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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
		<link>http://depletedcranium.com/the-apollo-11-fiber-optic-lie-that-wasnt/comment-page-1/#comment-22598</link>
		<dc:creator>drbuzz0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;22596&quot;]I have written a book about the TV cameras used for Apollo. It covers the history behind them and includes interviews from several key players, including the late Stan Lebar.

The claims of the hoax crowd seriously get lamer and lamer by the day. The latest &quot;fraud&quot; claim I had was that I manipulated the Apollo 16 jump salute video, because I supplied a hoaxer a 1st gen copy of it. He was adament that as the file he used was 320 pixels high, his was a true representation of the 200 line RCA camera. Someone had told him that he was using a downscaled version of the same footage I did.

I kid you not.[/quote]

Thanks for stopping by.   As I&#039;m sure you&#039;re aware (but I&#039;m saying this primarily for others), the resolution of a digital video clip is not directly comparable to the scan lines of an analog television recording.  The analog scan lines are not perfectly straight across, they do not have a fixed horizontal resolution and there are differences in how temporal resolution factors in.

The best version of the video would be the highest resolution copy of the original recording.   Given it was scan converted, it probably would be the first generation NTSC video tape or kinescope recording.  There is some loss to that.   NTSC standards, incidentally, are for 525 scan lines.  Of these, 486 of them (Broken into two fields) contain raster image information and the remaining ones are beam return or over-scan.   

The Apollo J-series video would complicate things a bit more because of the field-sequential color involved.   

In any case, the best is always going to be the earliest generation copy at the highest resolution of the recording.

In digital terms, NTSC video is often represented as being 640x480 for general purpose 4:3 stuff and 720x480 for wider format - also the standard for the DV codec, which has been one of the longest used professional digital encodings.   It&#039;s a pretty close approximation of the analog reqolution equivalent, but not perfect.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/the-apollo-11-fiber-optic-lie-that-wasnt/#comment-22596"><b>Dwight said:</b></a></p>
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I have written a book about the TV cameras used for Apollo. It covers the history behind them and includes interviews from several key players, including the late Stan Lebar.</p>
<p>The claims of the hoax crowd seriously get lamer and lamer by the day. The latest &#8220;fraud&#8221; claim I had was that I manipulated the Apollo 16 jump salute video, because I supplied a hoaxer a 1st gen copy of it. He was adament that as the file he used was 320 pixels high, his was a true representation of the 200 line RCA camera. Someone had told him that he was using a downscaled version of the same footage I did.</p>
<p>I kid you not.</p>
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<p>Thanks for stopping by.   As I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re aware (but I&#8217;m saying this primarily for others), the resolution of a digital video clip is not directly comparable to the scan lines of an analog television recording.  The analog scan lines are not perfectly straight across, they do not have a fixed horizontal resolution and there are differences in how temporal resolution factors in.</p>
<p>The best version of the video would be the highest resolution copy of the original recording.   Given it was scan converted, it probably would be the first generation NTSC video tape or kinescope recording.  There is some loss to that.   NTSC standards, incidentally, are for 525 scan lines.  Of these, 486 of them (Broken into two fields) contain raster image information and the remaining ones are beam return or over-scan.   </p>
<p>The Apollo J-series video would complicate things a bit more because of the field-sequential color involved.   </p>
<p>In any case, the best is always going to be the earliest generation copy at the highest resolution of the recording.</p>
<p>In digital terms, NTSC video is often represented as being 640&#215;480 for general purpose 4:3 stuff and 720&#215;480 for wider format &#8211; also the standard for the DV codec, which has been one of the longest used professional digital encodings.   It&#8217;s a pretty close approximation of the analog reqolution equivalent, but not perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have written a book about the TV cameras used for Apollo. It covers the history behind them and includes interviews from several key players, including the late Stan Lebar. 

The claims of the hoax crowd seriously get lamer and lamer by the day. The latest &quot;fraud&quot; claim I had was that I manipulated the Apollo 16 jump salute video, because I supplied a hoaxer a 1st gen copy of it. He was adament that as the file he used was 320 pixels high, his was a true representation of the 200 line RCA camera. Someone had told him that he was using a downscaled version of the same footage I did.

I kid you not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have written a book about the TV cameras used for Apollo. It covers the history behind them and includes interviews from several key players, including the late Stan Lebar. </p>
<p>The claims of the hoax crowd seriously get lamer and lamer by the day. The latest &#8220;fraud&#8221; claim I had was that I manipulated the Apollo 16 jump salute video, because I supplied a hoaxer a 1st gen copy of it. He was adament that as the file he used was 320 pixels high, his was a true representation of the 200 line RCA camera. Someone had told him that he was using a downscaled version of the same footage I did.</p>
<p>I kid you not.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It goes to show how much effort and development went into the Apollo program.  This is fascinating stuff, because they actually created a camera with better dynamic range and gain that existing cameras and at the same time made it so small.  Just making it that small alone was an achievement, even if it were not any better than studio cameras of the day.

It&#039;s easy to forget it now, because since the invention of the CCD it has become easy to make video cameras that are tiny, in some cases smaller than a sugar cube, but before that, they needed a scanning electron tube in them and to get descent quality it normally had to be quite large.  Add to this the fact that the tube needed high voltage and the circuitry needed low voltage and the need for a sync and sweep.  You had to have a HV transformer, a rectifier, oscillators.   The TV cameras of the day weighed a good couple hundred pounds at least.  Forget about color tv cameras, by the way.  Those were really three TV cameras with combined optics, so multiply this all by three.

Before the mid-1970&#039;s, portable cameras just about didn&#039;t exist.  When an event was to be broadcast live, they needed to have hydraulic lifts and motorized carts to move the cameras off the tv truck.  They were beasts.   Most on-scene tv coverage was not live and they didn&#039;t even bother with tv cameras, they used motion picture cameras and then developed the film and telecined it video.

All this effort put into a crowing technical achievement and all these bastards can do is pick through it and find something that they don&#039;t understand so they can take a dump on it.   Wouldn&#039;t it be nice if they actually bothered to research it out a bit.   Of course if they did, it would destroy their little pet hoax theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It goes to show how much effort and development went into the Apollo program.  This is fascinating stuff, because they actually created a camera with better dynamic range and gain that existing cameras and at the same time made it so small.  Just making it that small alone was an achievement, even if it were not any better than studio cameras of the day.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to forget it now, because since the invention of the CCD it has become easy to make video cameras that are tiny, in some cases smaller than a sugar cube, but before that, they needed a scanning electron tube in them and to get descent quality it normally had to be quite large.  Add to this the fact that the tube needed high voltage and the circuitry needed low voltage and the need for a sync and sweep.  You had to have a HV transformer, a rectifier, oscillators.   The TV cameras of the day weighed a good couple hundred pounds at least.  Forget about color tv cameras, by the way.  Those were really three TV cameras with combined optics, so multiply this all by three.</p>
<p>Before the mid-1970&#8217;s, portable cameras just about didn&#8217;t exist.  When an event was to be broadcast live, they needed to have hydraulic lifts and motorized carts to move the cameras off the tv truck.  They were beasts.   Most on-scene tv coverage was not live and they didn&#8217;t even bother with tv cameras, they used motion picture cameras and then developed the film and telecined it video.</p>
<p>All this effort put into a crowing technical achievement and all these bastards can do is pick through it and find something that they don&#8217;t understand so they can take a dump on it.   Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if they actually bothered to research it out a bit.   Of course if they did, it would destroy their little pet hoax theory.</p>
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		<title>By: DV82XL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DV82XL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SPVM cyber-crime can be contacted at 514 393-1133, La Sûreté du Québec at 514 598-4141.

Sûreté however is likely going to ask you to file a complaint with SPVM because of jurisdictional issues, and SPVM is going to insist that you report it to your local cyber-crime unit first, or at least this is what I gather.</description>
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<p>Sûreté however is likely going to ask you to file a complaint with SPVM because of jurisdictional issues, and SPVM is going to insist that you report it to your local cyber-crime unit first, or at least this is what I gather.</p>
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		<title>By: Q</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really follow the logic of the claim being made.   They say &quot;you should be skeptical&quot; that a camera from 1966 would be classified and have fiberoptics?   Why?   If it had something advanced, it probably would be classified.  And what does it matter that it says this?   If nothing else, it proves Westinghouse went to a lot of trouble to build a specialized television camera.  They wouldn&#039;t need to if it were to be filmed in a studio.

Also, it&#039;s apparently NOT classified anymore, as there&#039;s plenty of information on it.

The only &quot;Lie&quot; that you could make any case for at all is that NASA said the camera was made from off the shelf, public components.   True, they were off the shelf, but not all the parts were &quot;public&quot; at the time.  I don&#039;t know if you can even call that a lie though, because it sounds like they never really told anyone who didn&#039;t need to know the status of the classified components, so the PR department at NASA, which would have made any statements on it, they probably didn&#039;t even know there was anything in the camera that was classified in any way.

I just don&#039;t see what this has to do with anything.   Can anyone please explain the logic here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really follow the logic of the claim being made.   They say &#8220;you should be skeptical&#8221; that a camera from 1966 would be classified and have fiberoptics?   Why?   If it had something advanced, it probably would be classified.  And what does it matter that it says this?   If nothing else, it proves Westinghouse went to a lot of trouble to build a specialized television camera.  They wouldn&#8217;t need to if it were to be filmed in a studio.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s apparently NOT classified anymore, as there&#8217;s plenty of information on it.</p>
<p>The only &#8220;Lie&#8221; that you could make any case for at all is that NASA said the camera was made from off the shelf, public components.   True, they were off the shelf, but not all the parts were &#8220;public&#8221; at the time.  I don&#8217;t know if you can even call that a lie though, because it sounds like they never really told anyone who didn&#8217;t need to know the status of the classified components, so the PR department at NASA, which would have made any statements on it, they probably didn&#8217;t even know there was anything in the camera that was classified in any way.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t see what this has to do with anything.   Can anyone please explain the logic here?</p>
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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
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		<dc:creator>drbuzz0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;20606&quot;]It goes without saying that if you need any help interfacing with La Sûreté du Québec, or the SPVM (Montreal police) over this, you can get in touch with me at any time.[/quote]


Yeah, I&#039;m not sure what department I should contact.   I&#039;m honestly not the type normally to try to go to the authorities or make trouble where there&#039;s just a lot of hot air blowing around.  I have seen what this guy has sent to others and I&#039;ve gotten email from him.  Some are not so veiled.  &quot;God has commanded me to kill you and the police can&#039;t help you&quot; is one he sent to PZ Meyers.

What concerns me is that this guy is so out of his mind and seems to be getting worse, he may go to some event and who knows what he&#039;s liable to do.   There are various speaking events, lectures series and other things that happen all over the place from time to time, sometimes hosted by a university or a local group.  People like Michael Shermer, James Randi, PZ Meyers and so on are frequently at public events and if there were one where he was, the worry is what he might be tempted to do.  

I should add that the reason for concern is that there have been some close calls before, as there had been some very disturbed people who were upset about views on psychics turned away from a skeptic confrence a few years ago by security (I don&#039;t know the details, but apparently they were violently off their rocker) and a year ago, an author of a book refuting religion was attacked in Tornoto and received minor injuries before others came to his aid and the attackers ran away.  They apparently were screaming prayers and trying to get the devil out of him.

This guy strikes me as such a complete nut that if something isn&#039;t done to keep him under control he&#039;s liable to pull that kind of shit if he crosses paths with something he finds objectionable.

&lt;strong&gt;By the way:  Hence forth, lets us resume the topic of the lunar television camera, the Apollo mission and the wacky conspiracy and hoax theorists&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/the-apollo-11-fiber-optic-lie-that-wasnt/#comment-20606"><b>DV82XL said:</b></a></p>
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It goes without saying that if you need any help interfacing with La Sûreté du Québec, or the SPVM (Montreal police) over this, you can get in touch with me at any time.</p>
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<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m not sure what department I should contact.   I&#8217;m honestly not the type normally to try to go to the authorities or make trouble where there&#8217;s just a lot of hot air blowing around.  I have seen what this guy has sent to others and I&#8217;ve gotten email from him.  Some are not so veiled.  &#8220;God has commanded me to kill you and the police can&#8217;t help you&#8221; is one he sent to PZ Meyers.</p>
<p>What concerns me is that this guy is so out of his mind and seems to be getting worse, he may go to some event and who knows what he&#8217;s liable to do.   There are various speaking events, lectures series and other things that happen all over the place from time to time, sometimes hosted by a university or a local group.  People like Michael Shermer, James Randi, PZ Meyers and so on are frequently at public events and if there were one where he was, the worry is what he might be tempted to do.  </p>
<p>I should add that the reason for concern is that there have been some close calls before, as there had been some very disturbed people who were upset about views on psychics turned away from a skeptic confrence a few years ago by security (I don&#8217;t know the details, but apparently they were violently off their rocker) and a year ago, an author of a book refuting religion was attacked in Tornoto and received minor injuries before others came to his aid and the attackers ran away.  They apparently were screaming prayers and trying to get the devil out of him.</p>
<p>This guy strikes me as such a complete nut that if something isn&#8217;t done to keep him under control he&#8217;s liable to pull that kind of **** if he crosses paths with something he finds objectionable.</p>
<p><strong>By the way:  Hence forth, lets us resume the topic of the lunar television camera, the Apollo mission and the wacky conspiracy and hoax theorists</strong></p>
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		<title>By: DV82XL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DV82XL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It goes without saying that if you need any help interfacing with La Sûreté du Québec, or the SPVM (Montreal police) over this, you can get in touch with me at any time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It goes without saying that if you need any help interfacing with La Sûreté du Québec, or the SPVM (Montreal police) over this, you can get in touch with me at any time.</p>
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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
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		<dc:creator>drbuzz0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason I am keeping the above comments approved and posted is so that they can be seen and verified as being posted here when I contact the Montreal and Quebec Providential Police departments.  I hope everyone understands.   I&#039;m not deleting it so that it can be kept up as it is to be seen as evidence.

The postings are from a person who is very disturbed and mentally ill.  Also, he appears to not be very intelligent.    He is believed to be afflicted with a narcissistic personality.   His threats and psychotic actions have been brought to the attention of the authorities before, and I&#039;m hoping that if I report them it will just make it clear how disturbed this person is.  If the police get enough individual reports against someone, they&#039;re likely to eventually realize that action needs to be taken.  

This person probably needs to be declared functionally insane and incapable of understanding reality to the degree necessary to live freely in society.  


The mentally ill idiot&#039;s name is Dennis Markuze (AKA David Mabus) of Montreal, Quebeck.   He has gone through a number of ISP&#039;s due to his extreme and violent delusions and the trouble he has caused due to them.   He&#039;s a failed used computer salesman who at one time or another was responsible for reselling off-lease monitors.  He may still be.

http://theatheistmind.info/2009/09/18/update-on-dennis-markuze/

This site has some of the addresses and phone numbers he has used:
http://whois.domaintools.com/usedmonitorshop.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason I am keeping the above comments approved and posted is so that they can be seen and verified as being posted here when I contact the Montreal and Quebec Providential Police departments.  I hope everyone understands.   I&#8217;m not deleting it so that it can be kept up as it is to be seen as evidence.</p>
<p>The postings are from a person who is very disturbed and mentally ill.  Also, he appears to not be very intelligent.    He is believed to be afflicted with a narcissistic personality.   His threats and psychotic actions have been brought to the attention of the authorities before, and I&#8217;m hoping that if I report them it will just make it clear how disturbed this person is.  If the police get enough individual reports against someone, they&#8217;re likely to eventually realize that action needs to be taken.  </p>
<p>This person probably needs to be declared functionally insane and incapable of understanding reality to the degree necessary to live freely in society.  </p>
<p>The mentally ill idiot&#8217;s name is Dennis Markuze (AKA David Mabus) of Montreal, Quebeck.   He has gone through a number of ISP&#8217;s due to his extreme and violent delusions and the trouble he has caused due to them.   He&#8217;s a failed used computer salesman who at one time or another was responsible for reselling off-lease monitors.  He may still be.</p>
<p><a href="http://theatheistmind.info/2009/09/18/update-on-dennis-markuze/" rel="nofollow">http://theatheistmind.info/2009/09/18/update-on-dennis-markuze/</a></p>
<p>This site has some of the addresses and phone numbers he has used:<br />
<a href="http://whois.domaintools.com/usedmonitorshop.com" rel="nofollow">http://whois.domaintools.com/usedmonitorshop.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: atheismisdead</title>
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		<dc:creator>atheismisdead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.unfacts.org/factsforum/viewtopic.php?p=25533&amp;sid=084c3587e732bed1bbb96bf6b18ee916


SUPERNATURAL FORCES WILL ANNIHILATE YOU...


your commentary on NOSTRADAMUS will cost you your LIFE...</description>
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<p>SUPERNATURAL FORCES WILL ANNIHILATE YOU&#8230;</p>
<p>your commentary on NOSTRADAMUS will cost you your LIFE&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: drbuzzoisdead</title>
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		<dc:creator>drbuzzoisdead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>drbuzzo 

you&#039;re a DEAD MAN....

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/conspiracy-theories/49602-atheism-dead.html</description>
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<p>you&#8217;re a DEAD MAN&#8230;.</p>
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