you know that this guy isn’t just a warlord wannabe — like something straight out of Mad Max?

    I was going to observe that, yes, anarchy would be quite attractive to those willing and able to extract by force what they want from those who cannot defend what they produce, but that seems to also apply equally well to the welfare state.


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    Matthew Says:

            Shafe said:

    I was going to observe that, yes, anarchy would be quite attractive to those willing and able to extract by force what they want from those who cannot defend what they produce, but that seems to also apply equally well to the welfare state.

    As with anything else, the dose makes the poison. One needs gov’t for 5 things:

    -National Defense
    -800lbs gorilla to enforce contract (“No Mr. Wal-Mart, you can’t just up and decide to ignore your contract with Mr. Small Supplier”)
    -Public Health (one needs coercive power to enforce quarantines and such)
    -Standard setting and enforcement (it doesn’t matter if we drive on the left or on the right, as long as we pick one and stick with it)
    -Arguably large infrastructure projects (eg. the Panama Canal)

    Outside of that, gov’t tends to make things worse via clumsy, heavy handed, and often quite ignorant one-size-fits-all intervention.


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    Frank Waszut Says:

    Which means that human nature has evolved enough to truly be free which means we aren’t ready for freedom yet. Just the illusion of it.


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    BMS Says:

            Matthew said:

    As with anything else, the dose makes the poison. One needs gov’t for 5 things:

    -National Defense

    Yes. Provide for the common defense.

    -800lbs gorilla to enforce contract (“No Mr. Wal-Mart, you can’t just up and decide to ignore your contract with Mr. Small Supplier”)

    Yes. Establish Justice.

    (I’d say that keeping people from robbing and killing each other is also important.)

    -Public Health (one needs coercive power to enforce quarantines and such)

    Yes. Promote the general Welfare.

    -Standard setting and enforcement (it doesn’t matter if we drive on the left or on the right, as long as we pick one and stick with it)

    Yes. Insure domestic Tranquility.

    -Arguably large infrastructure projects (eg. the Panama Canal)

    Sadly, Carter foolishly gave the Panama Canal to Panama, so I suppose you could count infrastructure projects for other countries too. ;-)

    You forgot Item 6: Get the hell out of the way. This takes care of government’s responsibility to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.


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    Matthew Says:

            BMS said:

    You forgot Item 6: Get the hell out of the way. This takes care of government’s responsibility to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.

    Well, yes. The whole point of enumerated powers is “that which is not expressly permitted is utterly forbidden.”

    We need to treat our gov’ts the way the Soviets treated their citizens. Constrained and ever fearful.


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    Frank Waszut Says:

    Hasn’t evolved enough*….basically our government fears us and has to use the weapon of fear to keep us dependent on them


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