Jenny McCarthy Explains the Cause of Autism
April 11th, 2008
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On Larry King Live. For those who don’t know too much about Larry King, his show has gone down hill in the past few years, which is really pretty amazing because it wasn’t good to begin with. He’s got a long history of having a lot of ridiculous claims on his show by persons of dubious credentials and background. I could even tell a story about once when I called in and got to talk to a screener – I was rejected because my question would have been a bit harsh on the “psychic” being interviewed at the time. So it’s not surprising that he’s lent his microphone (Which isn’t even really plugged in. The big mic is for show) to someone like Jenny McCarthey.
He also has a few “experts” not all of whom seem to really be expert in anything besides spouting a lot of sensational and unsubstantiated claims.
(This video has been updated. It is the same video but it has now had someone else’s blog name removed and also had some noise reduction applied to the sound track which was very badly degraded by noise in the original recording)
- She has a kid with autism (but it does not make her any kind of an expert in the medical/biological aspects)
- She used to be really hot in the early 1990’s
- She is still pretty decent looking, but not like she was.
- In 1993 she posed for playboy and everyone saw her chacha and things of that nature
- In 1994 she was playmate of the year
- She co-hosted a dating show on MTV
- She was in a few movies, including: The Stupids, BASEketball, Scary Movie 3 and John Tucker Must Die.
- It was reported on Howard Stern that she had some girl on girl encounters and a lot of guys thought that was really hot.
So with these qualifications she wrote a book about Autism. (or well.. her name is on it as author, but whether she “wrote” it… well who knows). She went on a bunch of TV shows and talked about autism and her son. Her son it seems started to display signs of developmental problems around age one and a half, which was not long after he got the MMR vaccine. Therefore, this is obviously the cause of it… just like the peanut brittle factory killed my grandfather.
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May 8th, 2008 at 2:38 am
mercury is a known neuro toxin
alumnium is a known neuro toxin
I don’t want aborted fetal cells injected into me
I don’t want diseased genetically modified monkey spleen injected into me
I went to post natal yoga. There were 20 babies in the group. 4 of the babies were non-vaccinated. All 4, rolled over first, sat first, walked first, spoke first, had no eczema, no breathing difficulties, the kids are now 5. None have had any significant illness. My kids have never seen a GP, never had paracetamol, never had antibiotics. My son is so strong, he broke his leg and did not even cry. He has also been spotted as a potentially advanced and gifted – I am pretty sure this would not be the case if he was violated by the needle.
People like me have common sense, and take personal responsibility for the health of our kids. Mine do not eat highly processed, packaged, preservative filled, colourful plastic junk.
We take responsibility, and do not give in to the fear generated by Dr’s that get paid a bonus for every shot they give – I want to see the figures on the rates of vaccinated Dr’s kids, many GP’s shoot up other peoples kids but not their own, funny isn’t it……
Measles – Can make your child blind! Who wants a blind child – not me – but I do not pass the responsibility to my Dr, I do not vaccinate against Measles, but I make sure my kid gets Vitamin A, which prevents measles taking hold and causing dangerous outcomes.
vaccinating is expensive and LAZY.
Oh, by the way: SAFE? NO! Effective?……………………………
I was vaccinated against Measles – got them at age 19
I was vaccinated against Mumps – got them at age 6
I was vaccinated for Typhoid, Cholera, Tetannus at age 15, 2 weeks later I developed Chronic ill health, it took me 10 years to heal.
Conventional medicine did nothing. I got better with Osteopathy, massage, Naturopathy and GASP!….. Homeopathy…………OOOOO! you guys would love that! The mode of action of Homeopathy is too advanced for the current paradigm that science clings too by its fingernails, and is explainable by Quantum Physics, which is probably a bit too hard for you poor vaccine brain damaged people to understand….what a shame.
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May 8th, 2008 at 2:45 am
Oh and also, Japan trialled non vaccination of babies – and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome disappeared. Funny that.
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May 8th, 2008 at 3:01 am
DV82XL said:
I have a BSc(ClinSc) and a BSc(OstSc), I am a primary health care practitioner. I am legally required to diagnose patients, unlike other types of Integral Medical practices. I have spent 15 years and thousands of hours talking to and palpating the bodies of people in pain and suffering from disease. I studied Osteopathy for 5 years. My grandfather wrote the Physics text you probably used at school, my father studied medicine, my brother is a Physics Professor. I have been steeped in science and medicine my whole life.
What is Quackery anyway? If what I do is Quackery, then Quackery helps people, heals people, gives them back their personal power and responsibility for their health. OK, you have back pain. The GP gives you anti inflammatory meds, which erode your stomach lining and interfere with healing, pain killers, which numb your pain and increases the risk of re-injury, OR you could see me for advice about what it is you are actually doing to cause your body to ‘fail’ mechanically, so you can change habits, you will be told to rest to let the damaged tissue heal, and you will have your twisted hip released so your spinal musculature can function under effective mechanics. What is so wrong with that?
Oh, and I am not the devil here, my patients actually think of me in more esteemed fashion and often hug me, thank me for all I’ve done for them and even say they love me….Pretty nice way to spend my working life.
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May 8th, 2008 at 3:16 am
drbuzz0 said:
Show me the data that shows Autism rates in vaccinated vs un-vaccinated populations are the same, therefore excluding Vaccines as a factor in the development of symptoms from the Autism Spectrum. Come on, we want to see the figures……anecdotal evidence shows – NO Autism in Amish non-vaccinated populations…..why has this never been studied?
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May 8th, 2008 at 4:16 am
DV82XL said:
Nice, sign of intelligence calling someone a ‘troll’, how would you like it if I called you an ignoramus?
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May 8th, 2008 at 4:26 am
I AM A QUACK APPARENTLY, BUT THIS IS FOR YOU SKEPTICS:
This is a film of an interview the world’s leading vaccine research and developer:
FILM OF DR MAURICE HILLEMAN, WORLD RENOWNED EXPERT ON VACCINES, HEAD OF VACCINE DEVELOPMENT FOR MERCK, ONE OF THE WORLDS LARGEST PRODUCERS OF VACCINES
-Admits Polio was on a natural decline BEFORE the vaccine was released
-Admits the vaccine did not really work
-Admits vaccines were infected with animal viruses, carcinogenic viruses
-Admits thousands of Russians given Merck produced vaccines became sick, and that was why the Americans did so well in the Olympics that year-bizarre
Plus lots more scary revelations…….enjoy……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgBBwOnmy3w
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May 8th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Dr Abigail said:
I’ve been called worse and by bigger nitwits than you. How about this: I consider you little better than a criminal. You are a fraud and your patients are victims.
You are Dr Abigail Abbott, an Australian Osteopath and as I suspected, a quack. You have no standing and no expertise that gives you the right to hold a medical opinion on these matters.
Absolutely nothing you have written here against the practice of vaccination has been established by proper scientific means and you are displaying your ignorance, or attempting to play to the ignorance of the reader by stating that they confer no benefits and cause health problems.
Since you are stating the contrary opinion here you are expected to back up your B.S. with references to properly vetted and peer reviewed sources and we will talk – until then you are nothing but noise.
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May 8th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Dr Abigail said:
This is one of the ridiculous arguments you hear all the time about how vaccines are not the reason there no longer is Polio or Smallpox or something like that. The fact is that Polio and other diseases had been in decline since Pasture introduced germ theory because before that there was no way to avoid them at all. Once sanitation was established it was possible to make a difference.
Does this mean sanitation alone can stop disease? Certainly not. It was possible to dramatically reduce transmission once we had come out of the dark ages when doctors preformed surgery without even washing their hands, but sanitation, as important as it is, only gets you so far.
Polio, for example, although an understanding of germ theory helped a lot, it was still pretty common, even in the best settings. A very wealthy person from a wealthy and powerful family which would have had maids, butlers and so on and had their settings clean and the best food and so on would be less likely to get something like polio, but it still happened even to those in the best settings. Example: http://teachpol.tcnj.edu/amer_pol_hist/fi/0000016a.jpg
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May 8th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Dr Abigail said:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
If he were here, Heisenberg would cry. That is one thing I am *certain* of
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May 8th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Dr Abigail said:
No!
Now, back to lurking.
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May 8th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Where does the idea come from that vaccines are somehow unnatural or opposing the way the body is supposed to work?
A vaccine works perfectly with nature and is a great way of using the capabilities of the immune system. The whole point of a vaccine is to stimulate the body to create its own antibodies by giving it the exposure to the pathogen’s characteristic chemistry or structure but to do so without causing an actual infection!
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Q said:
Vaccines do not work like nature. In nature, we are exposed to pathogens via contact with skin, mucous membranes in the mouth, nose or throat if breathed in, and the mucous membranes of the stomach and bowel if ingested.
Vaccines use mutated live pathogens or parts of killed pathogens (killed by mercury or formaldehyde) these are then mixed with preservatives (to extend shelf life and therefore transportability and profitability) this is then injected directly into the bloodstream. The body has to deal with an ‘abnormal’ pathogen, and the liver has to deal with processing the toxic additives in the shot, rather than get on with the job of helping the body go through a healthy immune reaction.
In natural contact, the pathogen sits outside the body, in contact with the skin/membrane. This allows a slow, controlled recognition and detection of the pathogen by the immune system. Mostly the immune system kicks in , and an infection is averted. If the host is susceptible, immuno-suppressed, depressed, stressed, tired, deficient in nutrition etc, they will become open to a full blown infection. Whooping cough and meningococcal pathogens live ‘normally’ in our throats. Whether or not we become sick depends on our individual state.
Everything I have said here is found in every common physiology text.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
The truth is nothing you have said above is found in every common physiology text. It has all come from the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind, you fraud.
Post links to any common physiology text that, for example, says that pathogens for vaccines are killed with mercury. The fact is that you cannot making you a baldfaced liar. This sort of mendacity might pass on the sort of websites that believe in this nonsense, but it will get no traction here.
Post proof or piss-off.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
DV82XL said:
You have found out my identity, and admitted I am Dr Abbott , Osteopath, and I do have the qualifications I stated. That is fine.
Then you say I have no standing or medical expertise – but you just admitted I have studied Primary health care? Who has the standing and expertise then? People who have not studied science at a degree level?
I have studied anatomy,(including cadaver dissection) physiology, advanced physiology, biology, medical biology, chemistry, organic chemistry, physics, pathology, rheumatology, biomechanics, physical examination, radiology, neurology, neurological assessment, epidemiology, paediatrics, obstetrics.
I have approximately 10,000 hours of experience talking to patients, taking a full case history, doing a full physical examination, then actually feeling their body, and amalgamating their personal medical history with palpatory findings in the spine, skull, pelvis, thorax, abdominal organs, pelvic organs etc
Would this not put me in an ideal position to comment on these matters?
As for research, it is carried out with those with an interest to increase the profit of the Pharma company and its shareholders. Research that can indeed categorically prove that non vaccinated populations do not have Autism spectrum disorders are not supported financially. Current research is one sided.
My patients are not victims. My patients obtain relief from pain, and wonderful things happen. Just this year I have had 3 women, diagnosed with functional infertility become pregnant, 2 after 3 treatments, 1 after 1 treatment. If they are victims, then they are victims of fulfilling their hearts desire to experience the joys of motherhood.
Answer this question for me:
20-30 years ago, there were 4-5 vaccines administered to children, and this was seen to be safe, and now we can look retrospectively and say, yes, that was more or less safe, with some efficacy.
Now kids have up to 50 potential vaccinations. Vaccines are not tested before release, vaccines are assumed safe and tested “on the market”. How can ANYONE possibly know what this number of shots will do to our kids and how it will effect them in the future? Why are there massive increases in allergies and immune related disease? (asthma, eczema)
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May 13th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
DV82XL said:
Why do you think there is mercury in vaccines in the first place? T kill the pathogen, because mercury kills all biological organisms.
thimerosal, thiomersal, thiomersalate
a mercury-containing compound used as a local antibacterial agent in the form of the tincture. Used also as a preservative in pharmaceutical preparations. Known as Merthiolate.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Thimoseral
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May 13th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Dr Abigail said:
WHAT? NO! Vaccines are always tested like any drug long before approval. There are always numerous tests and studies in-house at any drug company which develops a vaccine starting with culture and animal tests before human tests.
These must be presented along with other information on the nature of the vaccine in order to get approval for human trials. This is the case with any drug.
In the United States, the FDA must approve the drug. As noted here: http://www.fda.gov/Cber/vaccine/vacappr.htm
Only after it has been approved for human testing and gone through the three-phase battery of tests can the FDA begin the hearing for licensing approval. There are opportunities for any information consuming possible dangers to be presented for review.
The CDC also reviews vaccines before issuing any recommendation that they be used.
This is in the United States, but all modern countries have a similar system for review and approval of drugs and vaccines.
On the other hand, anything labeled “Herbal” or “Homeopathic” or “Natural” gets a free pass. No approval. No oversite. Nobody even makes sure it has what it says it has in it. In general, the FDA and FTC will only step in and start actively suppressing sales of such products after there have been several deaths from them!
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May 13th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
by AVN
http://avn.org.au/library/index.php/vaccination-information/10-reasons-why-parents-question-vaccination.html
01 March 2006
For some time now, members of the government and the medical industry have tried to explain away the phenomenon of parental refusal to vaccinate. Despite the government’s own studies, such as Rogers and Pilgrim; 1993, which shows that “Older, highly educated parents form the basis of the [sic] anti-immunisation lobby”, parents continue to be accused of being ignorant, uncaring and stupid for refusing vaccines which the medical community claim will keep their children healthy.
In an effort to set the record straight, the AVN, which is contacted by more than 10,000 Australian parents each year who question this procedure, would like to give you the 10 most common reasons why the parents who contact us have chosen not to vaccinate.
1 – Vaccines have never been tested.
The gold standard of medical science is the double blind crossover placebo study. This test has never been performed on any vaccine currently licensed in Australia. In an astounding leap of logic, contrary to all rules of science, vaccines are assumed to be safe and effective and therefore, it is considered to be unethical to withhold vaccinations for the purposes of testing them.
2 – Vaccines contain toxic additives and heavy metals.
The list of vaccine ingredients includes toxins such as formaldehyde, a substance which the Queensland Poisons Control Centre has said was “unsafe at any level if injected into the human body”; carbolic acid, also a strong poison which was implicated in deaths and serious injuries in a recent Sydney hospital mishap; aluminium which is linked with the development of Alzheimer’s disease and allergies; and Thiomersal, a mercury-based preservative which is a known neurotoxin and whose inclusion in vaccination sparked a series of Congressional hearings which saw the US Government and the AAP (American Academy of Paediatrics) call for its immediate withdrawal from any vaccine product and which was withdrawn over two years ago in the USA from any over-the-counter medicines . It was also withdrawn from the American Hepatatis B vaccines, Engerix and HB Vax II, though their Australian counterparts which are still being injected into children here today, are only just being made mercury free or mercury reduced (though the old, mercury-laced stocks will be used up rather than being withdrawn from use).
3 – Vaccines are contaminated with human and animal viruses and bacteria
All childhood vaccines, apart from the Hepatitis B (which is genetically engineered and carries with it a different set of problems,) are cultured on either animal tissue, a broth of animal and/or human blood and blood products or the cell lines from aborted human foetuses. None of these culturing methods is able to guarantee an uncontaminated vaccine. In fact, it is well known that many foreign viruses and bacteria can and do contaminate vaccines. Almost none of these contaminants have been studied. The few which have been leave many parents concerned about the long-term effects of injecting these substances into their children. For instance, SV 40 (simian or monkey virus 40 – just one of 60 monkey viruses known to contaminate the polio vaccines) has been linked with cancers in humans; there is a chicken retrovirus which contaminates the measles and mumps vaccines called Reverse Transcriptase. This substance, an ancient non-human DNA code, is thought to switch on the HIV virus and cause it to become AIDS in humans; AIDS itself has been linked with a virus called SIV (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus) which contaminated both the polio and smallpox vaccines; the current MMR (measles mumps rubella) and other vaccines which contain bovine (cow) blood products are thought to be able to spread the human and always fatal form of mad cow disease, Creutzfeld-Jacobs disease, more readily than eating contaminated meat.
4 – Vaccines can cause serious immediate side effects.
As long as there have been vaccines, there have been reports of serious side effects following their administration. These side effects include (but are not limited to) convulsions and epilepsy, permanent brain damage, anaphylactic (life threatening allergic) reactions, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS), retinal and brain haemorrhages (now being confused with Shaken Baby Syndrome) and death.
5 – Vaccines can cause serious long-term side effects.
According to medical reports, children are now less healthy than they have ever been before. More than 40% of all children now suffer from chronic conditions , something that was unheard of prior to mass vaccination. Vaccines have been associated with such conditions as Asthma, Eczema, Food Allergies, Chronic Ear Infections, Insulin Dependent Diabetes, Arthritis, Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis, Autism, Attention Deficit Disorder, Ulcerative Colitis, Irritable Bowel Syndrome, Hyperactivity, Schizophrenia, Multiple Sclerosis, Cancer and a raft of other chronic and auto-immune conditions which are experiencing dramatic rises in incidence.
6 – Vaccines do not necessarily protect against infectious diseases.
For many years, parents were told that once a child was fully vaccinated, they would be protected for life. That has now turned into a series of life-long boosters that are still not able to protect either children or adults from infectious diseases. For the very real risk of both short and long-term side effects from vaccines, parents are asked to allow their children to be given vaccines that at best, will provide a temporary sensitisation to illnesses and at worst, can make their children more susceptible to both opportunistic and infectious illness. As evidenced by the recent whooping cough outbreak in SA, the only Australian state which actually records vaccination status in cases of infectious illness, 87% of all those who contracted whooping cough and whose vaccination status was known were fully and appropriately vaccinated. In fact, Australian government statistics have shown that the majority of outbreaks in Australia occur in those who have been either fully vaccinated or were too young to be fully vaccinated.
7 – Doctors, as paid salesmen for vaccine products, are no longer considered to be trustworthy arbiters of their safety and effectiveness.
Doctors are currently receiving several payments from the government to push vaccines. These include $6 for reporting vaccinations to the Australian Childhood Immunisation Register (ACIR), a national database which tracks vaccination status in our children and which has been called “a back-door Australia Card”; $18.50 on top of their Medicare rebate for vaccinating a child on time; and a bulk payment at the end of each year based upon them having a practice vaccination rate in excess of 80%. These payments can add up to many tens of thousands of dollars in a busy inner-city practice.
As a result of this grossly unethical situation, doctors can no longer be thought of as objective when it comes to this issue. Parents no longer trust that their doctors will recommend that they vaccinate simply because it is the best thing for their child rather than the best thing for the doctor’s bottom line.
8 – Pharmaceutical companies have paid for almost all vaccine research to date.
Just as the tobacco companies paid for corrupt and incorrect research which purported to show that tobacco and tobacco products were safe for human consumption, so too the pharmaceutical companies have paid for and produced almost all of the research into vaccines. While the Australian government continues to spend literally hundreds of millions of dollars a year in promoting and implementing vaccination campaigns (an example is the $292 million earmarked for vaccination against Meningococcal this year alone!) and little or no money on independent research, parents will continue to mistrust the research that has been performed by vested interests. After all, companies are by their very definition commercial concerns which are motivated by profit. There is nothing that would make a pharmaceutical company intrinsically more ethical and therefore more trustworthy than a tobacco company.
In addition, it is a little-known fact that the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA), the government body which licenses and registers vaccines and other medical products, does not perform any tests whatsoever to verify pharmaceutical company claims of safety or effectiveness.
9 – Doctors and health professionals rarely if ever report vaccine reactions.
In discussions with representatives of both ADRAC (The Adverse Drug Reactions Advisory Committee) and the SAEFVSS (Serious Adverse Events Following Vaccination Surveillance Scheme), the two government bodies charged with keeping track of reactions to vaccines and other drugs, the AVN’s representatives were informed that less than 10% of all adverse reactions are ever reported. This means that the government’s claims of vaccine safety are admittedly 90% incorrect. In addition, the AVN’s adverse reactions database currently contains details on more than 800 serious adverse vaccine reactions. Not one of these reactions was ever reported by the doctors or health professionals involved. Parents cannot rely on data with that wide a margin of error when they are dealing with the health and well-being of their children.&
10 – Some childhood illnesses have beneficial aspects and therefore, prevention may not necessarily be in the best interests of the child.
Measles, for example, has been used in Scandinavian countries to successfully treat such autoimmune conditions as eczema and many studies have performed which show that children who do not contract measles naturally as a child are more likely to suffer from certain cancers later in life. In addition, recent studies have shown that contracting the common childhood illnesses help to prime and strengthen the immune system in a way that vaccinations just cannot do. This priming means that children are much less likely to suffer from the now common allergic and autoimmune conditions that plague them today. Conditions such as asthma, diabetes and cancer. In addition, vaccinated mothers cannot confer passive immunity to their children even if they have contracted the wild form of the disease. This immunity used to protect all children during their vulnerable first months and years. Now, a vaccinated mother will give birth to a child who will be susceptible to these infections when, prior to vaccines, they would normally have been immune.
Vaccination is a medical procedure. It should never, ever be mandated. Nor should there ever be any coercion, financial or social penalties for those parents who have chosen, as is their right under the law, not to take the above risks on behalf of their children.
Unvaccinated children continue to be among the healthiest children in our society. They are no more the carriers of disease than any other healthy person. It is the government’s responsibility to do the necessary research to ensure that procedures they are recommending for all Australian families are as safe and effective as they possibly can be. It is also their responsibility to keep vested interests honest. On both counts, this government has failed in its duty of care to our most vulnerable resource – our children.
Every one of the points raised above deserves critical examination and public discussion and the parents who ask these questions deserve respect, not vilification.
References:
1. – C. Wilson; Chronic Exposure and Human Health (1993), McFarland & Company taken from Our Toxic Times Feb 1997 pgs 18 & 19
2. New Scientist, 2/11/96 “Dirty Secrets”
3. Aluminium phosphate but not calcium phosphate stimulates the specific IgE response in guinea pigs to tetanus toxoid.; Allergy 1978 Jun;33(3):155-9
4. Studies on the toxicities of aluminium hydroxide and calcium phosphate as immunological adjuvants for vaccines.; Vaccine 1993;11(9):914-8
5. Staying Below the Limit-Manufacturers to Remove Mercury Used in Vaccines; By Lauran Neergaard; The Associated Press; July 8, 1999.
6. Federal Register: April 22, 1998 (Volume 63, Number 77)
7. Hepatitis B Immunization Linked to Autoimmune Rheumatic Diseases Two abstracts being presented at the 62nd Annual Meeting of the American College of Rheumatology (held November 8-12, 1998, in San Diego, California)
8. First central nervous system demyelination and hepatitis B vaccination: a pilot case control study; REVUE NEUROLOGIQUE (Paris) 2000;156(3):242-246
9. Simian virus-40 linked to human giant cell tumors; Genes Chromosomes Cancer 2000;28:23-30.
10. SV-40 and Polio Vaccine; http://www.ccid.org/ASV40.html
11. Washington Post ; December 9, 1995; Unexpected Protein Found in Measles-Mumps Vaccine
12. Aids: the big mistake?; May 28, 2000, The Sunday Times
13. Children ‘face BSE risk from infected jabs’ Daily Express March 30, 2000
14. Vaccines not containing human albumin and vaccines to avoid the risk of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, European Journal of Pediatrics; Volume 159 Issue 3 (2000) pp 222-222
15. Vaccine Information Statement (VIS) http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/VIS/default.htm “As with every medicine, vaccines carry a small risk of serious harm, such as severe allergic reaction or even death. Seizure (jerking or staring)————6 of every 10,000 doses (or 1 in 333 fully vaccinated children)”
16. Pediatrics 1997 Nov;100(5):767-71 MMR2 immunization at 4 to 5 years and 10 to 12 years of age: a comparison of adverse clinical events after immunization in the Vaccine Safety Datalink project. The Vaccine Safety Datalink Team.
17. Immunological aspects of demyelinating diseases. [Review] [171 refs] Annual Review of Immunology. 10:153-87, 1992.
18. J Okla State Med Assoc 1996 Apr;89(4):135-8; Perverse reactions to pertussis vaccine by government medical agencies; Sepkowitz S
19. Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology 1999 Feb;103(2 Pt 1):321-5; A clinical analysis of gelatin allergy and determination of its causal relationship to the previous administration of gelatin-containing acellular pertussis vaccine combined with diphtheria and tetanus toxoids.; Nakayama T, Aizawa C, Kuno-Sakai H
20. Baraff, LJ, Ablon, WJ, Weiss, RC; Possible temporal association between diphtheria-tetanus toxoid pertussis vaccination and sudden infant death syndrome; Pediatric Infections Diseases; Jan-Feb 1983; 2 (1) 7-11.
21. Characteristics of DPT Postvaccinal Deaths and DPT-caused Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS): A Review William C. Torch, Reno, NV, Neurology 36 (Suppl 1) April 1986
22. Give us this day our daily germs; Graham A.W. RookA and John L. Stanford; Immunology Today 1998, 19:113-116
23. Lancet, June 29, 1996
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May 13th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
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May 13th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Dr Abigail said:
I have said elsewhere on this site why I use this screen name, and I am well know by it all over the web.
Hg was (note the past tense) strictly as a preservative. If you knew anything about the preparation and manufacturing of vaccines (which you obviously do not) I doubt you would have made such a fundamental error.
You have still not posted links to any common physiology text with your assertions from post 62 – did you think a stream of written diarrhea would make me forget?
You are a fraud a quack and a liar.
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May 13th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
drbuzz0 said:
The gold standard of medical science is the double blind crossover placebo study. This test has never been performed on any vaccine currently licensed in Australia
You did not answer the question about the assumed safety of multiple injections.
The individual shots can be tested on a group of people, but NO STUDIES ON THE ACCUMULATED EFFECTS OF MULTIPLE vaccines have been done, or can be done, until our children have grown into adulthood and the detrimental effect of multiple shots has become evident..
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May 13th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Dr Abigail said:
See now a REAL scientist would have said ‘to determine if detrimental effects of multiple shots wrer evident.’
Typical of the mercury militia, conclusion first.
Where are my textbook references?
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May 14th, 2008 at 12:21 am
DV82XL said:
My dear, most studies are performed with the conclusion in mind. That is how you design a study.
Layered defense in immunity
The immune system protects organisms from infection with layered defenses of increasing specificity. Most simply, physical barriers prevent pathogens such as bacteria and viruses from entering the organism. If a pathogen breaches these barriers, the innate immune system provides an immediate, but non-specific response. Innate immune systems are found in all plants and animals.[2] However, if pathogens successfully evade the innate response, vertebrates possess a third layer of protection, the adaptive immune system, which is activated by the innate response. Here, the immune system adapts its response during an infection to improve its recognition of the pathogen. This improved response is then retained after the pathogen has been eliminated, in the form of an immunological memory, and allows the adaptive immune system to mount faster and stronger attacks each time this pathogen is encountered.[3]
Components of the immune system Innate immune system Adaptive immune system
Response is non-specific Pathogen and antigen specific response
Exposure leads to immediate maximal response Lag time between exposure and maximal response
Cell-mediated and humoral components Cell-mediated and humoral components
No immunological memory Exposure leads to immunological memory
Found in nearly all forms of life Found only in jawed vertebrates
Both innate and adaptive immunity depend on the ability of the immune system to distinguish between self and non-self molecules. In immunology, self molecules are those components of an organism’s body that can be distinguished from foreign substances by the immune system.[4] Conversely, non-self molecules are those recognized as foreign molecules. One class of non-self molecules are called antigens (short for antibody generators) and are defined as substances that bind to specific immune receptors and elicit an immune response.[5]
[edit] Surface barriers
Several barriers protect organisms from infection, including mechanical, chemical and biological barriers. The waxy cuticle of many leaves, the exoskeleton of insects, the shells and membranes of externally deposited eggs, and skin are examples of the mechanical barriers that are the first line of defense against infection.[5] However, as organisms cannot be completely sealed against their environments, other systems act to protect body openings such as the lungs, intestines, and the genitourinary tract. In the lungs, coughing and sneezing mechanically eject pathogens and other irritants from the respiratory tract. The flushing action of tears and urine also mechanically expels pathogens, while mucus secreted by the respiratory and gastrointestinal tract serves to trap and entangle microorganisms.[6]
Chemical barriers also protect against infection. The skin and respiratory tract secrete antimicrobial peptides such as the β-defensins.[7] Enzymes such as lysozyme and phospholipase A2 in saliva, tears, and breast milk are also antibacterials.[8][9] Vaginal secretions serve as a chemical barrier following menarche, when they become slightly acidic, while semen contains defensins and zinc to kill pathogens.[10][11] In the stomach, gastric acid and proteases serve as powerful chemical defenses against ingested pathogens.
Within the genitourinary and gastrointestinal tracts, commensal flora serve as biological barriers by competing with pathogenic bacteria for food and space and, in some cases, by changing the conditions in their environment, such as pH or available iron.[12] This reduces the probability that pathogens will be able to reach sufficient numbers to cause illness. However, since most antibiotics non-specifically target bacteria and do not affect fungi, oral antibiotics can lead to an “overgrowth” of fungi and cause conditions such as a vaginal candidiasis (yeast infection).[13] There is good evidence that re-introduction of probiotic flora, such as pure cultures of the lactobacilli normally found in yoghurt, helps restore a healthy balance of microbial populations in intestinal infections in children and encouraging preliminary data in studies on bacterial gastroenteritis, inflammatory bowel diseases, urinary tract infection and post-surgical infections.[14][15][16]
[edit] Innate immunity
For more details on this topic, see Innate immune system.
Microorganisms that successfully enter an organism will encounter the cells and mechanisms of the innate immune system. The innate response is usually triggered when microbes are identified by pattern recognition receptors, which recognize components that are conserved among broad groups of microorganisms.[17] Innate immune defenses are non-specific, meaning these systems respond to pathogens in a generic way.[5] This system does not confer long-lasting immunity against a pathogen. The innate immune system is the dominant system of host defense in most organisms.[2]
[edit] Humoral and chemical barriers
[edit] Inflammation
For more details on this topic, see Inflammation.
Inflammation is one of the first responses of the immune system to infection.[18] The symptoms of inflammation are redness and swelling, which are caused by increased blood flow into a tissue. Inflammation is produced by eicosanoids and cytokines, which are released by injured or infected cells. Eicosanoids include prostaglandins that produce fever and the dilation of blood vessels associated with inflammation, and leukotrienes that attract certain white blood cells (leukocytes).[19][20] Common cytokines include interleukins that are responsible for communication between white blood cells; chemokines that promote chemotaxis; and interferons that have anti-viral effects, such as shutting down protein synthesis in the host cell.[21] Growth factors and cytotoxic factors may also be released. These cytokines and other chemicals recruit immune cells to the site of infection and promote healing of any damaged tissue following the removal of pathogens.[22]
[edit] Complement system
For more details on this topic, see Complement system.
The complement system is a biochemical cascade that attacks the surfaces of foreign cells. It contains over 20 different proteins and is named for its ability to “complement” the killing of pathogens by antibodies. Complement is the major humoral component of the innate immune response.[23][24] Many species have complement systems, including non-mammals like plants, fish, and some invertebrates.[25]
In humans, this response is activated by complement binding to antibodies that have attached to these microbes or the binding of complement proteins to carbohydrates on the surfaces of microbes. This recognition signal triggers a rapid killing response.[26] The speed of the response is a result of signal amplification that occurs following sequential proteolytic activation of complement molecules, which are also proteases. After complement proteins initially bind to the microbe, they activate their protease activity, which in turn activates other complement proteases, and so on. This produces a catalytic cascade that amplifies the initial signal by controlled positive feedback.[27] The cascade results in the production of peptides that attract immune cells, increase vascular permeability, and opsonize (coat) the surface of a pathogen, marking it for destruction. This deposition of complement can also kill cells directly by disrupting their plasma membrane.[23]
[edit] Cellular barriers of the innate system
A scanning electron microscope image of normal circulating human blood. One can see red blood cells, several knobby white blood cells including lymphocytes, a monocyte, a neutrophil, and many small disc-shaped platelets.
A scanning electron microscope image of normal circulating human blood. One can see red blood cells, several knobby white blood cells including lymphocytes, a monocyte, a neutrophil, and many small disc-shaped platelets.
Leukocytes (white blood cells) act like independent, single-celled organisms and are the second arm of the innate immune system.[5] The innate leukocytes include the phagocytes (macrophages, neutrophils, and dendritic cells), mast cells, eosinophils, basophils, and natural killer cells. These cells identify and eliminate pathogens, either by attacking larger pathogens through contact or by engulfing and then killing microorganisms.[25] Innate cells are also important mediators in the activation of the adaptive immune system.[3]
Phagocytosis is an important feature of cellular innate immunity performed by cells called ‘phagocytes’ that engulf, or eat, pathogens or particles. Phagocytes generally patrol the body searching for pathogens, but can be called to specific locations by cytokines.[5] Once a pathogen has been engulfed by a phagocyte, it becomes trapped in an intracellular vesicle called a phagosome, which subsequently fuses with another vesicle called a lysosome to form a phagolysosome. The pathogen is killed by the activity of digestive enzymes or following a respiratory burst that releases free radicals into the phagolysosome.[28][29] Phagocytosis evolved as a means of acquiring nutrients, but this role was extended in phagocytes to include engulfment of pathogens as a defense mechanism.[30] Phagocytosis probably represents the oldest form of host defense, as phagocytes have been identified in both vertebrate and invertebrate animals.[31]
Neutrophils and macrophages are phagocytes that travel throughout the body in pursuit of invading pathogens.[32] Neutrophils are normally found in the bloodstream and are the most abundant type of phagocyte, normally representing 50% to 60% of the total circulating leukocytes.[33] During the acute phase of inflammation, particularly as a result of bacterial infection, neutrophils migrate toward the site of inflammation in a process called chemotaxis, and are usually the first cells to arrive at the scene of infection. Macrophages are versatile cells that reside within tissues and produce a wide array of chemicals including enzymes, complement proteins, and regulatory factors such as interleukin 1.[34] Macrophages also act as scavengers, ridding the body of worn-out cells and other debris, and as antigen-presenting cells that activate the adaptive immune system.[3]
Dendritic cells (DC) are phagocytes in tissues that are in contact with the external environment; therefore, they are located mainly in the skin, nose, lungs, stomach, and intestines.[35] They are named for their resemblance to neuronal dendrites, as both have many spine-like projections, but dendritic cells are in no way connected to the nervous system. Dendritic cells serve as a link between the innate and adaptive immune systems, as they present antigen to T cells, one of the key cell types of the adaptive immune system.[35]
Mast cells reside in connective tissues and mucous membranes, and regulate the inflammatory response.[36] They are most often associated with allergy and anaphylaxis.[33] Basophils and eosinophils are related to neutrophils. They secrete chemical mediators that are involved in defending against parasites and play a role in allergic reactions, such as asthma.[37] Natural killer (NK cells) cells are leukocytes that attack and destroy tumor cells, or cells that have been infected by viruses.[38]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_system#Layered_defense_in_immunity
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May 14th, 2008 at 12:30 am
DV82XL said:
If you are so well known, why have I not heard of you before? Why should I assume you are a reasonable person to have an educated debate with? WHO ARE YOU? WHY ARE YOU HIDING? What are your reasons for assuming a false name? Why do you use a nonsense screen name?
You have made a fundamental error. MERCURY IS A PRESERVATIVE – what do preservatives do? How do they preserve? They kill micro organisms…..What is your point exactly? Preservatives in food – act to kill or inhibit the growth of micro organisms.
have a look, I have posted many links and references. Check my recent posts
REVEAL YOUR IDENTITY IF YOU WANT ANY CREDIBILITY
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May 14th, 2008 at 1:14 am
Dr Abigail said:
No quack, all legitimate studies start with a hypothesis A conclusion comes when you have proven, or rejected it. But you wouldn’t know that because the pseudosciences that you follow have their own rules don’t they.
You have posted nothing but a dump from an anti-vaccination website, that contain no references whatsoever of value. (which is still in moderation as I post this, but it showed up on the feed) References to articles in popular magazines don’t count in academic papers.
And then a dump from wikipedia? Do you think we are morons or as easy to fool as your victims.. err patients?
Mercury is not use to kill viruses as as step in prepossessing them for vaccines, as you insinuated and never have been. Mercury compounds were use at one point as a preservative to extend shelf life. This practice been discontinued by in large. Preservatives in food act in all sorts of ways, not only preventing infection, but also by stabilizing unwanted chemical and physical reactions in the product.
As for my identity sweetheart, you don’t get to choose who you debate with here. If you post to this forum you are the guest of Doc Buzzo, that means you don’t get to dictate terms. I don’t need credibility you see, because I am not the one asserting nonsense that flies in the face of excepted scientific fact and common practices. You are. Therefor the onus is on you to prove your statements, and the onus is on you to establish credibility. Which you haven’t
You practice quackery, your ‘profession’ is running a confidence game on your victims – if they actually have something serious all of you are quick to have them see a real physician for ‘co-treatment’ in the full knowledge that law would skin you if you did not and they died under your ‘care.’ You see I have read the websites that tell the alternate medicine community how to manage their practices and they are under no illusions are they.
But if you don’t want to debate with me then simply stop posting, I won’t stalk you elsewhere – but post here and I will be all over you like dirt. Ask any of the regulars.
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May 14th, 2008 at 2:12 am
DV82XL said:
- Well, why study something unless you have due cause. I have in my mind that administration of multiple vaccines may cause future health issues. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t ask the question in the first place. When constructing the design for the research, I would need to factor in the possibility that no harmful effects are seen, or the possibility that harmful effects are seen. Do you not think that Big Pharma construct their research around finding what they want to find? I personally think that Big Pharma make their own rules. What makes your truth more valuable than mine?
I ask again, what are your qualifications?
You have posted nothing but a dump from an anti-vaccination website, that contain no references whatsoever of value. (which is still in moderation as I post this, but it showed up on the feed) References to articles in popular magazines don’t count in academic papers.
And then a dump from wikipedia? Do you think we are morons or as easy to fool as your victims.. err patients?
- the text from wiki is simply human physiology, as taught to most high school or undergraduate students. Go to your local book shop and buy a book on immune system physiology and read it.
Mercury is not use to kill viruses as as step in prepossessing them for vaccines, as you insinuated and never have been. Mercury compounds were use at one point as a preservative to extend shelf life. This practice been discontinued by in large. Preservatives in food act in all sorts of ways, not only preventing infection, but also by stabilizing unwanted chemical and physical reactions in the product.
As for my identity sweetheart, you don’t get to choose who you debate with here. If you post to this forum you are the guest of Doc Buzzo, that means you don’t get to dictate terms. I don’t need credibility you see, because I am not the one asserting nonsense that flies in the face of excepted scientific fact and common practices. You are. Therefor the onus is on you to prove your statements, and the onus is on you to establish credibility. Which you haven’t
- Who says science is immune (pardon the pun) to mistakes?
Science once thought the earth was flat – wrong
science once said the sun revolved around the earth – wrong
science once thought it would be a really good idea to give pregnant women thalidomide -wrong
science once thought it was a good idea to bring cane toads into Australia -wrong
You practice quackery, your ‘profession’ is running a confidence game on your victims – if they actually have something serious all of you are quick to have them see a real physician for ‘co-treatment’ in the full knowledge that law would skin you if you did not and they died under your ‘care.’
You see I have read the websites that tell the alternate medicine community how to manage their practices and they are under no illusions are they.
But if you don’t want to debate with me then simply stop posting, I won’t stalk you elsewhere – but post here and I will be all over you like dirt. Ask any of the regulars.
- But, who are you and why not expose your identity? Come on, can you not even tell me your qualifications?
Hannah Poling Autism-Vaccine Case: Implications for ME/CFS-labelled patients Abstract When Hannah Poling was 19 months old she was administered 9 vaccines simultaneously and just 48 hours afterwards, her health began to deteriorate. She developed a fever and her temperature soared to 38.9°C. She cried inconsolably, was irritable, lethargic and refused to walk. Over the next 4 months her growth and movement decreased, rashes appeared on her abdomen and she began to display autistic behaviours including fixation on television, poor eye contact, spinning and disrupted sleep. Tests and muscle biopsy carried out by her father (a neurologist at John Hopkins University in the USA) and his colleagues indicated specific genetic mutations in her mitochondrial DNA (mt-DNA), Type 1 muscle fibre atrophy and abnormal levels of various metabolic products in her blood stream (elevated lactic acid, serum creatine kinase level, and aspartate aminotransferase). The findings were published in the Journal of Clinical Pathology along with a retrospective study of 159 other ASD patients. [1] Hannah’s parents applied for vaccine damages in order to pay for the ‘one-to-one’ specialist care that she will probably require for the rest of her life. In 2007, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) made the decision to award the Poling family compensation from the federal vaccine injury fund after they conceded that immunisations given to her at 19 months old had aggravated a rare underlying mitochondrial condition that resulted in a brain disorder ‘with features of autism spectrum disorder’. The outcome of this case has raised questions about how safe vaccines are for those with potentially undiagnosed metabolic or mitochondrial disorders. It has been claimed by government-appointed experts that such disorders are rare, but a review of available literature does not tally with this conclusion. In this paper the basic scientific background on metabolic and mitochondrial disorders, their prevalence, origin and precipitating factors are described. Overall, it appears that metabolic disorders are far from rare and may in fact be widespread. Faulty metabolic and mitochondrial processes are also well documented in patients labelled with ME/CFS and this may be due to an inherited mitochondrial disorder and/or exposure to environmental pollutants and/or pathogens with a particular toxicity for mitochondrial DNA (mt-DNA). This hypothesis may better account for symptoms than that of the ‘aberrant immune response’ to environments that normal controls are able to withstand. Although some researchers claim that studies of immune markers validate such a conclusion, it is hard to see how this could be reliable without a proper study of the structure of mt-DNA and associated cellular energy production. Certainly the hypothesis that ‘stressors’ (including psychological stress) cause an aberrant immune response is not born out by patients’ experience with psychosocial treatments (e.g. tricyclic anti-depressants, CBT/GET). Patients have not reported positive results with such treatments in fact the opposite, with many claiming it made their symptoms worse. This is not surprising if there is insufficient cellular energy available in the mitochondria to cope with the demands of exercise programmes and furthermore it is known that drugs such as Amitriptyline and Prozac can make mitochondrial functioning worse. Combining exercise with such drugs therefore seems to be the worst possible treatment to offer those with underlying mitochondrial dysfunctions and poor energy production.
http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/news.php?start=2060&end=2080&view=yes&id=2471#newspost
see link for full report and references
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May 14th, 2008 at 2:20 am
The New York Times
Merck Wrote Drug Studies for Doctors
By STEPHANIE SAUL
Published: April 16, 2008
The drug maker Merck drafted dozens of research studies for a best-selling drug, then lined up prestigious doctors to put their names on the reports before publication, according to an article to be published Wednesday in a leading medical journal.
The article, based on documents unearthed in lawsuits over the pain drug Vioxx, provides a rare, detailed look in the industry practice of ghostwriting medical research studies that are then published in academic journals.
The article cited one draft of a Vioxx research study that was still in want of a big-name researcher, identifying the lead writer only as “External author?”
Vioxx was a best-selling drug before Merck took it off the market in 2004 over evidence linking it to heart attacks. Last fall, the company agreed to a $4.85 billion settlement to resolve tens of thousands of lawsuits filed by former Vioxx patients or their families.
The lead author of Wednesday’s article, Dr. Joseph S. Ross of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, said a close look at the Merck documents raised broad questions about the validity of much of the drug industry’s published research, because the ghostwriting practice appears to be widespread.
“It almost calls into question all legitimate research that’s been conducted by the pharmaceutical industry with the academic physician,” said Dr. Ross, whose article, written with colleagues, was published Wednesday in JAMA, The Journal of the American Medical Association. and posted Tuesday on the journal’s Web site.
Merck acknowledged on Tuesday that it sometimes hired outside medical writers to draft research reports before handing them over to the doctors whose names eventually appear on the publication. But the company disputed the article’s conclusion that the authors do little of the actual research or analysis.
The final work is the product of the doctor and “accurately reflects his or her opinion,” said a Merck lawyer, James C. Fitzpatrick.
And at least one of the doctors whose published research was questioned in Wednesday’s article, Dr. Steven H. Ferris, a New York University psychiatry professor, said the notion that the article bearing his name was ghostwritten was “simply false.” He said it was “egregious” that Dr. Ross and his colleagues had done no research besides mining the Merck documents and reading the published journal articles.
In an editorial, JAMA said the analysis showed that Merck had apparently manipulated dozens of publications to promote Vioxx.
“It is clear that at least some of the authors played little direct roles in the study or review, yet still allowed themselves to be named as authors,” the editorial said.
The editorial called upon medical journal editors to require each author to report his or her specific contributions to articles. “Journal editors also bear some of the responsibility for enabling companies to manipulate publications,” the editorial said.
JAMA itself published one of the Vioxx studies that was cited in Dr. Ross’s article.
In that case, in 2002, a Merck scientist was listed as the lead author. But Dr. Catherine D. DeAngelis, JAMA’s editor, said in a telephone interview on Tuesday that, even so, it was dishonest because the authors did not fully disclose the role of a ghostwriter.
“I consider that being scammed,” Dr. DeAngelis said. “But is that as serious as allowing someone to have a review article written by a for-profit company and solicited and paid for by a for-profit company and asking you to put your name on it after it was all done?”
Although the role of pharmaceutical companies in influencing medical journal articles has been questioned before, the Merck documents provided the most comprehensive look at the practice yet, according to one of the study’s four authors, Dr. David S. Egilman, a clinical associate medical professor at Brown University.
In the Vioxx lawsuits, millions of Merck documents were supplied to plaintiffs. Those documents were available to Dr. Egilman and Dr. Ross because they had served as consultants to plaintiffs’ lawyers in some of those suits.
Combing through the documents, Dr. Ross and his colleagues unearthed internal Merck e-mail messages and documents about 96 journal publications, which included review articles and reports of clinical studies. While the Ross team said it was not necessarily raising questions about all 96 articles, it said that in many cases there was scant evidence that the recruited authors made substantive contributions.
One paper involved a study of Vioxx as a possible deterrent to Alzheimer’s progression.
The draft of the paper, dated August 2003, identified the lead writer as “External author?” But when it was published in 2005 in the journal Neuropsychopharmacology, the lead author was listed as Dr. Leon J. Thal, a well-known Alzheimer’s researcher at the University of California, San Diego. Dr. Thal was killed in an airplane crash last year.
The second author listed on the published Alzheimer’s paper, whose name had not been on the draft, was Dr. Ferris, the New York University professor. Dr. Ferris, reached by telephone Tuesday, said he had played an active role in the research and he was substantially involved in helping shape the final draft.
“It’s simply false that we didn’t contribute to the final publication,” Dr. Ferris said.
A third author, also not named on the initial draft, was Dr. Louis Kirby, currently the medical director for the company Provista Life Sciences. In an e-mail message on Tuesday, Dr. Kirby said that as a clinical investigator for the study he had enrolled more patients, 109, than any of the other researchers. He also said he made revisions to the final document.
“The fact that the draft was written by a Merck employee for later discussion by all the authors does not in and of itself constitute ghostwriting,” Dr. Kirby’s e-mail message said.
The current editor of the journal Neuropsychopharmacology, Dr. James H. Meador-Woodruff, the chairman of psychiatry at the University of Alabama, Birmingham, said he was not the editor in 2005 but planned to investigate the accusations. “Currently, we have in place prohibitions against this,” Dr. Meador-Woodruff said.
http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/news.php?start=2060&end=2080&view=yes&id=2481#newspost
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May 14th, 2008 at 2:46 am
I have another question….its funny how no one answers my questions, just picks holes in my arguments, no comments given on the bulk of my comments.
Why do you think I am spending my time doing this?
What do I have to gain by putting myself up to the barrage of abuse, insults and defamatory comments?
I have learned how people vehemently defend their right to live in a vacuum of information that constructs their world paradigm. The trouble is, I enjoy being proved wrong, I enjoy widening my view of the world, constructing a new paradigm, one which enables us to move forward. You guys do not.
You may call me names and simply try to erase 15 years of my life experience, I can take it.
I can sleep at night knowing I am doing my best to do the right thing.
Why do you think people like me do not speak up more? Fear of being persecuted just like you all have persecuted me.
Why do we not have double blind crossover placebo controlled studies? Because we do not have financial support, and little time between raising a family, working in a practice etc
Think -why would I put myself up for this abuse? because I have love in my heart for the future of humanity.
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May 14th, 2008 at 2:52 am
It seems like most of you are not here to learn, just to destroy, and feed your ego by attacking and abusing others.
Have you been abused and attacked for simply and purely being yourself?
Maybe some healing and love and acceptance of yourself is in order.
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May 14th, 2008 at 2:58 am
You know you aren’t the first person to come here and try to shut down debate by flooding the page with words. It’s been tried several times when they have had their backs up against the wall because they can’t answer some simple questions, or they are trying to hide the fact that they have put their foot in their mouth.
We still have some items you haven’t addressed:
You made statements that you claimed were to be found in any textbook on physiology, yet you have yet to provide a list of titles, to back up that claim.
You have stated that Hg is used to kill pathogens as part of the process of manufacturing a vaccine, yet you have not produced any reference that backs up that statement.
You have made blatantly erroneous statements on the scientific method, demonstrating a total lack of understanding of Method.
You have not faced any criticism I have leveled against you, or your ideas except by trying to flood the page down with a smokescreen of material that you have copy-and-pasted from someplace else instead of facing the issues.
You are digging yourself a very deep hole here, and you are in the process of burying yourself in it.
I have asked you to address a few statements you have made here and you have avoided doing so. Please explain to me why I should, or you need my identity or qualifications before you can answer them. The fact is that you do not need them, and again you are with this demand, just trying to obscure the fact that you have been caught out making B.S. statements that you cannot substanciate with fact.
Now you can copy-and-paste as much as you want – I will keep coming back to your earlier statements until you address them, and then I will move on to the next set of nonsense statements you have made up thread and hold your feet to the fire until you answer those and so on. No amount of off-topic dren will stop me and I will make sure that no one here takes you seriously until you do.
You are way out of your water if you thing you can cross swords with me and get away with the sort of rhetorical maneuvering that impresses the stupids. @ssholes have tried before here and on other websites and failed miserably; you don’t stand a chance.
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May 14th, 2008 at 3:12 am
“It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong”
Voltaire
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May 14th, 2008 at 4:42 am
“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”
Abraham Lincoln
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May 14th, 2008 at 4:59 am
DV82XL said:
We still have some items you haven’t addressed:
You made statements that you claimed were to be found in any textbook on physiology, yet you have yet to provide a list of titles, to back up that claim.
You have stated that Hg is used to kill pathogens as part of the process of manufacturing a vaccine, yet you have not produced any reference that backs up that statement.
You have made blatantly erroneous statements on the scientific method, demonstrating a total lack of understanding of Method.
You have not faced any criticism I have leveled against you, or your ideas except by trying to flood the page down with a smokescreen of material that you have copy-and-pasted from someplace else instead of facing the issues.
You are digging yourself a very deep hole here, and you are in the process of burying yourself in it.
I have asked you to address a few statements you have made here and you have avoided doing so. Please explain to me why I should, or you need my identity or qualifications before you can answer them. The fact is that you do not need them, and again you are with this demand, just trying to obscure the fact that you have been caught out making B.S. statements that you cannot substanciate with fact.
Now you can copy-and-paste as much as you want – I will keep coming back to your earlier statements until you address them, and then I will move on to the next set of nonsense statements you have made up thread and hold your feet to the fire until you answer those and so on. No amount of off-topic dren will stop me and I will make sure that no one here takes you seriously until you do.
You are way out of your water if you thing you can cross swords with me and get away with the sort of rhetorical maneuvering that impresses the stupids. @ssholes have tried before here and on other websites and failed miserably; you don’t stand a chance.
Blah blah blah, you are just a bully. You are shutting down debate here, with me, a person with 2 degrees in science and 15 years experience in primary health care, with your aggressive, libelous bilious attitude.
If vaccines were safe and effective WE WOULD NOT EVEN BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. You are shutting me down, what are you scared of? Sharing? Learning?
The gold standard method for scientific research is a double blind crossover placebo controlled study – not done on vaccines, yet you bully me to show you such for my findings in these matters?
Hypocrisy.
Have you spent 10,000 hours taking case histories, doing physical examinations, performing treatment on people? That is why i want to know your qualifications – who the hell are you anyway? Not brave enough to put yourself on show? You people do not know me, yet have made libelous comments about me and my practice, and have enabled people googling my name to see your posts about me being a quack, liar, criminal etc. Pathetic.
I will leave this forum, I will leave you to your web of lies and falsehoods that make a lot of people a lot of money, people that spend a lot of time and money hoodwinking the public. You are just tying people in knots with fear, nasty words and personal attacks.
NO ONE IN THIS FORUM HAS ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS.
I am puzzled about your need for a link to the info I mentioned about the stages of immune response – every medical student has been taught the same thing, it is not rocket science! You must have no medical background, or else you would know that.
I do what I do out of love, pure and simple. You do what you do with fear and anger
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May 14th, 2008 at 5:35 am
DV82XL said:
Exactly. The time has come, we are no longer fooled into getting injected with multiple non safe non effective vaccines!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have forwarded this forum link to Michael Moore. I have done so as an example of how experienced medical practitioners are treated when aiming to expose injustice.
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May 14th, 2008 at 6:01 am
“Do you think we are morons or as easy to fool as your victims.. err patients?”
Why are my patients considered victims when I advise them on lifestyle, diet, healthy activity. I apply treatment to release hypertonic muscles, increase range of motion of the skull, spine and pelvis, perform fascial release to relieve postural strains and torsions. This increases the function of the body by addressing structural abnormalities. All is performed in a safe, caring environment. Patients with any sign of pathology or ‘red flags’ in the symptom picture are referred for specialist management.
I do not preach my personal agenda to patients, I only advise they make an informed decision, and use their instinct and personal feeling about the information they have found to decide.
What of the GP, whom advised injecting a local anesthetic into my daughters head, then 4 stitches to sew a wound. I asked if ‘glue’ could be used. ‘Yes’ he replied, well glue her then, rather than injecting a local, and penetrating her scalp with a suture needle? Would she not be a victim of poor medical choices if I had not questioned the procedure?
“As for my identity sweetheart, you don’t get to choose who you debate with here. If you post to this forum you are the guest of Doc Buzzo, that means you don’t get to dictate terms. I don’t need credibility you see, because I am not the one asserting nonsense that flies in the face of excepted scientific fact and common practices. You are. Therefor the onus is on you to prove your statements, and the onus is on you to establish credibility. Which you haven’t”
If you are dismissing my credibility, I want to know your experience and qualifications……..why should others reading this trust your opinion over mine? What exactly is scientific fact? Who decides? My scientific fact is based on life experience, what is your experience in these matters? You are talking nonsense in my opinion.
You dictated terms when you stalked me to expose my name and qualifications without being willing to expose yourself?
Do you have science/ medical qualifications or not? Who are you? How exactly are you qualified to debate this topic?
Answer the question.
“You practice quackery, your ‘profession’ is running a confidence game on your victims – if they actually have something serious all of you are quick to have them see a real physician for ‘co-treatment’ in the full knowledge that law would skin you if you did not and they died under your ‘care.’
So, what you are saying here is that I am qualified to diagnose Pathological conditions, and fulfill my medico legal responsibilities to refer the patient for further testing………….Yes, that is true. So what. Am I a Quack, or am I a safe practitioner? I know what I can manage with Osteopathic treatment, and what I can not. That makes me SAFE.
It sounds as if you are a bit mixed up and confused. Bless.
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May 14th, 2008 at 7:21 am
“You have stated that Hg is used to kill pathogens as part of the process of manufacturing a vaccine, yet you have not produced any reference that backs up that statement”.
Origins of the Mercury / Vaccine Controversy
The mercury / vaccine controversy began in 1997, when Frank Pallone, a Democratic congressman from New Jersey, attached an amendment to an FDA reauthorization bill, requiring the FDA to “compile a list of drugs and foods that contain intentionally introduced mercury compounds and [to] provide a quantitative and qualitative analysis of the mercury compounds in the list.” The bill later evolved into the landmark FDA Modernization Act of 1997 (FDAMA) and was signed into law on November 21, 1997.
The act also authorized the FDA to review and assess the risk of all mercury-containing food and drugs. In line with this review, U.S. vaccine manufacturers responded to a two requests in 1988 and 1989 FDA request to provide more detailed information about the thimerosal content of their preparations that included this compound as a preservative.
*********************Thimerosal has been used as an additive to biologics and vaccines since the 1930s because it is very effective in killing bacteria used in several vaccines and in preventing bacterial contamination, particularly in opened multidose containers. Some but not all of the vaccines recommended routinely for children in the United States contain thimerosal.
In 1999 the Public Health Service, US Dept of Health and Human Services and the American Academy of Pediatrics put out a “joint statement”, Thimerosal in Vaccines: A Joint Statement of the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Public Health Service, stating: “PHS and AAP continue to recommend that all children should be immunized against the diseases indicated in the recommended immunization schedule. Given that the risks of not vaccinating children far outweigh the unknown and much smaller risk, if any, of exposure to thimerosal-containing vaccines over the first 6 months of life, clinicians and parents are encouraged to immunize all infants even if the choice of individual vaccine products is limited for any reason.” However, in their research on mercury toxicity to the developing brain, Trasande, Landrigan and Schechter assert that “There is no evidence to date validating the existence of a threshold blood mercury concentration below which adverse effects on cognition are not seen”.
Thimerosal is a compound that is 49.6% mercury by weight. When pregnant women eat foods or take medicines that contain mercury, the mercury can be transferred to the developing fetus through the placenta. Infants can be exposed to mercury through foods, including breast milk, or medicines. Developing fetuses and young children are more susceptible to mercury exposure than adults because mercury can interfere with the developing nervous system.
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May 14th, 2008 at 7:26 am
Thimerosal has been used:
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to kill the bacteria that make the vaccine itself (e.g., whole cell pertussis vaccine)
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to kill bacteria that might enter the vaccine during the production process (e.g., influenza vaccine)
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as a preservative to prevent bacterial and fungal contamination of vaccines during their clinical use. In this case, thimerosal is added at the end of the production process either to the liquid vaccine itself or — in the case of dry powder vaccines — to the liquid used to dilute the vaccine
Unless used as a preservative, thimerosal contributes little to the final concentration of thimerosal in vaccine (at most 2 to 3 micrograms of thimerosal per milliliter of vaccine), so the chief concern has centered on thimerosal as a preservative. (2)
Although preservatives are not required for single-dose vaccine vials, preservatives are required to help prevent bacterial contamination of vaccine vials that contain many doses (2)
Why is this? Most multi-dose vaccines come in vials that are topped with a rubber-like stopper. With vials that contain many doses of vaccine, health care workers repeatedly pass needles through the stopper when drawing up later vaccine doses into the syringe and this can let bacteria enter the vial and contaminate the vaccine.
http://www.immunizationinfo.org/thimerosal_mercury_detail.cfv?id=3
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May 14th, 2008 at 9:09 am
Sorry – you have to provide references from someplace other than a link to another anti-vaccination website, particularly as the practice of using thimerosal as a preservative has stopped and none of the references posted there actually back up the statement in question here.
And you are still trying to hose down this page with verbiage, and yes I get to dictate terms in any debate where somebody is trying to convince me of something, to suggest otherwise is ludicrous on its face.
You don’t need to know anything else about me other than that I have questions about the veracity of some of the statements you have made here, and I don’t have to prove my qualifications before I doubt yours. That’s because I am not claiming expertise, nor am I making claims of fact. Dismissing your credibility is my prerogative in this situation – it is your task to establish it to MY satisfaction before I take what you say as true. You seem to forget what side you are on here.
So in short I do get to dictate terms because in the marketplace of ideas, the customer always gets to decide the terms – and I’m not buying until you meet mine.
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May 14th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Dr Abigail said:
I take it you mean Michael Moore of the SOUTHWEST SCHOOL of BOTANICAL Medicine, and not the fat, stupid, white guy that makes bad films,
Or didn’t you think I’d pick up on the difference. you pathetic name-dropper?
The only injustice here is that your kind are permitted to practice at all, and arrogate yourselves the title of Doctor, which in my opinion is mendacity of the worst kind.
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August 14th, 2008 at 3:42 am
To the male posters:
And oh by the way, it would be nice for once if a man – like the one who did post
an articulate message on here -saying he has an autistic child. Why can’t you as a man
or other smarter men on here also stick up for women in general and tell the others to not talk so sexist about a woman- Like Jenny McCarthy. Its very disturbing to read when you are a woman. I can tell you.
=> Wow, and how did I happen upon this sexist blog website or whatever you want to call it.
The messages written by Dr. Abigail are the most intelligent, articulate of the bunch and make sense.
I am going to take a wild guess and say its men posting some of the messages disparging someone
they have never met- not just judging Jenny McCarthy for her opinion on her son’s Autism- you have
to objectify her as a woman, and then body dissect. Its absolutely digusting how you men treat women
and how when you don’t agree with what a woman has said, you have to rip her apart by
saying what are her credentials and quote the playboy magazine you remember seeing her in.
and going into graphic detail about her body. What does that have to do with her quest to help her son?
Well, gee now, hmmm is it not you – men- that bought that magazine and looked at her?
Does that make you intelligent for even buying those magazines. Or are you buying the
New yorker instead. I highly doubt you buy that one. The men that are so angry
at women with these posts and dissing Dr. Abigail – probably are some blue collar
workers with grade 7 education breathing in fumes at your plumber job.
What critical thinkers on this scam website- trying to lambast others as Quacks. What the hell
are your credentials ( the owner of this website and posters?) To even state someone is a Quack.
Do you have multi degrees? And are you a highly esteemed professional and respected member of your community? Where most would listen to you spout off your so called science and ideas?
What is a Quack – I think it is you Men who have posted – putting down Jenny McCarthy in the first place
and maybe you need to get your rubber ducky’s returned to the store. Quack Quack.
Just because you don’t agree with something- does not mean you have to put a woman down by
dissecting her by her body parts and trying to minimize her intelligence. As that says a lot about you
just doing that. Does that make you feel good doing that? Were you a bully in school?
I think so.
She is a mother, and that in itself makes her an expert on her child. Watch this, see that. From point A to B.
Who does these studies? You so badly want to see.? Big corporations and pharmaceutical companies that want to make money and keep on making money for the vaccines. Of course they will make sure there are studies saying there is no link. No matter what topic of discussion you come up with- always always
when you research you will find studies on both sides. And the ignoramus that you male posters are
on this site saying these things won’t believe the correlated link studies anyway?
And why is it that we base everything on science and science only. Whatever happened to
our observations , instinct and knowledge of being around someone – and seeing a change in their
health and behaviour when changing a diet or immediately after a vaccine shot.
I witnessed a substantial change after my niece got vaccinated. Not noting autistic
behaviour but I could tell her little body could not detoxify The chemicals and vaccine formula
given to her. She was jaundice and very sick right after this shot.
She seemed like she was drunk and was having neurological problems I had never
witnessed with her before. How is that good for their nervous systems?
And at such a young age to get one- just over 1.
So stop dissing and talking about Dr. Abigail. An Osteopath is a legitimate
profession and requires training. Doctors are not the only experts in the world and if you really look at it
more people seem to die and never progress with their health when under the so called
typical medical profession. Wake up and smell the coffee and be willing to consider
other avenues for looking at things.
And stop the sexist talk- whether you have this as a men’s website or not. If you would not
talk about your mother in this way, and don’t want anyone else objectifying and talking in this
“body part” way about your mother or say sister. Then don’t do it to women in general.
We don’t do that to you men when we disagree with you or put out long rants online and go talking about
the amount of hair on your testicles to qualify your views and supposed intelligence. And us women don’t
disparage you men cause of your body or sexual appeal. Just cause someone has sexual appeal
and has been in the entertainment industry does not mean they don’t have the ability to
parent and know what is best for their child or the ability to research themselves.
And Jenny still is a beautiful woman and has sexual appeal, sensual appeal and her beauty
is inside and outside. You men, on here can be very not only sexist but age- ist.
Like women only have a time clock under a certain age for your desire. How old are you?
who commented on Jenny’s age and the fact she is not hot anymore.
And how does your body look? Is it perfect? Do you want people talking about you
and saying you are a has been and no sex appeal just cause you are under 40. Pleaseeeeee…..
grow up.
Karma will come back and bite you for how you speak about women in this negative way regardless of
what you think of Jenny’s merit in speaking out on Autism and vaccination links.
Thanx Dr. Abigail for even daring to post on this heavy it seems Male Site of ranting and unintelligent posts
and sexism.
K. ( below is a nitwit for sure) You are one angry guy wow…. Go take some calcium
Carbonate. Or better yet, Get a B12 injection shot. Try the Methyl version without preservative. Ok?
I bet your attitude will change quickly.
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August 14th, 2008 at 4:46 am
DV82XL said:
You have posted nothing but a dump from an anti-vaccination website, that contain no references whatsoever of value. (which is still in moderation as I post this, but it showed up on the feed) References to articles in popular magazines don’t count in academic papers.
And then a dump from wikipedia? Do you think we are morons or as easy to fool as your victims.. err patients?
Mercury is not use to kill viruses as as step in prepossessing them for vaccines, as you insinuated and never have been. Mercury compounds were use at one point as a preservative to extend shelf life. This practice been discontinued by in large. Preservatives in food act in all sorts of ways, not only preventing infection, but also by stabilizing unwanted chemical and physical reactions in the product.
As for my identity sweetheart, you don’t get to choose who you debate with here. If you post to this forum you are the guest of Doc Buzzo, that means you don’t get to dictate terms. I don’t need credibility you see, because I am not the one asserting nonsense that flies in the face of excepted scientific fact and common practices. You are. Therefor the onus is on you to prove your statements, and the onus is on you to establish credibility. Which you haven’t
You practice quackery, your ‘profession’ is running a confidence game on your victims – if they actually have something serious all of you are quick to have them see a real physician for ‘co-treatment’ in the full knowledge that law would skin you if you did not and they died under your ‘care.’
You see I have read the websites that tell the alternate medicine community how to manage their practices and they are under no illusions are they.
But if you don’t want to debate with me then simply stop posting, I won’t stalk you elsewhere – but post here and I will be all over you like dirt. Ask any of the regulars.
=> Wow , what a threatening poster you are- above. Perhaps you should take the time to look into
the alternative medicine community and do some research to prove your assertions about
the invalidity of other medical models compared to the doctors. You would discover that
Chinese Medicine has been around a lot longer than the Allopathic germ theory medicine. Which is obvious
what you love so much and think is the Holy Grail. With all its Scientists who know everything about
the world and how us humans function and why we get sick.
Homeopathy as well has been around a lot longer than Allopathic medicine. It is highly regarded
and used commonly in Britain over standard medicine.
I would rather see a naturopath anyday hands down over a Clueless nerdy outdated Allopathic
medical doctor who gets no nutritional training. They focus too much on the Germ theory or removal of
organs in surgery and causes for disease being that. This approach to medicine really is only good if you break your leg and need surgery. Or get shot by someone. Yes then, I will go to a hospital.
There is a place for Allopathic medical doctors and hospitals and there is a place for Alternative Doctors too. Or other accredited medical professions such as Osteopathy. So quit dogging on this Dr. Abigail.
Those copied references she put in ( you kept asking for them so she got them for u – nimrod) They are likely accurate. And you probably could make sure they indeed come from Existing medical books or Journals by looking some of it up. I read some of it, looks pretty credible to me. What more do you want?
Do you want her to mail you a textbook?
Bet you have not read it tho- her copied references and excerpts off the net- cause you probably are not as educated to understand the information in it.
Looks like from your posts – you don’t even know how to spell.
“Your profession is running a confidence game on your victims. ” That does not even make sense.
Go back to Grade 12 English and learn how to write and express yourself. As I certainly could not
understand that stupid sentence.
Not all healers, practitioners, or doctors should be hanging a shingle out to say I can treat
patients and I do this. For sure. Of course there are true – practitioners that are not properly trained and
could do harm. But this applies to the standard medical system as well.
” First do no harm” The oath they have to take. I mean, they are heavy drug pushers
and the drugs have serious side effects on a lot of the human population that end up taking them.
Look what happened to Heath Ledger? Who the hell was prescribing all those drugs for him?
Or Anna Nicole Smith. Her Medical Doctor was very very negligent and helped cause her death.
How can there be studies done on numerous combinations of drugs on a person and what are their
long term side effects or risk of death? Same goes for Vaccinations and multiple shots.
Pharmceutical drugs can have their place in our world – be invented and used in a safe way.
But all you have to do is read a CPS manual. ( do you know what that is?)
Pharmacy manual. Read the long list of possible side effects and how harmful some drugs
are on your organs? At least they admit this in the manuals. Which is great but it might be a better
risk to see a Trained clinical homeopath to treat your ailment over taking 2 or three pharma drugs.
But, why do the doctors rely so heavily on Pharma drugs. Why can’t doctors find out if
some people have nutrient deficiencies and correct that. Why not find out if someone’s L-5 in their spine
is out of alignment and get help from a respected and well trained chiropracter.
Instead of waiting and waiting and it getting worse and all the doctor will offer is surgery.
Oh I forgot Chiropracters are Quacks too. Well I would rather see a Quack then according to you
than get surgery for a misalignment in my spine. For an example. I wish I never had one vaccine as a child or youth.
But too late for me as I am older. I can tell you, I have had my share of health issues- and believe
there is a connection to them coming from all the antibiotics I took as a child and the vaccines given and what the doctors pushed back in the late 60’s and 70’s.
Stop being so oppositional , argumentative and flaming. I have this sneaking feeling
You may be bi-polar and that would explain your fights on here.
Sure does not seem to be healthy debate to me.
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August 14th, 2008 at 5:09 am
DV82XL said:
We still have some items you haven’t addressed:
You made statements that you claimed were to be found in any textbook on physiology, yet you have yet to provide a list of titles, to back up that claim.
You have stated that Hg is used to kill pathogens as part of the process of manufacturing a vaccine, yet you have not produced any reference that backs up that statement.
You have made blatantly erroneous statements on the scientific method, demonstrating a total lack of understanding of Method.
You have not faced any criticism I have leveled against you, or your ideas except by trying to flood the page down with a smokescreen of material that you have copy-and-pasted from someplace else instead of facing the issues.
You are digging yourself a very deep hole here, and you are in the process of burying yourself in it.
I have asked you to address a few statements you have made here and you have avoided doing so. Please explain to me why I should, or you need my identity or qualifications before you can answer them. The fact is that you do not need them, and again you are with this demand, just trying to obscure the fact that you have been caught out making B.S. statements that you cannot substanciate with fact.
Now you can copy-and-paste as much as you want – I will keep coming back to your earlier statements until you address them, and then I will move on to the next set of nonsense statements you have made up thread and hold your feet to the fire until you answer those and so on. No amount of off-topic dren will stop me and I will make sure that no one here takes you seriously until you do.
You are way out of your water if you thing you can cross swords with me and get away with the sort of rhetorical maneuvering that impresses the stupids. @ssholes have tried before here and on other websites and failed miserably; you don’t stand a chance.
Please look up how to spell Substantiate. And exactly how is she trying to shut down debate?
I would say you are.
Here is a suggestion- give yourself maybe one day or more- do some deep breathing and re- read all your
nasty posts to this woman. Dr. Abigail. See if you can see how you really are to others.
As when I read yours, then read hers. Big Big difference.
Oh my god. Are you one piece of work. Such Threatening Rhetoric.
You mister who is hiding behind a “gobbly gook” screen name need to CHILL OUT .
It seems to me she has proven a lot of the questions you had for her. What more do you want.
You are not debating with her, you are Bullying her. Plus Threatening her with your words.
Would your Mom not be proud of how you conduct yourself.
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August 14th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Kerry said:
Oh for christ sake, the man’s first language is not even English. Stop attacking something stupid like typographical or spelling errors and consider the message.
This is not a sexist blog. It’s not women in general I take issue with, only the stupid ones. To be fair, there are equally stupid men too.
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April 28th, 2012 at 1:20 am
Actually dude she is smoking you pretty hard… the stuff she has brought forward can be easily substantiated through multiple sources and all you have done is fling abuse… Not a good way to “prove your point” or establish any kind of legitimacy,,, You have also made several errors in your responses as well. I really don’t give a Flying F**k what you think of me or my “credentials” but you have lost some serious credibility in being a good skeptic. I had thought this site was pretty decent for the most part for exposing “quackery” as you put it, but this diatribe of yours has proven nothing other than you can be a good internet troll… Your arguments are very weak and open ended, whereas she has supplied facts, maybe not all the specific ones you requested but then that is what zealots usually do.
Although I had perused several dozen articles and had planned to bookmark the site for further reading, I will not be reading your response… I will not be back… grow up and use realistic arguments, try using actual methods of debate rather than repeating the same BS… You have good skeptical skills and good exposition… too bad you’re losing it on this one and refuse to admit it.
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April 28th, 2012 at 6:50 am
Aeolus Slade said:
If you think I’m losing on facts here, I’m not the one with a problem.
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April 28th, 2012 at 7:24 am
I wonder if Aeolus Slade is Kerry.
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