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	<title>Comments on: Nuclear Trade Group Spends 1.3M on US Lobbying (which is next to nothing)</title>
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		<title>By: BobDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big coal (peabody energy and the rest) poured huge amounts of money in the past few years into lobbying for the while &quot;clean coal&quot; iniative in the United States.   The cornerstone of it was the Futuregen project which would have been a joint industry/government thing which was going to really be mostly funded by the government and mostly benefiting the industry.

It was a multibillion dollar handout and that&#039;s why they spent so much and fought tooth and nail to save it.   It goes to prove that money can only get you so far.   They just could not buytheir way past the fact that it was an expensive and idiotic project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big coal (peabody energy and the rest) poured huge amounts of money in the past few years into lobbying for the while &#8220;clean coal&#8221; iniative in the United States.   The cornerstone of it was the Futuregen project which would have been a joint industry/government thing which was going to really be mostly funded by the government and mostly benefiting the industry.</p>
<p>It was a multibillion dollar handout and that&#8217;s why they spent so much and fought tooth and nail to save it.   It goes to prove that money can only get you so far.   They just could not buytheir way past the fact that it was an expensive and idiotic project.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.3 million from the industry group and a couple million from other companies?   That&#039;s really not a lot in the political world.   Oil pays so much because they are so high profit and its so majorly affected by politics.   The handouts and tax breaks they get in the name of &quot;securing our energy&quot; are ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.3 million from the industry group and a couple million from other companies?   That&#8217;s really not a lot in the political world.   Oil pays so much because they are so high profit and its so majorly affected by politics.   The handouts and tax breaks they get in the name of &#8220;securing our energy&#8221; are ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Tunguska Boom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tunguska Boom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Clean coal&quot; is like the punchline of a bad joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Clean coal&#8221; is like the punchline of a bad joke.</p>
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		<title>By: DV82XL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DV82XL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;4089&quot;]Absolutely. The problem will be getting another CANDU station built in Ontario without public and political backlash and the associated immense cost overruns. [/quote]

No shit.

Sorry I just posted a comment on the NEI site in response to earlier one by Dr. F. R. Greening a mouthpiece for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.energyquest4nanticoke.ca/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Grand Erie Energy Quest&lt;/a&gt; an organization that&#039;s fighting to keep the damned Nanticoke Generating Station open. They want Ontario Power Generation, who owns the plant to convert it to clean-coal, or gas, but not nuclear as planned. 

Their website is full of the usual lies about nuclear energy and links to our favorite folks in the antinuclear movement. I believe that they are more worried about the losses of jobs and revenue in the county than anything else, however this is not explicitly said.  Statements by local politicians made elsewhere, however make their concerns clear.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/nuclear-trade-group-spends-13m-on-us-lobbying-which-is-next-to-nothing/#comment-4089"><b>Tdub said:</b></a></p>
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Absolutely. The problem will be getting another CANDU station built in Ontario without public and political backlash and the associated immense cost overruns. </p>
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<p>No ****.</p>
<p>Sorry I just posted a comment on the NEI site in response to earlier one by Dr. F. R. Greening a mouthpiece for <a href="http://www.energyquest4nanticoke.ca/index.htm" rel="nofollow">Grand Erie Energy Quest</a> an organization that&#8217;s fighting to keep the damned Nanticoke Generating Station open. They want Ontario Power Generation, who owns the plant to convert it to clean-coal, or gas, but not nuclear as planned. </p>
<p>Their website is full of the usual lies about nuclear energy and links to our favorite folks in the antinuclear movement. I believe that they are more worried about the losses of jobs and revenue in the county than anything else, however this is not explicitly said.  Statements by local politicians made elsewhere, however make their concerns clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Finky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;4064&quot;]True, but if you saw some of the things that go on in Alberta to recover the tar sands, you&#039;d be a bit less proud of the Canadian policy on the environment :-([/quote]

Well, Gordon, much as I agree that the Alberta tar sands projects have a big enviornmental footprint the truth is they&#039;re just filling a market need.  At least Canada holds them to higher standards than a lot of countries would.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/nuclear-trade-group-spends-13m-on-us-lobbying-which-is-next-to-nothing/#comment-4064"><b>Gordon said:</b></a></p>
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True, but if you saw some of the things that go on in Alberta to recover the tar sands, you&#8217;d be a bit less proud of the Canadian policy on the environment <img src='http://depletedcranium.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<p>Well, Gordon, much as I agree that the Alberta tar sands projects have a big enviornmental footprint the truth is they&#8217;re just filling a market need.  At least Canada holds them to higher standards than a lot of countries would.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler, it is sad to me that someone would have such passion and misplace it into such angry and misguided beliefs and intentions.   You are so full of anger and hatred that I can&#039;t help but think there are deeper issues in your life and emotional health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler, it is sad to me that someone would have such passion and misplace it into such angry and misguided beliefs and intentions.   You are so full of anger and hatred that I can&#8217;t help but think there are deeper issues in your life and emotional health.</p>
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		<title>By: Tdub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tdub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;4057&quot;][quote comment=&quot;4053&quot;]When they close the 4GW Nanticoke Generating Station, the largest coal burning plant in Canada, which is scheduled to happen in 2014, coal will drop to only 15% of the country&#039;s energy mix.[/quote]

Cutting back that much is something you and other Canadians should be proud of.[/quote]

Absolutely. The problem will be getting another CANDU station built in Ontario without public and political backlash and the associated immense cost overruns. Unfortunately most people simply do not understand that if we want clean, reliable and efficient energy at high capacities &lt;i&gt;now&lt;/i&gt;, nuclear is our best option. &lt;i&gt;Especially for Canada&lt;/i&gt;, which has very rich Uranium deposits that could sustain domestic power production for millennia.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/nuclear-trade-group-spends-13m-on-us-lobbying-which-is-next-to-nothing/#comment-4057"><b>drbuzz0 said:</b></a></p>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/nuclear-trade-group-spends-13m-on-us-lobbying-which-is-next-to-nothing/#comment-4053"><b>DV82XL said:</b></a></p>
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When they close the 4GW Nanticoke Generating Station, the largest coal burning plant in Canada, which is scheduled to happen in 2014, coal will drop to only 15% of the country&#8217;s energy mix.</p>
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<p>Cutting back that much is something you and other Canadians should be proud of.</p>
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<p>Absolutely. The problem will be getting another CANDU station built in Ontario without public and political backlash and the associated immense cost overruns. Unfortunately most people simply do not understand that if we want clean, reliable and efficient energy at high capacities <i>now</i>, nuclear is our best option. <i>Especially for Canada</i>, which has very rich Uranium deposits that could sustain domestic power production for millennia.</p>
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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
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		<dc:creator>drbuzz0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gordon, if I seem to be unusually patient and tolerant of this it is because I&#039;ve gotten very use to this kind of inflammatory response.   It still gets to me a little, but not all that much.   I just shake my head and roll my eyes at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon, if I seem to be unusually patient and tolerant of this it is because I&#8217;ve gotten very use to this kind of inflammatory response.   It still gets to me a little, but not all that much.   I just shake my head and roll my eyes at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;4080&quot;]
I think everyone here can tell who the real coward is.[/quote]

On this we are completely in agreement. 

Dave G and DV82XL I am also in agreement on regarding the character of this person.   Drbuzz0, is being ridiculously tolerant and open with the response to this.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/nuclear-trade-group-spends-13m-on-us-lobbying-which-is-next-to-nothing/#comment-4080"><b>TYLER said:</b></a></p>
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<p>I think everyone here can tell who the real coward is.</p>
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<p>On this we are completely in agreement. </p>
<p>Dave G and DV82XL I am also in agreement on regarding the character of this person.   Drbuzz0, is being ridiculously tolerant and open with the response to this.</p>
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		<title>By: Finrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;4080&quot;]I think everyone here can tell who the real coward is.[/quote]

You got that bit right. We can also tell who the real poser is.

Tyler, I am someone who favors the use of nuclear power. It is my considered opinion, after taking into account all the facts and information at my disposal, and analysing the situation to the best of my personal ability, that a wholesale shift to the use of power generated by nuclear fission is by far the best policy that humanity could currently pursue worldwide in order to secure a sustainable, wealthy, humane and open future. I want to see the impoverished regions of the world develop to the point where they become bastions of wealth, well-being, liberty and enlightenment. I want to see the already developed regions of the Earth continue their upward momentum without cost to the future and the present. I want to see an enlightened human civilisation establish itself and secure its seat for a future without foreseeable limits. This is why I support nuclear power. There is, to the best of my knowledge, no hope of accomplishing any of those goals without it.

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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/nuclear-trade-group-spends-13m-on-us-lobbying-which-is-next-to-nothing/#comment-4080"><b>TYLER said:</b></a></p>
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I think everyone here can tell who the real coward is.</p>
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<p>You got that bit right. We can also tell who the real poser is.</p>
<p>Tyler, I am someone who favors the use of nuclear power. It is my considered opinion, after taking into account all the facts and information at my disposal, and analysing the situation to the best of my personal ability, that a wholesale shift to the use of power generated by nuclear fission is by far the best policy that humanity could currently pursue worldwide in order to secure a sustainable, wealthy, humane and open future. I want to see the impoverished regions of the world develop to the point where they become bastions of wealth, well-being, liberty and enlightenment. I want to see the already developed regions of the Earth continue their upward momentum without cost to the future and the present. I want to see an enlightened human civilisation establish itself and secure its seat for a future without foreseeable limits. This is why I support nuclear power. There is, to the best of my knowledge, no hope of accomplishing any of those goals without it.</p>
<p>Is this what you want to torture and kill me for?</p>
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