drbuzz0 said:

I’ll have you know fluoride is different. That’s an unholy plan by the Soviet Union. They wanted to pollute our very bodies and taint the purity of our precious bodily fluids. AND I CAN’T LET THEM KEEP DOING IT! That’s why I only drink pure distilled alcohol and rainwater! ARE YOU LISTENING MANDRAKE?!?!?!

Should have used the <sarcasm> tag or people might believe you.

Some people seem to have trouble telling the difference between proposals and reality.

        Andrew said:

There are so many things that are not only wrong with your statement, but ill conceived and thoughtless, firstly

“If you wanted to dose the public, you would not do it from a high altitude because most of the material would be scattered and diluted and very little would reach population centers on the ground.”

- The easiest way to dose a population is to do it in many forms of compulsory day to day activities, namely, eating, breathing, drinking, and bathing just to name a few. If the material is scattered it means that the food, water and air ingested are all contaminated with chemicals. The purpose of the chemical is not to be instantaneous, if that was the plan there would either be a compulsory administered dose from the local doctor or general practitioner, that is done in schools all the time. It would be more obvious that it was occurring if all of a sudden compulsory medications were offered and observable side effects were being seen.

Okay, you’re not getting this. Every time a population has been dosed by chemicals in the air (as is done in chemical warfare and was done in World War I and in Iraq and Iran in the 1980’s and 1990’s, and as was tested by many countries) it was NEVER done by high altitude spraying. Too inefficient. Chemicals disperse too much. No, it’s done at ground level by shells or bomblets that spread out and spray chemicals in little low-level clouds.

No, if you wanted to dose people then there are better ways of doing it. Probably the food supply would be best or maybe the water supply or just ground level spraying if you wanted to take that route. High altitude aircraft are a horrible way to do it.

I’ll have you know fluoride is different. That’s an unholy plan by the Soviet Union. They wanted to pollute our very bodies and taint the purity of our precious bodily fluids. AND I CAN’T LET THEM KEEP DOING IT! That’s why I only drink pure distilled alcohol and rainwater! ARE YOU LISTENING MANDRAKE?!?!?!

I’m not sure what you’re getting at. If you’re saying that cloud seeding only lasts a short time and is of questionable effectiveness, then I agree. There has always been debate over whether cloud seeding produced enough effect to be worth the effort.

Okay, first thing to know about government loyalty is that it has none. The government is not monolithic and does not move in one unified direction. It’s composed of politicians whose loyalty is always to their own reelection and various departments and agencies which are generally all trying to get more money for themselves. It’s a patchwork of regulations and laws and the leadership keeps changing. It never moves in unison which is why it is so bad at most things it does.

AS for the images, some might be from government sources but many are not. There are no shortage of eyewittnesses who served in World War II or many other theaters and saw contrails. I see them all the damn time, for one.

I’m sure you do.

If that’s the case, why don’t you tell us a little bit about the problem of compressibility that occurs at transonic speeds and how control surfaces are designed to deal with this issue.

Sure, spraying various stuff at high altitudes has been looked at for various pie-in-the-sky plans for geoengineering or other stuff. What the hell does that have to do with anything? They’ve also considered a “space elevator” but never actually built one. The military once had a proposal for a bomb that would make enemy soldiers gay and horny.

        drbuzz0 said:

You’re making a lot of assumptions here.

First is that I’m saying chemtrails are not real because I trust the government.

That has nothing to do with it.

I understand the science and it’s pretty basic.

If you wanted to dose the public, you would not do it from a high altitude because most of the material would be scattered and diluted and very little would reach population centers on the ground.

These are contrails.

It’s no surprise to me because I have a basic understanding of how contrails happen. It’s simply moisture in the exhaust or the atmosphere forming tiny droplets.

These photos (and numerous others) are not government-issued. Some may have been taken by the US military. Others were taken by individuals, news organizations, other governments etc.

This is not a new phenomena. Contrails exactly like those we see today have existed centuries. Even before aviation, meteorites and artillery shells were known to produce contrails.

They were a very common sight when high altitude flights became common during world war II.

You also assume that because the government has done some secret or even dishonorable things that all accusations must therefore be true.

This is not the case. Claims need to be first considered for at least whether they are plausible.

There are so many things that are not only wrong with your statement, but ill conceived and thoughtless, firstly

“If you wanted to dose the public, you would not do it from a high altitude because most of the material would be scattered and diluted and very little would reach population centers on the ground.”

- The easiest way to dose a population is to do it in many forms of compulsory day to day activities, namely, eating, breathing, drinking, and bathing just to name a few. If the material is scattered it means that the food, water and air ingested are all contaminated with chemicals. The purpose of the chemical is not to be instantaneous, if that was the plan there would either be a compulsory administered dose from the local doctor or general practitioner, that is done in schools all the time. It would be more obvious that it was occurring if all of a sudden compulsory medications were offered and observable side effects were being seen. Much like the whole fluoride in water debacle, if there is no immediate observable side-effect, people choose not to believe it is happening. The chemicals are also much more dense than the water vapour that you describe as ‘tiny droplets’. Many people blur the line between cloud seeding and contrails, however, lateral spreading of trails, whatever they may be of, requires extremely dense particulates to latch onto the moisture in the air. That is a simple fact. Anyone with an understanding of thermodynamics and newton’s law of cooling knows that ‘the system’ in this case the atmosphere ‘returns to equilibrium in an exponentially decaying fashion’, i.e. the closer it comes to its original state the longer it takes. Although, the atmosphere is so expansive that little time is required as there is little change from its original state. When particulates latch onto moisture in the air, there is a negligible ‘heating/cooling’ process, there is however a chemical process in which the substance (usually barium, strontium or aluminium nitrates/sulphates) combine with the oxygenated air to form a metal oxide of some form. Its the same basic principle as ozone depletion via chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) where free chlorine radicals replace oxygen atoms in the atmosphere, turning ozone (O3) into O2.

There are also inconsistencies in your statement about loyalty to the government. The whole purpose of exposing chemtrails is that it has not been admitted to by the government. So why in the world would you expect to find any “government-issued” images of chemtrails, of course they aren’t going to be issuing images of chemtrails.

“These are contrails. It’s no surprise to me because I have a basic understanding of how contrails happen. It’s simply moisture in the exhaust or the atmosphere forming tiny droplets.”

I too have more than just a basic understanding of contrails occur. I’m finishing my double PHD in aeronautical engineering/environmental science at the University of Sydney. If you think that chemtrails are not being used, think again. Not only do I know for a fact that chemtrails are being used, I have 15 years worth of water and soil samples to prove it. At the Earth Summit of 1991 it was agreed upon for pacific nations that “environmental precautions needed to be implemented to stop the ever-increasing threat of global warming.” What better way to stop global warming than to use particulates that reflect a vast spectra of light and heat radiation.

“You also assume that because the government has done some secret or even dishonorable things that all accusations must therefore be true. This is not the case. Claims need to be first considered for at least whether they are plausible.”

Not only are chemtrails plausible, they have been discussed by the EPA in the United States under “environmental engineering”, “sustainable resource management” and various other ambiguous names. It takes days to do something by force but it takes a lifetime to do something by stealth.

        Jabba The Hut said:

conspiracy.. BULL****!
if somebody really believes what your gorverment says. well.. what happened to the WTC 7??? have they finished the investigation on that? NO and they never will..

by the way “u never bombed cambodia or laos during vietnam war” untill somebody demanded the truth to be revealed and yep u did bomb those countries illegally 8 ****ing years and people there r still dying cause of those not explosed yet.. your goverment told u and everybody else that u did’nt do that..

do u want know more about your rotten goverment??

just goooooooooogle if u can

peace to u all

You’re making a lot of assumptions here. First is that I’m saying chemtrails are not real because I trust the government. That has nothing to do with it. I understand the science and it’s pretty basic. If you wanted to dose the public, you would not do it from a high altitude because most of the material would be scattered and diluted and very little would reach population centers on the ground.

These are contrails. It’s no surprise to me because I have a basic understanding of how contrails happen. It’s simply moisture in the exhaust or the atmosphere forming tiny droplets.

These photos (and numerous others) are not government-issued. Some may have been taken by the US military. Others were taken by individuals, news organizations, other governments etc. This is not a new phenomena. Contrails exactly like those we see today have existed centuries. Even before aviation, meteorites and artillery shells were known to produce contrails. They were a very common sight when high altitude flights became common during world war II.

You also assume that because the government has done some secret or even dishonorable things that all accusations must therefore be true. This is not the case. Claims need to be first considered for at least whether they are plausible.

        Anon said:

Is it just me or are there is a high correlation between being a nutcase and being completely unable to spell “you”?

Your not alone in coming to that conclusion. Its gotten to the point where I now consider it to be a litmus test for nutbars.

by the way “u never bombed cambodia or laos during vietnam war” untill somebody demanded the truth to be revealed and yep u did bomb those countries illegally 8 ****ing years and people there r still dying cause of those not explosed yet.. your goverment told u and everybody else that u did’nt do that..

do u want know more about your rotten goverment??

just goooooooooogle if u can

peace to u all