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		<title>By: Mobiltelefoner dreper neppe bier &#124; unfiltered perception</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mobiltelefoner dreper neppe bier &#124; unfiltered perception</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] om at mobilstråling påvirker biene og fører til massedød. Ser man på USA viser det seg at det ikke finnes noen sammenheng mellom områder med god mobildekning og bienes massedød. De områder hvor det er rapportert mest [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] om at mobilstråling påvirker biene og fører til massedød. Ser man på USA viser det seg at det ikke finnes noen sammenheng mellom områder med god mobildekning og bienes massedød. De områder hvor det er rapportert mest [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shar</title>
		<link>http://depletedcranium.com/no-cell-phones-are-not-killing-bees/comment-page-1/#comment-25451</link>
		<dc:creator>Shar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 01:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first time I&#039;ve ever stumbled into this website, except for Jason, what a bunch of ARROGANT narrow minded, people!  Science is continually growing, and oftentimes, (hang on to your foil hats) changing! Meantime, rest those magnificant brains against those harmless phones and sleep tight!  I&#039;m out of here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first time I&#8217;ve ever stumbled into this website, except for Jason, what a bunch of ARROGANT narrow minded, people!  Science is continually growing, and oftentimes, (hang on to your foil hats) changing! Meantime, rest those magnificant brains against those harmless phones and sleep tight!  I&#8217;m out of here.</p>
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		<title>By: Shafe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 06:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the key point for me is that I&#039;d like to be excluded from the &quot;we&quot; that &quot;know[s] radiation is the main cause of cancer.&quot;

I was wondering if maybe Jason was using &quot;we&quot; to refer to himself and the mouse in his pocket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the key point for me is that I&#8217;d like to be excluded from the &#8220;we&#8221; that &#8220;know[s] radiation is the main cause of cancer.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was wondering if maybe Jason was using &#8220;we&#8221; to refer to himself and the mouse in his pocket.</p>
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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
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		<dc:creator>drbuzz0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 05:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We&quot; can also mean all of society or humanity in general, as in &quot;We&#039;ve come far in the past hundred years&quot; or to refer to collective knowledge like &quot;We now know mars has no complex life forms&quot; 

I think that is probably how he was using the &quot;We.&quot;   

Although I would not discount that he believes himself some kind of monarch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We&#8221; can also mean all of society or humanity in general, as in &#8220;We&#8217;ve come far in the past hundred years&#8221; or to refer to collective knowledge like &#8220;We now know mars has no complex life forms&#8221; </p>
<p>I think that is probably how he was using the &#8220;We.&#8221;   </p>
<p>Although I would not discount that he believes himself some kind of monarch.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 02:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I did a little looking on the allways accurate Wikipedia ---
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We

In English, the first-person plural pronoun, we, is used in both the inclusive sense (you and I) and exclusive sense (someone else and I but not you). It&#039;s also used as a majestic plural.
e.g.: Inclusive use with the speaker:

We can all go to the zoo today.
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This contrasts with exclusive we, which excludes the person being spoken to, e.g.:

We mean to stop your evil plans!
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Majestic plural:

We are not amused

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I really hope he was using the Majestic Plural form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I did a little looking on the allways accurate Wikipedia &#8212;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
We</p>
<p>In English, the first-person plural pronoun, we, is used in both the inclusive sense (you and I) and exclusive sense (someone else and I but not you). It&#8217;s also used as a majestic plural.<br />
e.g.: Inclusive use with the speaker:</p>
<p>We can all go to the zoo today.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
This contrasts with exclusive we, which excludes the person being spoken to, e.g.:</p>
<p>We mean to stop your evil plans!<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Majestic plural:</p>
<p>We are not amused</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>I really hope he was using the Majestic Plural form.</p>
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		<title>By: Shafe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;24533&quot;]We know radiation is the main cause of cancer.[/quote]
Who&#039;s &quot;we,&quot; White Man?</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/no-cell-phones-are-not-killing-bees/#comment-24533"><b>Jason said:</b></a></p>
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We know radiation is the main cause of cancer.</p>
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<p>Who&#8217;s &#8220;we,&#8221; White Man?</p>
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		<title>By: I'mnotreallyhere</title>
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		<dc:creator>I'mnotreallyhere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;24533&quot;]So maybe this experiment does not prove this but does it prove it is not the case either?  A lot of scientists seem worried, and look at the other science behind cell phone dangers.  There was a huge study a couple weeks ago that found people who use phones morew than 30 minutes a day were at a very high risk of deadly brain cancer.  Did you see that one?[/quote]

Yeah, actually we did.

drbuzz0 even wrote about it: http://depletedcranium.com/cell-phone-study-and-how-it-was-reported/

But just to save you some of the trouble, a quick extract:

[quote]Based on the headlines, you might think that the study proved a link between cell phones and cancer. You might also think it didn’t. You might think that it’s inconclusive. Here are just a few of the headlines from various news sources:

The Scotsman: “Study links mobile phone use to brain tumours”
CP24 (Toronto News): “More than 30 mins of cell use/day increases cancer risk: study”
The Australian: “Industry study shows brain tumour link to heavy mobile phone usage”
Sydney Morning Herald: “Mobile phone-cancer link possible: study”
Wire Update: “INTERPHONE finds no increased risk of brain cancer from mobile phone use”
AFP: “Study finds no brain cancer link to mobile phone use”
BBC News : “WHO study on mobile phone cancer risk ‘inconclusive‘”
CTV News: “Link between cellphones, brain cancer ‘inconclusive’”
ABC News Australia: “Calls for more phone cancer research”
CBS News: “Cell Phone-Brain Cancer Link Deemed Inconclusive”
Independent Online: “WHO: No clear answer on cellphones and cancer”
CourierMail: “Brain cancer link to mobile phones”
Boston Herald: “No proof of cell phone, cancer tie”
Time Magazine: “Cell Phones and Cancer: a Study’s Muddled Findings”
Montreal Gazette: “Cellphone users shouldn’t relax yet: Cancer study”

BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ALL THESE HEADLINES REFER TO THE SAME STUDY![/quote]

Yeah. That study.

Annoyingly, you almost have a valid point, there isn&#039;t any solid evidence to justify the conclusion that mobile phones &lt;i&gt;aren&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; killing bees...

Except that colony collapse disorder appears in no way linked to the intensity or coverage of cell phone networks globally. &quot;Proving&quot; a negative is almost imopssible. The onus is always on the proof of a positive correlation, an observable effect.

The link between the two is semi-logical I admit. Bees, flying creatures, small, potentially perturbed by small scale effects in the air. Mobile phones, low power transmission through the air all the time, modern technology being put into place in the past decade or so. Colony Collapse Disorder, relatively new idea.

To be honest though, you could say that about almost any new technology. What about global warming causing CCD? The rise of AIDS? Increased divorce rates?</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/no-cell-phones-are-not-killing-bees/#comment-24533"><b>Jason said:</b></a></p>
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So maybe this experiment does not prove this but does it prove it is not the case either?  A lot of scientists seem worried, and look at the other science behind cell phone dangers.  There was a huge study a couple weeks ago that found people who use phones morew than 30 minutes a day were at a very high risk of deadly brain cancer.  Did you see that one?</p>
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<p>Yeah, actually we did.</p>
<p>drbuzz0 even wrote about it: <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/cell-phone-study-and-how-it-was-reported/" rel="nofollow">http://depletedcranium.com/cell-phone-study-and-how-it-was-reported/</a></p>
<p>But just to save you some of the trouble, a quick extract:</p>
<blockquote><p>Based on the headlines, you might think that the study proved a link between cell phones and cancer. You might also think it didn’t. You might think that it’s inconclusive. Here are just a few of the headlines from various news sources:</p>
<p>The Scotsman: “Study links mobile phone use to brain tumours”<br />
CP24 (Toronto News): “More than 30 mins of cell use/day increases cancer risk: study”<br />
The Australian: “Industry study shows brain tumour link to heavy mobile phone usage”<br />
Sydney Morning Herald: “Mobile phone-cancer link possible: study”<br />
Wire Update: “INTERPHONE finds no increased risk of brain cancer from mobile phone use”<br />
AFP: “Study finds no brain cancer link to mobile phone use”<br />
BBC News : “WHO study on mobile phone cancer risk ‘inconclusive‘”<br />
CTV News: “Link between cellphones, brain cancer ‘inconclusive’”<br />
ABC News Australia: “Calls for more phone cancer research”<br />
CBS News: “Cell Phone-Brain Cancer Link Deemed Inconclusive”<br />
Independent Online: “WHO: No clear answer on cellphones and cancer”<br />
CourierMail: “Brain cancer link to mobile phones”<br />
Boston Herald: “No proof of cell phone, cancer tie”<br />
Time Magazine: “Cell Phones and Cancer: a Study’s Muddled Findings”<br />
Montreal Gazette: “Cellphone users shouldn’t relax yet: Cancer study”</p>
<p>BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ALL THESE HEADLINES REFER TO THE SAME STUDY!</p>
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<p>Yeah. That study.</p>
<p>Annoyingly, you almost have a valid point, there isn&#8217;t any solid evidence to justify the conclusion that mobile phones <i>aren&#8217;t</i> killing bees&#8230;</p>
<p>Except that colony collapse disorder appears in no way linked to the intensity or coverage of cell phone networks globally. &#8220;Proving&#8221; a negative is almost imopssible. The onus is always on the proof of a positive correlation, an observable effect.</p>
<p>The link between the two is semi-logical I admit. Bees, flying creatures, small, potentially perturbed by small scale effects in the air. Mobile phones, low power transmission through the air all the time, modern technology being put into place in the past decade or so. Colony Collapse Disorder, relatively new idea.</p>
<p>To be honest though, you could say that about almost any new technology. What about global warming causing CCD? The rise of AIDS? Increased divorce rates?</p>
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		<title>By: hadr0n</title>
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		<dc:creator>hadr0n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 12:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the increase in organic farming could be related to the increase in phenomena like CCD and sudden oak death?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the increase in organic farming could be related to the increase in phenomena like CCD and sudden oak death?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 07:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;24533&quot;]
It might seem nice to deny it but we&#039;re all in this boat because our world is so flooded with radiation.[/quote]

Yes, the world is flooded with radiation.  Go outside during the day sometime.  See that big, bright orange thing up in the sky?  It&#039;s called the sun, and it is bombing us with killer ionizing UV rays of cancerous death.

As Ranger Gord once pointed out, we must destroy the sun before it kills us all!</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/no-cell-phones-are-not-killing-bees/#comment-24533"><b>Jason said:</b></a></p>
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<p>It might seem nice to deny it but we&#8217;re all in this boat because our world is so flooded with radiation.</p>
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<p>Yes, the world is flooded with radiation.  Go outside during the day sometime.  See that big, bright orange thing up in the sky?  It&#8217;s called the sun, and it is bombing us with killer ionizing UV rays of cancerous death.</p>
<p>As Ranger Gord once pointed out, we must destroy the sun before it kills us all!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 05:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;24533&quot;]So maybe this experiment does not prove this but does it prove it is not the case either?  A lot of scientists seem worried, and look at the other science behind cell phone dangers.  There was a huge study a couple weeks ago that found people who use phones morew than 30 minutes a day were at a very high risk of deadly brain cancer.  Did you see that one?

You know what bad science is?  It is saying &quot;No, Cell Phones Are Not Killing Bees!&quot; because you don&#039;t know this for sure!

You can just say, okay, maybe the data is not totally proven but you can&#039;t say it&#039;s proven harmless.

I am very worried about all this radiation we&#039;re exposed to and exposing other life on the planet to.  More and more science says it causes cancer.  What might it do to other animals?

You can&#039;t escape it these days and I know people who it is making very sick with headaches and tiredness.

Who is to say it is not causing more harm?

We are so obsessed with carbon pollution, I think we forgot about radio pollution and electro pollution.  Chances are, it is more dangerous.  We know radiation is the main cause of cancer.  We can&#039;t keep this up.

What about you?  What about your family?

It might seem nice to deny it but we&#039;re all in this boat because our world is so flooded with radiation.[/quote]


Bring on the fruit loops with foil hats. 

Jason - please do some research. Read something - something printed on paper and peer reviewed. The study you refer to said no such thing. 20 years of studies have said no such thing. Please do not take my word for it - read it yourself and use the brain you were born with. 

(anyone want to know why I quit teaching?)</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/no-cell-phones-are-not-killing-bees/#comment-24533"><b>Jason said:</b></a></p>
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So maybe this experiment does not prove this but does it prove it is not the case either?  A lot of scientists seem worried, and look at the other science behind cell phone dangers.  There was a huge study a couple weeks ago that found people who use phones morew than 30 minutes a day were at a very high risk of deadly brain cancer.  Did you see that one?</p>
<p>You know what bad science is?  It is saying &#8220;No, Cell Phones Are Not Killing Bees!&#8221; because you don&#8217;t know this for sure!</p>
<p>You can just say, okay, maybe the data is not totally proven but you can&#8217;t say it&#8217;s proven harmless.</p>
<p>I am very worried about all this radiation we&#8217;re exposed to and exposing other life on the planet to.  More and more science says it causes cancer.  What might it do to other animals?</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t escape it these days and I know people who it is making very sick with headaches and tiredness.</p>
<p>Who is to say it is not causing more harm?</p>
<p>We are so obsessed with carbon pollution, I think we forgot about radio pollution and electro pollution.  Chances are, it is more dangerous.  We know radiation is the main cause of cancer.  We can&#8217;t keep this up.</p>
<p>What about you?  What about your family?</p>
<p>It might seem nice to deny it but we&#8217;re all in this boat because our world is so flooded with radiation.</p>
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<p>Bring on the fruit loops with foil hats. </p>
<p>Jason &#8211; please do some research. Read something &#8211; something printed on paper and peer reviewed. The study you refer to said no such thing. 20 years of studies have said no such thing. Please do not take my word for it &#8211; read it yourself and use the brain you were born with. </p>
<p>(anyone want to know why I quit teaching?)</p>
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