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		<title>By: Chem Geek Gregor</title>
		<link>http://depletedcranium.com/possibly-the-worst-scientific-study-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-10006</link>
		<dc:creator>Chem Geek Gregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homeopathy is all about ignorance and missrepresentation.   it&#039;s said to be a concept that is traditional and thousands of years old.  It&#039;s said to be natural-based.  It&#039;s said to &#039;treat the whole patient&#039;

All of this is blatantly false and just obscures the simple facts about it and that it&#039;s all based on diluting agents to the point of having a small chance that even one molecule remains.   It&#039;s a concept so stupid even at face value it reaks of scam and idiocy.   This is why they try so hard to avoid that one core fact.</description>
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<p>All of this is blatantly false and just obscures the simple facts about it and that it&#8217;s all based on diluting agents to the point of having a small chance that even one molecule remains.   It&#8217;s a concept so stupid even at face value it reaks of scam and idiocy.   This is why they try so hard to avoid that one core fact.</p>
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		<title>By: DV82XL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DV82XL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;9896&quot;]Yes, NHS recognizes and covers homeopathy and every time it is called into question the homeopathy lobby claims discrimination and that they are trying to help patients while mainstream doctors are trying to keep people bound to their medicine for money while denying them &quot;complimentary&quot; treatments.[/quote]

Yet you can&#039;t get a dentist in the U.K. according to some posters on a previous thread?</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/possibly-the-worst-scientific-study-ever/#comment-9896"><b>RBR1978 said:</b></a></p>
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Yes, NHS recognizes and covers homeopathy and every time it is called into question the homeopathy lobby claims discrimination and that they are trying to help patients while mainstream doctors are trying to keep people bound to their medicine for money while denying them &#8220;complimentary&#8221; treatments.</p>
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<p>Yet you can&#8217;t get a dentist in the U.K. according to some posters on a previous thread?</p>
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		<title>By: RBR1978</title>
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		<dc:creator>RBR1978</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;9890&quot;]There are NHS homeopathic hospitals?  God damnit!  No wonder the public finances are in such a mess.[/quote]

Yes, NHS recognizes and covers homeopathy and every time it is called into question the homeopathy lobby claims discrimination and that they are trying to help patients while mainstream doctors are trying to keep people bound to their medicine for money while denying them &quot;complimentary&quot; treatments.

They get a lot of sympathy.

It is a national disgrace, if you ask me.   NHS does not necessarily treat a homeopathic hospital any different than any other kind.   A long term care rehabilitation hospital, a mental health hospital, a neurological hospital, a cancer hospital or a homeopathic hospital.   As far as NHS is concerned they are all equally valid varieties of care institutions.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/possibly-the-worst-scientific-study-ever/#comment-9890"><b>Josh said:</b></a></p>
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There are NHS homeopathic hospitals?  God damnit!  No wonder the public finances are in such a mess.</p>
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<p>Yes, NHS recognizes and covers homeopathy and every time it is called into question the homeopathy lobby claims discrimination and that they are trying to help patients while mainstream doctors are trying to keep people bound to their medicine for money while denying them &#8220;complimentary&#8221; treatments.</p>
<p>They get a lot of sympathy.</p>
<p>It is a national disgrace, if you ask me.   NHS does not necessarily treat a homeopathic hospital any different than any other kind.   A long term care rehabilitation hospital, a mental health hospital, a neurological hospital, a cancer hospital or a homeopathic hospital.   As far as NHS is concerned they are all equally valid varieties of care institutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are NHS homeopathic hospitals?  God damnit!  No wonder the public finances are in such a mess.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;9883&quot;]My experience (mostly from dating doctors) is that they would prefer that their patients use diet, exercise and, other good health practices to solve their health problems. The reason they don&#039;t push those solutions is that they get less than 1% compliance rate. If a doctor has a patient who has bad knees, for example, the correct solution might well be to lose 40 lbs, exercise regularly to improve the muscular support for the joint, stop smoking, and eat more vegitables. But the number of people who will actually do that is more or less zero. So the doctor just gets into the habit of recommending medicines, pain killers, and surgery. It is a pragmatic solution that mostly works.

If you ask your doctor for advice about diet and exercise, he will give it to you, and if you actually do something as bold and inovative as folowing the advice, you will give the poor guy a heart attack.[/quote]

Great point.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/possibly-the-worst-scientific-study-ever/#comment-9883"><b>Chuck said:</b></a></p>
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My experience (mostly from dating doctors) is that they would prefer that their patients use diet, exercise and, other good health practices to solve their health problems. The reason they don&#8217;t push those solutions is that they get less than 1% compliance rate. If a doctor has a patient who has bad knees, for example, the correct solution might well be to lose 40 lbs, exercise regularly to improve the muscular support for the joint, stop smoking, and eat more vegitables. But the number of people who will actually do that is more or less zero. So the doctor just gets into the habit of recommending medicines, pain killers, and surgery. It is a pragmatic solution that mostly works.</p>
<p>If you ask your doctor for advice about diet and exercise, he will give it to you, and if you actually do something as bold and inovative as folowing the advice, you will give the poor guy a heart attack.</p>
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<p>Great point.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience (mostly from dating doctors) is that they would prefer that their patients use diet, exercise and, other good health practices to solve their health problems. The reason they don&#039;t push those solutions is that they get less than 1% compliance rate. If a doctor has a patient who has bad knees, for example, the correct solution might well be to lose 40 lbs, exercise regularly to improve the muscular support for the joint, stop smoking, and eat more vegitables. But the number of people who will actually do that is more or less zero. So the doctor just gets into the habit of recommending medicines, pain killers, and surgery. It is a pragmatic solution that mostly works.

If you ask your doctor for advice about diet and exercise, he will give it to you, and if you actually do something as bold and inovative as folowing the advice, you will give the poor guy a heart attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience (mostly from dating doctors) is that they would prefer that their patients use diet, exercise and, other good health practices to solve their health problems. The reason they don&#8217;t push those solutions is that they get less than 1% compliance rate. If a doctor has a patient who has bad knees, for example, the correct solution might well be to lose 40 lbs, exercise regularly to improve the muscular support for the joint, stop smoking, and eat more vegitables. But the number of people who will actually do that is more or less zero. So the doctor just gets into the habit of recommending medicines, pain killers, and surgery. It is a pragmatic solution that mostly works.</p>
<p>If you ask your doctor for advice about diet and exercise, he will give it to you, and if you actually do something as bold and inovative as folowing the advice, you will give the poor guy a heart attack.</p>
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		<title>By: Vjatcheslav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vjatcheslav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;9872&quot;]Now, that would be a &quot;Specialist&quot;.
Most HMOs require that &quot;regular doctors&quot; refer patients to &quot;specialists&quot; or for hospitalization.
Or, are you lucky enough to have socialized medicine?[/quote]

Firstly, I live in Belgium, so you would probably consider our system of social security to be socialized medicine. 

Secondly, if regular doctors refer someone to a dietician, they acknowledge the importance of nutrition. If they didn&#039;t know (however crudely) which effects nutrition has, they would be unable to refer someone to a dietician. Otherwise they would probably be unaware of their existence, and they certainly wouldn&#039;t lose their time convincing patients to go to a dietician. If they were actively opposed to dieticians (possibly induced by money coming from the sales of drugs, as you seem to imply), they also wouldn&#039;t refer their precious patients to them.

Not being a specialist in your HMO&#039;s I&#039;m not going to discuss their policies for dieticians.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/possibly-the-worst-scientific-study-ever/#comment-9872"><b>Ross said:</b></a></p>
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Now, that would be a &#8220;Specialist&#8221;.<br />
Most HMOs require that &#8220;regular doctors&#8221; refer patients to &#8220;specialists&#8221; or for hospitalization.<br />
Or, are you lucky enough to have socialized medicine?</p>
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<p>Firstly, I live in Belgium, so you would probably consider our system of social security to be socialized medicine. </p>
<p>Secondly, if regular doctors refer someone to a dietician, they acknowledge the importance of nutrition. If they didn&#8217;t know (however crudely) which effects nutrition has, they would be unable to refer someone to a dietician. Otherwise they would probably be unaware of their existence, and they certainly wouldn&#8217;t lose their time convincing patients to go to a dietician. If they were actively opposed to dieticians (possibly induced by money coming from the sales of drugs, as you seem to imply), they also wouldn&#8217;t refer their precious patients to them.</p>
<p>Not being a specialist in your HMO&#8217;s I&#8217;m not going to discuss their policies for dieticians.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, that would be a &quot;Specialist&quot;. 
Most HMOs require that &quot;regular doctors&quot; refer patients to &quot;specialists&quot; or for hospitalization.
Or, are you lucky enough to have socialized medicine?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, that would be a &#8220;Specialist&#8221;.<br />
Most HMOs require that &#8220;regular doctors&#8221; refer patients to &#8220;specialists&#8221; or for hospitalization.<br />
Or, are you lucky enough to have socialized medicine?</p>
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		<title>By: Vjatcheslav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vjatcheslav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;9816&quot;]They probably just figured that the homeopathy itself was all the placebo their study needed.[/quote]

What does one use as a placebo for homeopathy? &quot;Allotropic&quot; medicine?[quote comment=&quot;9818&quot;]I, also, am no doctor.
I use &quot;regular&quot; pad scribblers when I must and rarely meet honest practitioners.

Look into zinc supplements for your hay fever.
Hope you feel better.

Something all &quot;Doctors&quot; fail to admit; nutrition has major effects regarding health.
They would rather sell patent medicines. Or, in the case of homeopaths, water.[/quote]

I presume you never have heard from the profession called &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietician&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dietiticians&lt;/A&gt;?  There are even clinical dietiticians, and I don&#039;t think there are many places with a higher number of physicians than hospitals.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/possibly-the-worst-scientific-study-ever/#comment-9816"><b>Mike said:</b></a></p>
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They probably just figured that the homeopathy itself was all the placebo their study needed.</p>
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<p>What does one use as a placebo for homeopathy? &#8220;Allotropic&#8221; medicine?</p>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/possibly-the-worst-scientific-study-ever/#comment-9818"><b>Ross said:</b></a></p>
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I, also, am no doctor.<br />
I use &#8220;regular&#8221; pad scribblers when I must and rarely meet honest practitioners.</p>
<p>Look into zinc supplements for your hay fever.<br />
Hope you feel better.</p>
<p>Something all &#8220;Doctors&#8221; fail to admit; nutrition has major effects regarding health.<br />
They would rather sell patent medicines. Or, in the case of homeopaths, water.</p>
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<p>I presume you never have heard from the profession called <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietician" rel="nofollow">dietiticians</a>?  There are even clinical dietiticians, and I don&#8217;t think there are many places with a higher number of physicians than hospitals.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;9818&quot;]
Something all &quot;Doctors&quot; fail to admit; nutrition has major effects regarding health.
They would rather sell patent medicines. Or, in the case of homeopaths, water.[/quote]

Oh I don&#039;t believe that for a second.   Everyone knows that their nutrition is a big issue in health.  I think most doctors will be the first to tell their patients that the best way to stay healthy is to eat well.  I also know that my father&#039;s doctor pestered him to eat better and loose weight.  (my father is a bit overweight)

I don&#039;t think doctors have anything to fear for loosing business to people improving their diets.  Most people know that eating a lot of junk food is not good for them and most people know they should eat better than they do but they have imperfect diets anyway because its there and it tastes good.   I mean, I know my diet is far from perfect and I really should and can do better.   I guess you can call me lazy.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/possibly-the-worst-scientific-study-ever/#comment-9818"><b>Ross said:</b></a></p>
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<p>Something all &#8220;Doctors&#8221; fail to admit; nutrition has major effects regarding health.<br />
They would rather sell patent medicines. Or, in the case of homeopaths, water.</p>
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<p>Oh I don&#8217;t believe that for a second.   Everyone knows that their nutrition is a big issue in health.  I think most doctors will be the first to tell their patients that the best way to stay healthy is to eat well.  I also know that my father&#8217;s doctor pestered him to eat better and loose weight.  (my father is a bit overweight)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think doctors have anything to fear for loosing business to people improving their diets.  Most people know that eating a lot of junk food is not good for them and most people know they should eat better than they do but they have imperfect diets anyway because its there and it tastes good.   I mean, I know my diet is far from perfect and I really should and can do better.   I guess you can call me lazy.</p>
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