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		<title>By: JoeSchmo</title>
		<link>http://depletedcranium.com/peak-oil-deja-vu/comment-page-1/#comment-10536</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeSchmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pretty sure you can get ticketed for speeding on the autobahn.  Even if the roadway does not have a formal set speed limit, there are other less direct infractions like &#039;driving too fast for conditions&#039; or &#039;reckless driving&#039; or something like that pertaining to just being irresponsible with your speed.   I would have to think that going anywhere near the speed of sound would be unfit for any conditions even if it were completly dry and clear.  I think that reckless driving or some other similar charge can be applied to any circumstance where your driving is a clear hazard and I guess you could call it a judgement thing but I think almost everyone would agree that if you are going faster than most airplanes that is not safe in general or for other motorists.

Also, I don&#039;t know how you&#039;d expect to maintain control.   The autobahn is not perfectly straight it has curves and the curves are easily made at a normal speed, but staying on a road that is not dead straight and which also has other vehicles becomes much more difficult when you are in the area of land speed record speeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pretty sure you can get ticketed for speeding on the autobahn.  Even if the roadway does not have a formal set speed limit, there are other less direct infractions like &#8216;driving too fast for conditions&#8217; or &#8216;reckless driving&#8217; or something like that pertaining to just being irresponsible with your speed.   I would have to think that going anywhere near the speed of sound would be unfit for any conditions even if it were completly dry and clear.  I think that reckless driving or some other similar charge can be applied to any circumstance where your driving is a clear hazard and I guess you could call it a judgement thing but I think almost everyone would agree that if you are going faster than most airplanes that is not safe in general or for other motorists.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t know how you&#8217;d expect to maintain control.   The autobahn is not perfectly straight it has curves and the curves are easily made at a normal speed, but staying on a road that is not dead straight and which also has other vehicles becomes much more difficult when you are in the area of land speed record speeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Vjatcheslav</title>
		<link>http://depletedcranium.com/peak-oil-deja-vu/comment-page-1/#comment-10521</link>
		<dc:creator>Vjatcheslav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;10517&quot;]So wouldn&#039;t it make sense that if fast means less accidents REALLY FAST makes even less and CRAZY FAST makes for nearly none?[/quote]

I think this is true, but mostly because (1) such vehicles are build (or built?) with stringent safety and quality requirements, (2) they tend to be used in places which don&#039;t have much circulation (such as the sky) and (3) the pilots have to be well trained before they are entrusted with such a money eating thing.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/peak-oil-deja-vu/#comment-10517"><b>Q said:</b></a></p>
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So wouldn&#8217;t it make sense that if fast means less accidents REALLY FAST makes even less and CRAZY FAST makes for nearly none?</p>
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<p>I think this is true, but mostly because (1) such vehicles are build (or built?) with stringent safety and quality requirements, (2) they tend to be used in places which don&#8217;t have much circulation (such as the sky) and (3) the pilots have to be well trained before they are entrusted with such a money eating thing.</p>
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		<title>By: George Carty</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Carty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No - the function of accident danger against speed is not monotonic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No &#8211; the function of accident danger against speed is not monotonic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Q</title>
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		<dc:creator>Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the autobahn was known for being pretty low in accidents?   I&#039;ve heard that the accidents they do have are occasionally spectacular when you get a really fast going car hit something and get obliterated or go flying, but I&#039;ve always heard that the high speeds are supposed to result in drivers being more alert and taking things more seriously and that makes for an accident rate of 20% or more less than equivelent highways with speed limits like in other countries.

So wouldn&#039;t it make sense that if fast means less accidents REALLY FAST makes even less and CRAZY FAST makes for nearly none?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the autobahn was known for being pretty low in accidents?   I&#8217;ve heard that the accidents they do have are occasionally spectacular when you get a really fast going car hit something and get obliterated or go flying, but I&#8217;ve always heard that the high speeds are supposed to result in drivers being more alert and taking things more seriously and that makes for an accident rate of 20% or more less than equivelent highways with speed limits like in other countries.</p>
<p>So wouldn&#8217;t it make sense that if fast means less accidents REALLY FAST makes even less and CRAZY FAST makes for nearly none?</p>
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		<title>By: Vjatcheslav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vjatcheslav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you would also need to clear the Autobahn before you get to the speeds you&#039;d like, because otherwise you&#039;re going to get into an accident. And that is not legal, I fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you would also need to clear the Autobahn before you get to the speeds you&#8217;d like, because otherwise you&#8217;re going to get into an accident. And that is not legal, I fear.</p>
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		<title>By: Chem Geek Gregor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chem Geek Gregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 04:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand completely and I feel the same way.   If you are going to drive on a highway without an speed limit it seems like it&#039;s really not experiencing what it should be if you just drive an ordinary car.   I mean, it&#039;s not even that much faster than you can reasonably travel in a car anyway with a speed limit.   Three or four times faster?   If there&#039;s no speed limit then you&#039;d be really not be using that potential and that kind of an invitation with a conventional automobile.   Imagine a road that challenges you to go as fast as your means and ingenuity will allow and NOT taking that and just driving at a normal speed.   No, that would be unacceptable.   

Your vehicle would need to approach the physical limit of how fast you can get a land vehicle to go within the space and layout avaliable.   You&#039;d have to get at least close to the speed of sound to feel you had really experienced the road.   It&#039;s a given that a regular wheel-driven car would not do.   You need something better like a ramjet, a solid fueled rocket, a liquid fueled rocket or pulsed-nuclear-detonation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand completely and I feel the same way.   If you are going to drive on a highway without an speed limit it seems like it&#8217;s really not experiencing what it should be if you just drive an ordinary car.   I mean, it&#8217;s not even that much faster than you can reasonably travel in a car anyway with a speed limit.   Three or four times faster?   If there&#8217;s no speed limit then you&#8217;d be really not be using that potential and that kind of an invitation with a conventional automobile.   Imagine a road that challenges you to go as fast as your means and ingenuity will allow and NOT taking that and just driving at a normal speed.   No, that would be unacceptable.   </p>
<p>Your vehicle would need to approach the physical limit of how fast you can get a land vehicle to go within the space and layout avaliable.   You&#8217;d have to get at least close to the speed of sound to feel you had really experienced the road.   It&#8217;s a given that a regular wheel-driven car would not do.   You need something better like a ramjet, a solid fueled rocket, a liquid fueled rocket or pulsed-nuclear-detonation.</p>
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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;10492&quot;]Belgium is a small country, as you&#039;ll have remarked by this time. We&#039;re just not used to great distances.[/quote]

Yes, but you&#039;re reasonably close to the Autobahn, which I&#039;ve always wanted to drive on.   It&#039;s somewhat hard for me as an American to fathom that it does not have a speed limit though.   I&#039;d figure it would be really not that interesting to use my current car on the Autobahn, I mean what is the point?  The car actually has a governor on it that will start to cut back the power after you get past 110 mph and won&#039;t let you go above 120mph.   However, it can be removed relatively easily.   

Even so, the maximum theoretical speed is well under 150 without the governor.  I&#039;ve heard of the car being taken as high as ~135 on a flat track.    With a supercharger you can bolt on enough horsepower to possibly break 150.   But really, it&#039;s not designed to be a race car.

But the thing is the autobahn has NO speedlimit, so it seems like it really is pointless to even bother with a standard car if you want the real experience.   Even a dodge Viper on a good straight shot is going to struggle to keep over 200 mph.  A McLaren F1 can supposedly do 240, but still if there&#039;s a headwind or something it&#039;s going to be hard to get that high and forget about 250.

If you want to do the autobahn (which I really do) I figure you&#039;d have to do it right and go a lot faster than that.   The problem is that axle driven vehicles top out at about 300mph.   I&#039;m wondering if it is legal to take an afterburning turbojet on the autobahn (Because it has no speedlimit.  That&#039;s unfathomable... how can you not see that as an invitation to go as fast as possible)

Something like the J79 off of an F-104 would be ideal.   They used that, IIRC in one of the more resent land speed record attempts.   It seems like the autobahn would be the logical place to try to break the land speed record.   If you throw out the fact that guiness requires you to complete it two times in a given amount of time in the same vehicle, then you might even do better with solid rockets.   That&#039;d be cheaper too.   a vehicle with some surplus solid rocket motors should be able to go supersonic at a reasonable price.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/peak-oil-deja-vu/#comment-10492"><b>Vjatcheslav said:</b></a></p>
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Belgium is a small country, as you&#8217;ll have remarked by this time. We&#8217;re just not used to great distances.</p>
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<p>Yes, but you&#8217;re reasonably close to the Autobahn, which I&#8217;ve always wanted to drive on.   It&#8217;s somewhat hard for me as an American to fathom that it does not have a speed limit though.   I&#8217;d figure it would be really not that interesting to use my current car on the Autobahn, I mean what is the point?  The car actually has a governor on it that will start to cut back the power after you get past 110 mph and won&#8217;t let you go above 120mph.   However, it can be removed relatively easily.   </p>
<p>Even so, the maximum theoretical speed is well under 150 without the governor.  I&#8217;ve heard of the car being taken as high as ~135 on a flat track.    With a supercharger you can bolt on enough horsepower to possibly break 150.   But really, it&#8217;s not designed to be a race car.</p>
<p>But the thing is the autobahn has NO speedlimit, so it seems like it really is pointless to even bother with a standard car if you want the real experience.   Even a dodge Viper on a good straight shot is going to struggle to keep over 200 mph.  A McLaren F1 can supposedly do 240, but still if there&#8217;s a headwind or something it&#8217;s going to be hard to get that high and forget about 250.</p>
<p>If you want to do the autobahn (which I really do) I figure you&#8217;d have to do it right and go a lot faster than that.   The problem is that axle driven vehicles top out at about 300mph.   I&#8217;m wondering if it is legal to take an afterburning turbojet on the autobahn (Because it has no speedlimit.  That&#8217;s unfathomable&#8230; how can you not see that as an invitation to go as fast as possible)</p>
<p>Something like the J79 off of an F-104 would be ideal.   They used that, IIRC in one of the more resent land speed record attempts.   It seems like the autobahn would be the logical place to try to break the land speed record.   If you throw out the fact that guiness requires you to complete it two times in a given amount of time in the same vehicle, then you might even do better with solid rockets.   That&#8217;d be cheaper too.   a vehicle with some surplus solid rocket motors should be able to go supersonic at a reasonable price.</p>
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		<title>By: Vjatcheslav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vjatcheslav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Belgium is a small country, as you&#039;ll have remarked by this time. We&#039;re just not used to great distances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belgium is a small country, as you&#8217;ll have remarked by this time. We&#8217;re just not used to great distances.</p>
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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
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		<dc:creator>drbuzz0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Saturn worked fine.  It just wasn&#039;t this:  http://depletedcranium.com/myride.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Saturn worked fine.  It just wasn&#8217;t this:  <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/myride.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://depletedcranium.com/myride.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: mlp</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc, I&#039;m sorry your Saturn didn&#039;t work out for you. I recently retired my 2000 Saturn SL2 after seven great years of driving it. It was a fun little car to work on and it got me back and forth across the country when I moved away for grad school. I used to drive it from Iowa to Houston to see my family at holidays, and it was a great way to stop in and visit friends who lived along the way. Too many people just don&#039;t understand the enjoyment of road trips.

I guess the saying is true, that in America a hundred years is a long time and in Europe a hundred miles is a long way. When I&#039;m in Texas with my family we can drive 45 miles to see friends &quot;across town&quot; and not be in traffic the entire time. I also have a flat in Belgium (my husband is in graduate school at Leuven) and the idea of going that far seems like a major project to our friends and neighbours. I hardly think anything of going up to Holland for the afternoon, it&#039;s only an hour and a half by train after all! I can read on the train, the view is really nice and it&#039;s actually quite cheap, but to some people that is just too far to go for a pleasant afternoon looking at medieval architecture. To each their own I suppose. (Actually, most people on the train seem to be going for the shopping, and more power to them.)

Anyway I&#039;m glad you&#039;re enjoying the Chrysler! If you ever come out to the Bay Area, you should rent a convertible and go tooling through the mountains along Skyline Drive, it&#039;s so pretty up there and the roads are an interesting challenge if you like that kind of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, I&#8217;m sorry your Saturn didn&#8217;t work out for you. I recently retired my 2000 Saturn SL2 after seven great years of driving it. It was a fun little car to work on and it got me back and forth across the country when I moved away for grad school. I used to drive it from Iowa to Houston to see my family at holidays, and it was a great way to stop in and visit friends who lived along the way. Too many people just don&#8217;t understand the enjoyment of road trips.</p>
<p>I guess the saying is true, that in America a hundred years is a long time and in Europe a hundred miles is a long way. When I&#8217;m in Texas with my family we can drive 45 miles to see friends &#8220;across town&#8221; and not be in traffic the entire time. I also have a flat in Belgium (my husband is in graduate school at Leuven) and the idea of going that far seems like a major project to our friends and neighbours. I hardly think anything of going up to Holland for the afternoon, it&#8217;s only an hour and a half by train after all! I can read on the train, the view is really nice and it&#8217;s actually quite cheap, but to some people that is just too far to go for a pleasant afternoon looking at medieval architecture. To each their own I suppose. (Actually, most people on the train seem to be going for the shopping, and more power to them.)</p>
<p>Anyway I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re enjoying the Chrysler! If you ever come out to the Bay Area, you should rent a convertible and go tooling through the mountains along Skyline Drive, it&#8217;s so pretty up there and the roads are an interesting challenge if you like that kind of thing.</p>
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