drbuzz0 said:

There were no nuclear bombs. It’s a ridiculous claim.

If there had been they would have had to be tiny or they would have blown the hell out of lower Manhattan. Even if they were tiny, there would be fallout detectable well above background levels. There wasn’t.

SNORT!! Of course there weren’t! I had to pick up my jaw from the floor the first time I saw it mentioned, I didn’t think it could get that idiotic. I just hoped to get a truther out of the woodwork to tell me about this most ridiculous idea of all. I wanted to hear how they came by it. And I left the apostrofs around ‘truth’ away so I wouldn’t shy them away. Oh well, I’ll have to find them where they are then. Off into crazy-crazy land.

        Twominds said:

I came here and read all of the comments in the hope that someone would tell me the truth about nuclear bombs being used to bring down the Towers. I’m not fanatic enough to look for it myself, so would any truther that support that theory please enlighten me?

There were no nuclear bombs. It’s a ridiculous claim. If there had been they would have had to be tiny or they would have blown the hell out of lower Manhattan. Even if they were tiny, there would be fallout detectable well above background levels. There wasn’t.

If the government has the ability to invade Iraq under the false statement of there being chemical weapons why can’t they just make a false statement about there being chemical weapons and invade them? Why do they need to be blowing up buildings on our soil. Why will they murder 3,000 some people in these buildings, but decided that the couple hundred on the planes must be saved and robotic planes used instead? Why wasn’t the 4th plane that crashed eliminated of passengers? After all if it were then they couldn’t have foiled the non-existent hijackers plot and force the plane to crash into the ground instead of another building?

I’m sure you’ll just say that only the towers required the extra explosives carried by the drone planes. But, I though the buildings were already rigged to blow and the planes were just a cover?

Wouldn’t it be even more scary if the buildings just blew up with the rigged explosives and no planes involved at all? That would scare the s*** out of me for sure. Then we get some video of a Mid eastern look guy who say he did it all and there was nothing we could do to stop him from doing it again while he laughs hysterically.

The missing gold had to be taken out of WTC 7 before the crashes. So, if the gold has already been stolen then… Gold doesn’t just disappear when you drop a bunch of concrete and steel on it, and it doesn’t evaporate into thin air during a fire. Destroying the building doesn’t actually cover up the missing gold. Neither does knocking down a building guarantee that documents get destroyed with it. Meaning to be 100% that all those critical SEC documents were destroyed you would have to destroy them first. Obviously the only logical way to cover up some shredded documents is to fly a planed into the building after first flying 2 planes into the 2 nearby building to cover up your coverup plane crash.

If someone is going to care enough about 800m to blow up 2 skyscrapers and murder 3,000 people then somebody else is going to raise hell when 400m in gold just disappears out of another building.

If heroin is such a lucrative business then why is Afghanistan still a s*** hole of a place to live. They should be living like the Saudi’s. Oh, right. the money is in the selling on the streets not the farming. So, there is no money in the farming, which is why we invade the farm land, to get the money that farming doesn’t have…

Supposedly the entire Polish government was assassinated when they wanted to stop Russia from building a pipeline to Germany. What exactly does the U.S. have to gain by getting in the way of Russia building a pipeline to India?

Sorry, I got a little carried away. I was having so much fun coming up with made up scenarios to fill in the gaps my made up scenarios left open. I hope that I have proven something because I wrote some sentences on the internet.

        BMS said:

Now, go watch the video. The link to one copy on YouTube has been posted above.

But seriously folks even if there is something hinky with the video (a point that has not been established) what does that prove? If the entire video was film on a hollywood set by Steve Jobs and one of Hitler’s clones it only means somebody faked a video. You don’t have motive for the fake video and you clear don’t have anything related to WTC.

In Tim’s world if he can ‘prove’ the video issue all the pieces than fall into place – that is not how it works. You need to prove all elements of the crime – not just some crazy motive.

        Timothy Dunlap said:

Yes, I saw the video that was shown on the evening of 9-11.

Ah … now it’s clear to me. You watched a news clip 11 years ago, then later, read a crazy rumor on the Internet and never bothered in all the years since to check whether it was true, even refusing to do something as simple as watch the video clip again.

That’s some crack research you’ve done there. You must be proud. Somehow I suspect that all of your other claims are equally as thoroughly researched.

Now, go watch the video. The link to one copy on YouTube has been posted above.

        Timothy Dunlap said:

BMS:

Oh, but I did do the math.

It’s a 7 hour difference in the time zones.

And Israel has daylight savings time, too, if that helps you find sunset.

And what I said was, the video was made in the “midday” sun.

The sun was directly overhead in the video.

Tim, just out of curiosity I did a quick video search to see if there was any shred of truth about a sun being directly overhead as the Palestinians celebrated in the streets.

Here’s a clip from MSNBC with Katie Couric reporting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMOZvbYJMvU

Clearly, that clip shows long shadows and a yellowish tone to the sunlight consistent with a late afternoon sun a few hours or less before sunset. In one pan of the camera you can even see the sun quite low near the horizon.

        Timothy Dunlap said:

BMS:

You want to quibble about what “low” means, as if the sun wasn’t low,

and at the same time you want to claim shadows as if it was low.

The sun was less than 3 hours away from sunset, low in the west (southwest but that’s not important) WHEN THE FIRST PLANE STRUCK THE FIRST TOWER. (Never mind giving the news media time to figure out it wasn’t an accident,

and giving the Israeli news crew time to find some Palestinians.)

(As for why they would do that, you won’t answer.)

Yes, I saw the video that was shown on the evening of 9-11.

I don’t know what video
you’re seeing now.

Or what direction the shadows you’re seeing are in.

Yes, I keep up with the time of sunset.

I simply told you that your “daylight savings time” references are not important, unless they confuse you about the time of sunset.

After Yitzhak Shamir’s Stern Gang’s attempted murder of President Truman, after Operation Susannah (Lavon Affair 1954,) and the attacks on the U.S.S. Liberty (1967,) and the C-4 bombing of the Cole in Yemen (in 2000,)

and since Bibi Netanyahu predicted the destruction of the WTC twin towers in 1995, I’d expect you to be a little skeptical of propaganda videos from Israel.

Tim,

What you seem incapable of understanding is that the burden of proof is on those who MAKE extraordinary claims. You want all of us to believe that Israel and the Neo Cons cooked up 9-11 to fight a war. So far all you have is a bunch of unrelated claims – many of which have been discredited quite easily by folks online here.

Frankly all your “evidence” makes me think of is a rather effective post 9-11 disinformation campaign by folks hostile to Israel. You need an actual document with good providence which shows the president worked with Israel to plan the attacks. You need a person who worked in the white house at the time and has no agenda to come forward and say – I heard the President planning the attacks. You have nothing but completely unrelated claims about CNN making up news stories (not shocking in the least) and videos which a bunch of non-experts don’t agree about. The supposed “movers” are nothing but a myth – show me the report filed by the FBI agents involved (use FOIA to get it).

In short you have nothing but a bunch of hot air and passion. That won’t get you anywhere.

You want to quibble about what “low” means, as if the sun wasn’t low, and at the same time you want to claim shadows as if it was low.

The sun was less than 3 hours away from sunset, low in the west (southwest but that’s not important) WHEN THE FIRST PLANE STRUCK THE FIRST TOWER. (Never mind giving the news media time to figure out it wasn’t an accident, and giving the Israeli news crew time to find some Palestinians.)

(As for why they would do that, you won’t answer.)

Yes, I saw the video that was shown on the evening of 9-11. I don’t know what video
you’re seeing now. Or what direction the shadows you’re seeing are in. Yes, I keep up with the time of sunset. I simply told you that your “daylight savings time” references are not important, unless they confuse you about the time of sunset.

After Yitzhak Shamir’s Stern Gang’s attempted murder of President Truman, after Operation Susannah (Lavon Affair 1954,) and the attacks on the U.S.S. Liberty (1967,) and the C-4 bombing of the Cole in Yemen (in 2000,) and since Bibi Netanyahu predicted the destruction of the WTC twin towers in 1995, I’d expect you to be a little skeptical of propaganda videos from Israel.

        Timothy Dunlap said:

You got caught fudging the facts, period. It’s a seven hour time difference. Not six. It’s nearly four o’clock. Not three. … You don’t get to move the sun by saying it was daylight savings time.

Tim – You’re an idiot. Sorry, but there is simply no other way to put it. And since you’re too stupid to understand how daylight savings time works, I’ll express everything from here on out in daylight savings time, since taxing your tiny brain yields nothing but more nonsense from you. The North Tower was struck at 3:46 in the afternoon Palestinian time.

And your reference to daylight savings time didn’t change anything. In case you had confused yourself, I tried to explain to you, you need to look at the time of sunset, to see how low in the sky the sun would be just before 4 PM. … It was still less than 3 hours to sunset.

I need to look? Why don’t you just tell me what the time of sunset was and how low in the sky the sun was at that time. Don’t you know?

Since you’re obviously too incompetent of a conspiracy theorist to have that information handy, I’ll tell you. This information is almost trivial to find out.

On September 11, 2001, the sun set at 6:50 pm. The sun was at its highest at 12:36 pm. Thus, when the first tower was struck, at 3:46 pm local time, 3 hours and 10 minutes had elapsed since the sun was at its highest and 3 hours and 4 minutes remained until sunset. In terms of time, the sun was roughly half the way to going down.

In terms of elevation, however, the sun was still at 38 degrees above the horizon. The highest it ever got that day was 63 degrees. The sun was not “low in the west,” as you have claimed; in fact, it was still pretty darn high, at about 60% of its highest elevation that day.

How do we know the sun is directly overhead? Well, by shadows.

Geez, have you ever looked at the videos?!! I can only assume that you have not. In one shot, you can clearly see the shadow of the cameraman, which was cast on the vehicle he was filming, because the sun was at his back. Other shots show people in the shadows of the buildings that they are standing next to. These videos were clearly shot sometime in the mid-afternoon, which is entirely consistent with what actually happened.