One Thousand Dollars to Prove Electrosenstivity
March 10th, 2010
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Recently the magazine Popular Science ran a major story on individuals who believe they have electrosensitivity or electrohypersensitivity. I’m sorry to say that it was an example of horrible reporting that really only talked about the issue as if it were proven real. It stated the claims of the various individuals who claimed to have the condition without once considering that it might be “all in their head” and not real at all. (I’m working on a post with a more definitive and full report on all the problems with the PopSci article.)
While it did contain some language about how long term harm, such as cancer, is not proven to be related to RF radiation, it reported about being “Allergic to radio Waves” is if it were conclusively proven as fact. Not surprisingly, the story has generated a lot of hype and has been championed by those who insist that the condition exists.
Well then, I’m going to make an offer. I contend that electrohypersensitivity is not real. The condition is psychosomatic. RF fields do not produce nausea, headache, fainting, skin rashes or any other acute effect on the human body. No person can, under controlled conditions, show that they manifest these symptoms more often around a low power rf transmitter than when away from radio sources.
Do you think I’m wrong? Then prove it. I’m willing to put up one grand of my own money to be proven wrong. Honestly, I’m so confident about this, I’d put up more than that, but I want this to be a credible challenge and so I’ll put up an amount I know I can provide if I need to. I’m very serious and I’m willing to make the effort of setting up a test to conclusively and fairly settle the issue. And I will eat my words and fork over the money if you can prove me wrong!
The Challenge:
To prove that you manifest symptoms of electrohypersensitivity and that these symptoms are reliably linked to RF radiation by demonstrating the ability to detect the state of RF transmissions in a controlled enviornment.
The Reward:
1. One thousand US Dollars, provided in the form of a certified check, money order or other mutually acceptable monetary instrument.
2. I will admit I was wrong about electrosenstivity / electrohypersensitivity not existing.
3. Your case will be brought to the attention of researchers, with whom I am in communication, and efforts will be made to report your condition and the verification in peer reviewed journals.
The Test Setup:
A number of sources of consumer-level RF emissions will be used, these will include such things as a wifi router, a cell phone signal amplifier, a smart phone, which is programed to begin transmitting as soon as it is turned on, a local FM transmitter and/or various other devices. These will be placed in boxes which are relatively transparent to radio signals but which will hide any lights or other activity indicators on the devices. They will be connected to a single power cord which will be connected to a single switch.
The switch will be connected to a power source located in another room, away from view of the room where the test will be conducted. The individual being tested will not know whether the power supply is actually hooked up or not, the observer in the room with the subject will also not be aware whether the power supply is connected or not. If the power supply is connected then closing the switch will result in the transmitters coming on, but if the power supply is not connected, the switch will do nothing and the transmitters will remain off.
Those in the room will not know whether or not the session was a dry run or whether the transmitters actually did come on.
The switch will be turned off after five minutes or may be switched off sooner if the test subject believes they know whether the transmitters are on or off. After the test session, the individual will be asked to report whether or not they experienced any symptoms that would indicate the transmitters were on or not.
The test will be repeated a number of times to demonstrate that the individual can indeed detect whether the transmitters were on or off signifficantly better than they could by sheer chance alone. The default number of test sessions will be ten, and each test will be randomly selected as being either a power-on test session or a power-off test session.
Additional Rules and Information:
1. If the individual does not believe that they can detect the state of the transmitter with 100% accuracy, then it is possible that we can negotiate a test protocol in which they are only required to determine the state of the transmitter with a high, but not perfect, reliability. However, this will require more than ten sessions to verify. I’m willing to consider an extended series of sessions to determine this reliably.
2. If the individual believes that their electrohypersensitivity is so severe that they will not be able to do one test session immediately after another, a rest period can be provided,as long as it does not prevent the test series from being completed in a reasonable amount of time. If absolutely necessary, this does not all have to be done in one day, but more than three or four days will not be acceptable.
3. I’m willing to be somewhat flexible about the devices used. As long as they are consumer level RF sources that don’t produce a sound or other indication of their operation, they should be acceptable. If you believe that there is a certain type of phone or device that is especially prone to causing symptoms, it may be considered. Alternatively, if you feel that your EHS is so severe that having all those transmitters on at once would be intolerable, then lower power sources can be used. However, higher power sources than consumer level will not be accepted – broadcast level transmitters will not be allowed.
4. This is subject to availability on location. If you live on the US eastern seaboard, you can be accommodated. I will be traveling in the future to Europe, Australia, the West Coast, Florida and elsewhere, but this may take some time to happen. I’m also willing to have a third party conduct this test at a location closer to the subject. Regardless of the subject’s location, an effort will be made to accommodate them, but this can’t be guaranteed.
5. Since the claims regarding this alleged condition are that it can be triggered by devices signifficantly above ambient rf levels and because the test subject will have a chance to acclimate themselves to the ambient level with the devices powered off, it is presumed that an RF isolated area will not be necessary. The devices will produce a much higher RF flux than would exist in the area when they are not powered on and this will be confirmed with an isotropic power meter.
However, if the test subject believes that an RF isolated area is necessary to insure they can accurately determine if the transmitters are indeed on or off, arrangements can be made. This will, of course, depend on the location of the test subject and whether or not they can travel. If the test is conducted locally (in Connecticut, United States) then I have access to a professional RF test laboratory which includes a verified isolated RF test room. If the test is to be done elsewhere, efforts will be made to find a similar location, but this can’t be assured.
If you believe that electricity such as mains AC current will cause these symptoms and therefore must be excluded, then we can take steps to use a test room that does not have other electricity service active.
6. No devices of any kind, which could indicate RF emissions (such as field meters, wifi detectors etc) will be permitted. If used, they will be considered cheating and you will be dismissed.
7. This test is only to determine the acute physical effects of RF radiation and establish acute hypersensitivity. Information about long term exposure or chronic issues is irrelevant and won’t be considered.
8. Independent observation, verification and other such protection for the subject taking the challenge can be arranged, but ultimately this is my challenge and I reserve the right to stop the challenge and/or cut short the test if i believe that there is cheating involved, that there is a of harm to property, if the test subject becomes violent or unruly or if for any other reason, I deem it necessary.
Remember, this is a challenge. I’m issuing it. I make the rules. I’ll do what I can to accommodate the needs of anyone who wants to apply, but I make the rules. Every effort will be made to treat you fairly, but I am not going to open myself to any unreasonable liability.
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March 11th, 2010 at 1:30 am
It had to be done. It’s time for these claims to be put to the test, and this is one way of doing it. Of course the hard-core are going to accuse YOU of cheating, so you should try and integrate some double-blind controls into the experimental designs.
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March 11th, 2010 at 2:27 am
DV82XL said:
Yeah, well the procedure would be for the person proctoring the test to be unaware as to whether or not each session was a live test or a control. Whether or not the power supply is actually connected I plan on having a computer decide using a random number generator seeded from a Geiger counter that plugs into the serial port (the gold standard for truely random number generation)
The power is turned on and off from outside the room by someone (probably myself) who does not interact with the subject until after the sessions have been completed. I’m more than willing to let them examine the test setup and confirm that the system does indeed turn on when the switch is closed and the external power is connected. They can confirm this before and after, as long as the state of the devices is hidden during the sessions.
If they want to bring their own observers to assure that the power is really connected for the live sessions, that’s fine too. Anyone can see the power connected or not connected, as long as they are outside the test room. Any other reasonable verification I’m also willing to do. If they want the outside persons observing it to be able to connect an indicator light to make sure the power really is flowing or even have an RF probe in the room to assure that the RF energy is produced it’s all fine.
The whole thing can be transparent as long as the person being tested and anyone proctoring are isolated.
It should be easy enough to do. Part of the point is that this is all done with simple hardware and fairly straight forward.
I should add: I am not interested in gauging the severity of the condition, the demographics it effects, the kind of symptoms or the nature of the signals that worst cause it.
The only thing I’m interested in: proving it exists at all. I contend that it does not and only one good example of it is required to prove me wrong. I contend that it is physiologically impossible for any human to do this.
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March 11th, 2010 at 2:46 am
I’m not psychic but somehow I don’t predict any takers in your future. If you do get one though, I don’t think miserably failing the test would make them admit the condition does not exist. They’ll make something up, like they were already made sick by other emissions, and even if you put them in a radio-proof room, they’ll say they have lingering illness from the ride over or something. Hypochondriacs love to make excuses. I lived with one for many years. I know how it works.
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March 11th, 2010 at 3:11 am
DV82XL said:
Actually, now that I think of it, there might be a better way of doing it. Instead of an outsider controlling the power, have a box with ten identical switches, with some hooked up to power and some not. Each session one of the switches would be closed, but only the person who wired the box would know, and of course, they would decide base on a computer’s random output.
After the test, it could be verified which switch was a live switch and which was a dummy.
Yeah… that might actually be better
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March 11th, 2010 at 3:40 am
Hmm… both ways work, but I like the pre-wired live and dead switches more. It’s very easy to verify the whole thing after the fact. It should be pretty easy to make a 10-switch box too.
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March 11th, 2010 at 4:02 am
Similar tests has been made at Uppsala University, Sweden. They also told the test subject whether the RF source was on or not (but sometimes lied).
The result:
* The correlation with the actual state of the devices was about as good as a coin toss.
* The correlation with the stated state of the devices was almost perfect. One subject became so violently ill when he was told that the devices were on (but they were still turned off) that he had to be taken to the hospital with an ambulance…
So, pretty much busted.
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March 11th, 2010 at 5:55 am
Good one Steve. I’ll add another 100 USD to that prize money, provided I get credit for the discovery too.
Troberg: Got any references to that test? (Svenska funkar bra för mig också.
) Would love to have it.
/michael
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March 11th, 2010 at 7:18 am
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March 11th, 2010 at 7:29 am
It’s not the first time this was debunked. A friend of mine is a medical professor for otorhinolaryngology (ears and stuff). He was setting up a community center for severly hearing impaired people. They need individual transmission of audio signals from TV/radio to their custom earpieces so that the volume can be adjusted by individual frequencies according to their special needs.
Anyways, soon the neighbors were on his case and demanded ’scientific proof’ that their health was not in danger by the ‘emmisions’. To make a long story short, the study was conducted, with all rigor, and with expectable results.
Satan_Klaus
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March 11th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Sorry, no references. A guy I once knew was the son of one of the people behind the project, that’s how I heard about it. You could probably call the university, though, and ask for studies on the subject.
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March 11th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
Several clinical trials have tested possible treatments for electrosensitivity, including: acupuncture; special electrical screening devices; vitamin supplements; and cognitive behavioral therapy. Of these, the only option that appears to show any promise is cognitive behavioral therapy. If this isn’t a clear indication where the problem resides, I don’t know what is.
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March 11th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
DV82XL said:
But why? Why bother spending the money on clinical trials and studies for something which has not been proven to even exist?
Shouldn’t the first step of any study to look for treatments for a condition be first establishing that there is eve a condition that really exists to treat? This might not be the case with some conditions that are clearly and undoubtedly real, like influenza or lung cancer, but what of the diseases that are not conclusively and universally even known to be real? Electrohypersensitivity, morgellons, chemical sensitivity, genital retraction syndrome / panic, fan death, laughing fits..
We don’t actually have any evidence that the conditions really exist as anything more than mass panic or suggestion. Why then, do we bother looking for a cure for something before first validating one is needed???
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March 11th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
Magic Donuts said:
Psychosomatic disorders and somatoform disorders, do exist. They are recognized as clinical conditions that can benefit from medical intervention. Keep in mind that the general thrust of medicine is to treat the patient and not the symptoms. To approach the patient and to have some success in applying a therapy, it is necessary for the attending physician not to be judgmental.
Things are a bit different with us, since we are not overly concerned with anyone claiming electrosensitivity, relation with their doctor. We are concerned with attempts to burden us with the costs of pandering to the demands of these people and as a consequence we can hold a harsher opinion of them and their complaints.
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March 11th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
Haven’t there already been double blind studies showing this to be nothing more than the nocebo affect? Perhaps you could link to those studies.
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March 11th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
On the same subject, a large-scale blind test was done accidentally, as reported here…
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Wireless/11099.html
The situation is highly amusing, with lots of people complaining about ongoing symptoms from a transmission tower… completely unaware that the company that owned the tower had switched it off over six weeks earlier.
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March 11th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
DV82XL said:
That’s true, although it’s important that we recognize this and realize what we’re dealing with. Electrosensitivity does not exist as such, because these people are not actually in any way sensitive to electricity or to electric fields.
It does no good to pretend that electrosenstivity exists because the only reason people suffer from it is because the myth that it exists has been perpetuated. If the world continues to pretend that radio signals can make people sick, then more people will become sick.
What we’re dealing with here is not “electrohypersensitivity” – it’s actually a combination of already well known conditions like delusional hypochondriasis and somatosensory amplification. It’s not an “organic” condition as such.
I’d argue that electrohypersensitivity, multiple-chemical sensitivity and many other such alleged conditions are the same thing. They’re not different conditions. The fact that a person is convinced that radio signals give them unbearable pain is incidental. It could just as easily be chemicals or anything else. They believe that they experience symptoms when around something. What that “something” is really doesn’t matter – it’s usually dictated by what they have been conditioned to fear.
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March 11th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
This is going to sound a small bit pedantic, but you need to change your headline. There is no apostrophe in “dollars”. The idea is an excellent one.
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March 11th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
drbuzz0 said:
No question, and I am certainly not suggesting that we grant any credence to this or any other allied condition. We can and should actively resist any attempts to legitimize these notions by allowing those that make these claims to make demands that would grant tacit recognition of their symptoms such as stopping public wifi, or not siting cell-towers where they are needed, however it is not helpful if we suggest that these are conscious malingering or factitious disorders.
Like anyone else with a mental illness these people deserve some compassion, as long as we do not acquiesce to their demands.
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March 11th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Colm said:
oops. I know that and I have no idea how I missed that one.
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March 12th, 2010 at 9:36 am
I have the condition and I find your posting about it ignorant and disrespectful. I am lucky to live in Sweden which is the one country that has recognized the illness. There is no doubt that it is real and the government of Sweden includes it in the disability program.
Your test will not work for me and maybe others. It is rigged so you can walk away and say that you have proven it. For me, it may not be that I get a headache or pains when I am first exposed to the signals, it may take several minutes. Remember, it is like an allergy. If you are allergic to a cat will you become sick as soon as you enter a home with a cat? Probably it will take a few minutes at least.
When I become sick it can take more than a day to recover. It is a terrible painful headache that no headache pill can seem to sooth. I get sharp pains running up and down my back and body. I become tired and fatigued. I become sick to my stomach and can’t eat and sometimes feel like I might vomit.
You should be more respectful, because nobody chooses to be sick like this. It can make life hard. I wear a device that helps scramble the radiation around me, and it helps a little bit, at least to let me go around in public, but it does not completely do it if someone near me uses a phone or I go too close to something like a computer. I am lucky though, because some have it much worse. Thankfully, there are now more efforts to accommodate people like myself by having reduced radiation areas where wireless is not allowed. It makes it possible to live life more normally.
We do not choose this condition. Nobody wants to live like this if they do not have to. You need to learn a lot more.
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March 12th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Elly, I live in Sweden too… and while you are correct that Socialstyrelsen (the swedish health and social board) does recogize the condition, it does not recognize EMF as the cause.
The SoS expert group… (unfortunately for the rest of you in swedish)
Page 181… in short: they find that EMHS is a psychosomatic condition where the symptoms are most likely induced by stress that is triggered by pavlovian conditioning against EMF.
Which is to say: the more you fuss about this, the more people will get ill because the stress you are causing in them causes the EMHS symptoms.
You should be more respectful, because nobody chooses to be sick like this.
We know that! How about you show us some respect and actually read what the heck we are writing?
Noone is denying that EMHS sufferers have real and disabilitating symptoms. that has never been in doubt! Psychosomatic illnesses are just as real as illnesses caused by patheogens or cancers or autoimmune responses.
But the cause is not electromagnetic fields.
You don’t seem to understand that ultimately we are trying to help you and other EMHS sufferers. The sooner you can break free from the notion that EMF is the cause, the sooner you can get well again. The sooner EMf is conclusively shown to be innocent in this, the sooner we can prevent new poeple from getting the symptoms.
We’re on the same side here. It’s just so sad that you don’t see that. you have become so used to your hatred for EMF that by now you prefer to hold on to that rather than to look for new ways to get well that you havn’t explored yet. And with that you will never get well again. That’s saddens all of us.
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March 12th, 2010 at 10:06 am
I forgot to add one thing:
Since the root cause for electromagnetic hypersensitivity symtoms is the stress from believeing the fields are the cause, one has to be pretty brutal. It’s about breaking the back of a belief… which is one of the hardest things to do on a human being. But seeing is believeing… and this kind of experiment will make you see.
You get symptoms when you expect to get them. An experiment like the one Steve proposes decouples the expectation from the actual fields. And when you then see for yourself that the symptoms follow the expectations rather than the actual fields, you can see for yourself what the real cause is.
And then… only then… can you attack and eliminate the true cause of your symptoms.
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March 12th, 2010 at 10:56 am
Michael has it exactly right. The symptoms of a psychosomatic illness are very real. It is the cause that is the issue. Particularly since the cause is the person suffering the symptoms mind. I have a friend who is recovering from severe allergies combined with some psychosomatic problems. At one point in their recovery they clearly no longer had an allergic reaction to a former allergen. You could see this in their reactions. There were things that if it was in the environment at all they would react to severely. There were other items that so long as they didn’t see it they didn’t react to it. but within 10 – 15 seconds of seeing the former allergen they would react severely to it. But note that this only happened when they could see it. It didn’t matter if it was 5 feet from them or 50 feet from them if they could see it they would react, but if they couldn’t and didn’t see it they never would react.
EMF sensitivity is like this. The symptoms are very real but the actual cause is misplaced. That is the point of DrBuzz0’s test. To demonstrate that the cause has nothing to do with actual EMF and every thing to do with the sufferer’s expectation of EMF.
Elly there is no doubt you have a real problem but blaming and associating it with EMF means that you will not recover from it because you have misplaced the blame for the problem. Most psychosomatic illnesses are a combination of very real problems augmented by stress provided by the mind. And with the cause being misplaced the real source or sources of your problem can not be treated and cured so you remain sick. By embracing a false cause you keep yourself ill.
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March 12th, 2010 at 11:08 am
Elly said:
Actually the test has explicitly been designed to take that into account:
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March 12th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Michael Karnerfors said:
Well, I would not say “Nobody chooses to be sick like this” I am pretty sure that the vast majority of people do actually believe that they have a condition that makes them sensitive to electromagnetic energy, but once you start compensating or offering any kind of money or recognition, you always end up with a few outright fakers.
To parallel this, there are really people who will live life in a wheel chair or on crutches if it means that they don’t have to work and get workers compensation, even if they don’t actually need the wheel chair or crutches. I’m not saying that everyone on disability does this – it’s actually a tiny minority. Every once in a while one of them gets caught. If they’re suspected of pulling a fast one, sometimes a private investigator will follow them a bit and discover that after going to a hearing on their payments with crutches, a neck brace and lumbar support belt, they miraculously seem to stop needing all that stuff after driving to the golf course.
I would not be surprised if at least a few ES sufferers fall into this category.
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March 12th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
Elly said:
This makes me ashamed to be swedish. It is a national disgrace of the same magnitude as the british NHS recognizing homeopathy.
Elly said:
It’s trivially easy to design a test that works on longer time scales.
Elly said:
The disease you are suffering from is real, but it is not caused by electromagnetic fields.
Elly said:
Humouring people with a psychosomatic illness is the worst thing you can do.
Elly said:
Unless you’re wearing chain mail or some other decent approximation of a faraday cage this device cannot possibly work.
Elly said:
This is the worst possible policy and will insure that you remain sick.
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March 12th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Oh that’s just great. Know I’ve gone and b0rked who I am quoting as well(that would be Elly, not DrBuzz0).
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March 12th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
drbuzz0 said:
Steve, please do us a favour and unfoot your mouth. We’re trying got be nice and understanding here… but that sort of thing targets all the sore nerves you can find on the EHMS’ers and you can bet your bum they bite on that rather than our attempts to find a middle ground of understading.
/Michael
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March 12th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
I strongly suggest that you contact the James Randi Educational Foundation (www.randi.org) with your suggested protocol. If someone wins your $1k prize, the JREF may be interested in testing them for the $1M Randi challenge.
Possible additions to your protocol:
1. An open preliminary test, where the claimant knows the state of the devices, and demonstrates the effect.
2. Ask them if there is anything making them uncomfortable with the setup.
This will prevent them claiming there is something wrong with the setup after the test.
Could also test whether just having lights lit on a rf-device look-alike will induce the effect.
Having a spectrum analyser in the test location would be a big benefit, but expensive.
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March 12th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
FatBigot said:
Well, I’m not sure that it qualifies as “paranormal.” If they passed the test it could imply that there is some as-yet undiscovered mechanism by which the human body could somehow receive radio signals or detect the field strength there of. Perhaps somehow the nerves in the body could amplify voltage induced or something..
I mean, obviously it’s far fetched, but if it were proven to be true, it does not necessarily imply it would have to be magic.
But… if anyone did pass the test, I’d certainly pass it on to the JREF and see if they’d consider it for the million dollar challenge.
The one thing I could definitely see as being qualifying for the challenge is if someone could demonstrate that some kind of charm/badge/bracelet or something somehow had an effect, because those kind of things are clearly an example of something magic (if they worked). It would totally violate the laws of physics for a bracelet or necklace to somehow suck up all the ambient radio signals in an area. It would be like a “Dark Bulb” that makes a room dark when you flip a switch.
But either way, I’d run it by the JREF. If nothing else it would give me an excuse to talk to Alison. She’s the young lady who runs the challenge and is very attractive… I mean.. she doesn’t arc weld or anything, but still, I’d take an excuse to call her.
FatBigot said:
I’d imagine it would and the studies done thus far have shown it is indeed a psychosomatic effect, but that’s not so much what I’m looking to prove. I want someone to prove to me that it is real.
FatBigot said:
I have a spectrum analyzer. My only concern with anything like that is I don’t want to open the door to claims that the other test equipment made them sick – like someone saying that the internal oscillators and power converters within the spectrum analyzer made them sick. Obviously that seems a bit far fetched since any internals would necessarily be isolated from the enviornment.
My thought was that I could possibly have an antenna in the room (a passive receive-only antenna) and have that connected to a cable to a spectrum analyzer that is isolated from the area.
I don’t want to open the opportunity to any claims that there was something somehow interfering.
Michael Karnerfors said:
Oh come on now, are you suggesting that this is not the kind of thing that would draw someone to make a dishonest buck.. or Pound or Euro, as it were? The whole world of scary RF claims is full of people lying to make some money by hawking a magical product or something.
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March 12th, 2010 at 7:20 pm
drbuzz0 said:
Well of course not! But it’s a totally unecessary thing to bring up now for the point of irrelevant nit-pickig when at least three of us are busting our backs trying to tell an EMHS’er that we are respecting their claims of suffering!
You are completely derailing the effort with this and as such polarizing the issue which inevitably leads to us having to listen to the bull**** about the dangers of EMF longer. So just do us a favour and can that particular part, because it can not help us in any way!
Seriously Steve… sometimes you have the grace of a bull in a china shop and that gets skepticism a bad rep.
/Michael
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March 12th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Michael Karnerfors said:
You know Karnerfors, you are entitled to your opinion, but sometimes it is best voiced in a private message rather than hanging it out to dry in public. Before I would start giving free advice on how others should behave, perhaps you should take a spoonful of it yourself.
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March 12th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Okay Okay…
lets not get into any unnecessary arguments here
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March 15th, 2010 at 3:50 am
Well I don’t know if your challenge will have any takers, but I am pretty sure it won’t have any winners. If it did you and the winner would both be due some fame for being the first to show this can even happen with good controls and conditions like that. I like your design of it too, because it has the basis that you obviously understand the need for blinding and separation and objective pre-defined criteria. Most quack story are based on a complete lack of this.
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