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		<title>By: Chuck P.</title>
		<link>http://depletedcranium.com/note-to-missouri-politicans-perpetual-motion-bad-investment/comment-page-1/#comment-24613</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 13:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;24611&quot;]...I’ve bookmarked  your website and is going to back[/quote]

If spammers are going to post comments like this, the least they could do is use coherent english.</description>
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&#8230;I’ve bookmarked  your website and is going to back</p>
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<p>If spammers are going to post comments like this, the least they could do is use coherent english.</p>
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		<title>By: Finrod</title>
		<link>http://depletedcranium.com/note-to-missouri-politicans-perpetual-motion-bad-investment/comment-page-1/#comment-23484</link>
		<dc:creator>Finrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;23483&quot;]I yet to read anyones opinion that has support to back their opinioniated claims, as yours Finrod fall with in the same catagories. I would love to debate subjects of the matter, but would need to find someone knowledgeable enough to debate other then express alleged claims. Have a wonderful weekend[/quote]

Whatever, man. It&#039;s your town. You have a good weekend too.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/note-to-missouri-politicans-perpetual-motion-bad-investment/#comment-23483"><b>JB said:</b></a></p>
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I yet to read anyones opinion that has support to back their opinioniated claims, as yours Finrod fall with in the same catagories. I would love to debate subjects of the matter, but would need to find someone knowledgeable enough to debate other then express alleged claims. Have a wonderful weekend</p>
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<p>Whatever, man. It&#8217;s your town. You have a good weekend too.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://depletedcranium.com/note-to-missouri-politicans-perpetual-motion-bad-investment/comment-page-1/#comment-23483</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not claiming whether they are or are not, everyone has a right to their opinion as it should be noted that it is an opinion and only an opinion. I yet to read anyones opinion that has support to back their opinioniated claims, as yours Finrod fall with in the same catagories. I would love to debate subjects of the matter, but would need to find someone knowledgeable enough to debate other then express alleged claims. Have a wonderful weekend</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not claiming whether they are or are not, everyone has a right to their opinion as it should be noted that it is an opinion and only an opinion. I yet to read anyones opinion that has support to back their opinioniated claims, as yours Finrod fall with in the same catagories. I would love to debate subjects of the matter, but would need to find someone knowledgeable enough to debate other then express alleged claims. Have a wonderful weekend</p>
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		<title>By: Finrod</title>
		<link>http://depletedcranium.com/note-to-missouri-politicans-perpetual-motion-bad-investment/comment-page-1/#comment-23468</link>
		<dc:creator>Finrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. It seems that MadScientist and themadscientist are different people, or so themadscientist claims. I can&#039;t see any real reason to doubt the claim, because I can&#039;t see what anyone would have to gain by pretending they were two different people with very similar nicks in the first place.

It is fairly clear that the conversation you&#039;ve quoted from was a bit of chitchat between Odessa locals, not a scholarly disputation between academics, so I&#039;m not sure why anyone expected themadscientist to come up with a peer-reviewed scientific paper on it. By the way, for what it&#039;s worth, themadscientist is spot on. Manna is a scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. It seems that MadScientist and themadscientist are different people, or so themadscientist claims. I can&#8217;t see any real reason to doubt the claim, because I can&#8217;t see what anyone would have to gain by pretending they were two different people with very similar nicks in the first place.</p>
<p>It is fairly clear that the conversation you&#8217;ve quoted from was a bit of chitchat between Odessa locals, not a scholarly disputation between academics, so I&#8217;m not sure why anyone expected themadscientist to come up with a peer-reviewed scientific paper on it. By the way, for what it&#8217;s worth, themadscientist is spot on. Manna is a scam.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://depletedcranium.com/note-to-missouri-politicans-perpetual-motion-bad-investment/comment-page-1/#comment-23465</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 17:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This link will also provide more clarification as to my post regarding the so called madscientist.

http://skepticblog.org/2010/03/08/another-energy-scam/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This link will also provide more clarification as to my post regarding the so called madscientist.</p>
<p><a href="http://skepticblog.org/2010/03/08/another-energy-scam/" rel="nofollow">http://skepticblog.org/2010/03/08/another-energy-scam/</a></p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 17:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully this link can clarify some of my earlier comments,

http://www.trailswestgrapevine.com/forums/display_topic/id_635/page_1/</description>
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<p><a href="http://www.trailswestgrapevine.com/forums/display_topic/id_635/page_1/" rel="nofollow">http://www.trailswestgrapevine.com/forums/display_topic/id_635/page_1/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Finrod</title>
		<link>http://depletedcranium.com/note-to-missouri-politicans-perpetual-motion-bad-investment/comment-page-1/#comment-23463</link>
		<dc:creator>Finrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;23462&quot;]The below material was taken from another forum in which themadscientist as he likes to call himself makes scientfic claims to the Magnetic Technology, that he nor anyone else has done the proper testing and research to support such claims[/quote]

You haven&#039;t linked to the post in question, or explained themadscientist&#039;s position in enough detail for anyone to really get what your talking about here.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/note-to-missouri-politicans-perpetual-motion-bad-investment/#comment-23462"><b>JB said:</b></a></p>
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The below material was taken from another forum in which themadscientist as he likes to call himself makes scientfic claims to the Magnetic Technology, that he nor anyone else has done the proper testing and research to support such claims</p>
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<p>You haven&#8217;t linked to the post in question, or explained themadscientist&#8217;s position in enough detail for anyone to really get what your talking about here.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The below material was taken from another forum in which themadscientist as he likes to call himself makes scientfic claims to the Magnetic Technology, that he nor anyone else has done the proper testing and research to support such claims 

Dear Mr. Mad Scientist:



You&#039;ve written standard internet  polemics, but have not written a scientific paper.  Manna of Utah will succeed and hire people here, or it won&#039;t.  The outcome will matter, but the pre-outcome debate won&#039;t.  I&#039;m not offended that you have an opinion, and have no reason to think you&#039;re wrong or right, but I do wish you wouldn&#039;t make science look bad by claiming more than you&#039;re doing. 



A scientific writing has three parts.  Part one is to write a testable hypothesis.  You&#039;ve done the hypothesis part for Manna&#039;s generators, but it could be tough to do a real test without having either a working generator or some help from Manna.



Part two of a scientific paper is to describe the hypothesis test methods and results.  I think you&#039;ve given us three bits of evidence, none of them scientifically valid.  One of the evidences in your links is that many people agree with your hypothesis, but that&#039;s not really evidence;  many people also once agreed that night air caused malaria.

Your other tests allege violations of the accepted thermodynamic principle that it isn&#039;t possible to create energy.  One of the ways you come at that is to say Manna people claim the generator isn&#039;t a perpetual motion machine, so therefore it must be.  That notion requires an assumption you didn&#039;t prove.  You also say that because you can&#039;t think of any way the machine could work without creating energy, it can&#039;t work.  But pure ignorance isn&#039;t a test.  I don&#039;t understand how computers work either, but we know they do.



After writing a hypothesis and describing test results, a scientific paper will discuss possible conclusions that can be based on the results.  Since you have neither real tests nor real results, you&#039;re left with an unproven hypothesis, or an opinion.



Finally, it&#039;s fine for you to have an opinion and to express it.  It isn&#039;t fine to confuse opinion with science.</description>
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<p>Dear Mr. Mad Scientist:</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve written standard internet  polemics, but have not written a scientific paper.  Manna of Utah will succeed and hire people here, or it won&#8217;t.  The outcome will matter, but the pre-outcome debate won&#8217;t.  I&#8217;m not offended that you have an opinion, and have no reason to think you&#8217;re wrong or right, but I do wish you wouldn&#8217;t make science look bad by claiming more than you&#8217;re doing. </p>
<p>A scientific writing has three parts.  Part one is to write a testable hypothesis.  You&#8217;ve done the hypothesis part for Manna&#8217;s generators, but it could be tough to do a real test without having either a working generator or some help from Manna.</p>
<p>Part two of a scientific paper is to describe the hypothesis test methods and results.  I think you&#8217;ve given us three bits of evidence, none of them scientifically valid.  One of the evidences in your links is that many people agree with your hypothesis, but that&#8217;s not really evidence;  many people also once agreed that night air caused malaria.</p>
<p>Your other tests allege violations of the accepted thermodynamic principle that it isn&#8217;t possible to create energy.  One of the ways you come at that is to say Manna people claim the generator isn&#8217;t a perpetual motion machine, so therefore it must be.  That notion requires an assumption you didn&#8217;t prove.  You also say that because you can&#8217;t think of any way the machine could work without creating energy, it can&#8217;t work.  But pure ignorance isn&#8217;t a test.  I don&#8217;t understand how computers work either, but we know they do.</p>
<p>After writing a hypothesis and describing test results, a scientific paper will discuss possible conclusions that can be based on the results.  Since you have neither real tests nor real results, you&#8217;re left with an unproven hypothesis, or an opinion.</p>
<p>Finally, it&#8217;s fine for you to have an opinion and to express it.  It isn&#8217;t fine to confuse opinion with science.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for the Great content with regards to this subject.
I personally own a few generators simply because you never know when you will be needing them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for the Great content with regards to this subject.<br />
I personally own a few generators simply because you never know when you will be needing them</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you watch the YouTube video of the &quot;generator&quot;, you can see that there are several large batteries in the bottom of the frame.  I&#039;m sure the people who visited Florida saw the thing continue to &quot;run&quot; even after it was disconnected from the external power source.

Duh.</description>
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<p>Duh.</p>
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