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		<title>By: Gus Grissom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus Grissom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 03:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facts are facts.</description>
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		<title>By: DV82XL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DV82XL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 03:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you just love it when these types question &lt;b&gt;OUR&lt;/b&gt; grip on reality. 

You want to know what your real problem is &quot;Gus Grissom&quot;?  You are an absolute nobody, so you construct these complicated fantasies to make you feel like you are special in that you know &#039;The Truth,&#039; and salve your ego with the belief that makes you better than those that don&#039;t buy into these silly theories.

You&#039;re as pathetic as those Christians that comfort themselves with the belief that everybody else is going to Hell except them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you just love it when these types question <b>OUR</b> grip on reality. </p>
<p>You want to know what your real problem is &#8220;Gus Grissom&#8221;?  You are an absolute nobody, so you construct these complicated fantasies to make you feel like you are special in that you know &#8216;The Truth,&#8217; and salve your ego with the belief that makes you better than those that don&#8217;t buy into these silly theories.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re as pathetic as those Christians that comfort themselves with the belief that everybody else is going to Hell except them.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Grissom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus Grissom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 02:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you&#039;re just naive then.  America died in the 1960&#039;s with the JFK, RFK &amp; MLK assassinations, Vietnam, the start of unlimited 3rd world immigration and the Phony Apollo Moon Landings. We just haven&#039;t fully grasped it yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you&#8217;re just naive then.  America died in the 1960&#8217;s with the JFK, RFK &amp; MLK assassinations, Vietnam, the start of unlimited 3rd world immigration and the Phony Apollo Moon Landings. We just haven&#8217;t fully grasped it yet.</p>
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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
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		<dc:creator>drbuzz0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 01:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;23875&quot;]That&#039;s just being honest.  There are some honest ones of us left in the USA.  Not many though.[/quote]
So that&#039;s it then?   You&#039;re accusing me of being dishonest?   Which, I assume, means that you&#039;re presuming that I actually believe that there was a big conspiracy to kill JFK but that I am lying about it anyway?

Look, I have no doubt that you believe there was.   You&#039;re wrong, but I&#039;m not calling you a liar.  Plenty of people have bought that whole media story.   

I once did.  I have to admit that on first impression it does look suspicious that Oswald was killed so quickly after being caught and thus could never give complete testimony or account for his whereabouts.   On the surface it looks kinda weird, but a closer look - there&#039;s nothing there.


[quote comment=&quot;23875&quot;]We are fighting an unnecessary war in Iraq based on WMDs that weren&#039;t there by the way.  What a waste![/quote]

And this has what to do with the events in Dallas 47 years ago?

It&#039;s amazing that the conspiracy theorists don&#039;t see a hole in this.   There were no WMD&#039;s and that&#039;s a big reason why the Bush administration was so criticized.   Now apparently the government can pull off any kind of conspiracy no matter how large and involved.  Apparently they can take down buildings with a complex play of explosives, remote controlled aircraft, missiles, holograms, thermite, lasers etc..

Yet despite this they can&#039;t manage to plant a few WMD&#039;s!   Howe much better would Bush and the Iraq war have come off looking if they had found a couple big cashes of nerve gas and weaponized anthrax?

Apparently fabricating a few chemical weapons filled shells was beyond the capabilities of the NWO?</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/in-case-you-needed-more-proof-that-bart-sibrel-is-a-nut/#comment-23875"><b>Gus Grissom said:</b></a></p>
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That&#8217;s just being honest.  There are some honest ones of us left in the USA.  Not many though.</p>
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<p>So that&#8217;s it then?   You&#8217;re accusing me of being dishonest?   Which, I assume, means that you&#8217;re presuming that I actually believe that there was a big conspiracy to kill JFK but that I am lying about it anyway?</p>
<p>Look, I have no doubt that you believe there was.   You&#8217;re wrong, but I&#8217;m not calling you a liar.  Plenty of people have bought that whole media story.   </p>
<p>I once did.  I have to admit that on first impression it does look suspicious that Oswald was killed so quickly after being caught and thus could never give complete testimony or account for his whereabouts.   On the surface it looks kinda weird, but a closer look &#8211; there&#8217;s nothing there.</p>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/in-case-you-needed-more-proof-that-bart-sibrel-is-a-nut/#comment-23875"><b>Gus Grissom said:</b></a></p>
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We are fighting an unnecessary war in Iraq based on WMDs that weren&#8217;t there by the way.  What a waste!</p>
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<p>And this has what to do with the events in Dallas 47 years ago?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing that the conspiracy theorists don&#8217;t see a hole in this.   There were no WMD&#8217;s and that&#8217;s a big reason why the Bush administration was so criticized.   Now apparently the government can pull off any kind of conspiracy no matter how large and involved.  Apparently they can take down buildings with a complex play of explosives, remote controlled aircraft, missiles, holograms, thermite, lasers etc..</p>
<p>Yet despite this they can&#8217;t manage to plant a few WMD&#8217;s!   Howe much better would Bush and the Iraq war have come off looking if they had found a couple big cashes of nerve gas and weaponized anthrax?</p>
<p>Apparently fabricating a few chemical weapons filled shells was beyond the capabilities of the NWO?</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Grissom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus Grissom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 22:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s just being honest.  There are some honest ones of us left in the USA.  Not many though.   We are fighting an unnecessary war in Iraq based on WMDs that weren&#039;t there by the way.  What a waste!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s just being honest.  There are some honest ones of us left in the USA.  Not many though.   We are fighting an unnecessary war in Iraq based on WMDs that weren&#8217;t there by the way.  What a waste!</p>
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		<title>By: DV82XL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DV82XL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 20:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gwad, these people are pathetic. 

I believe that you cannot hate your own country for the stupid reasons they do, and not hate yourself as a prerequisite.</description>
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<p>I believe that you cannot hate your own country for the stupid reasons they do, and not hate yourself as a prerequisite.</p>
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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
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		<dc:creator>drbuzz0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 20:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;23866&quot;]Here is the Zapruder film.  See the killer shot from the front with your own lying eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-cri43ttTo

This, and Dr. Buzz&#039;s commentary, are why the media and government are so distrusted by the vast majority Americans(86% and 80% respectively)!  Hopefully both will be out of business soon and America will be an honest place![/quote]

Do you really think I haven&#039;t seen the Zapruder film?   I&#039;ve seen every frame of it individually and together in the highest resolution you can get from 8mm film.  I&#039;ve seen it slow and fast, stabalized, cropped, zoomed, uncropped, with sprocket holes, denoised, sharpened - damn near every variation out there.  I&#039;ve also seen the Nix, Hughes, Pascall, Dorman, Jeffers, Muchmore, Towner, Bronson, Atkins, Couch and Weigman films.   I bet you didn&#039;t even know that many films were taken of the shooting or minutes before or after.

I&#039;m not one to generally trust the government or media.  Hell, I criticize the media constantly.   However, this is still what it is.   By the way, the media is the one who has helped fuel the conspiracy theories.   The whole conspiracy pushing movement comes down to a lot of dishonest people who are making money selling their book or television series or whatever.

You really think the media is pushing the lone gunman fact?   For Christ sake, Hollywood made a multi-million dollar movie that has done more for conspiracy theorists than almost anything.

You, sir, are buying the media hype.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/in-case-you-needed-more-proof-that-bart-sibrel-is-a-nut/#comment-23866"><b>Gus Grissom said:</b></a></p>
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Here is the Zapruder film.  See the killer shot from the front with your own lying eyes.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-cri43ttTo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-cri43ttTo</a></p>
<p>This, and Dr. Buzz&#8217;s commentary, are why the media and government are so distrusted by the vast majority Americans(86% and 80% respectively)!  Hopefully both will be out of business soon and America will be an honest place!</p>
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<p>Do you really think I haven&#8217;t seen the Zapruder film?   I&#8217;ve seen every frame of it individually and together in the highest resolution you can get from 8mm film.  I&#8217;ve seen it slow and fast, stabalized, cropped, zoomed, uncropped, with sprocket holes, denoised, sharpened &#8211; damn near every variation out there.  I&#8217;ve also seen the Nix, Hughes, Pascall, Dorman, Jeffers, Muchmore, Towner, Bronson, Atkins, Couch and Weigman films.   I bet you didn&#8217;t even know that many films were taken of the shooting or minutes before or after.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not one to generally trust the government or media.  Hell, I criticize the media constantly.   However, this is still what it is.   By the way, the media is the one who has helped fuel the conspiracy theories.   The whole conspiracy pushing movement comes down to a lot of dishonest people who are making money selling their book or television series or whatever.</p>
<p>You really think the media is pushing the lone gunman fact?   For Christ sake, Hollywood made a multi-million dollar movie that has done more for conspiracy theorists than almost anything.</p>
<p>You, sir, are buying the media hype.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Grissom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus Grissom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 17:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the Zapruder film.  See the killer shot from the front with your own lying eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-cri43ttTo

This, and Dr. Buzz&#039;s commentary, are why the media and government are so distrusted by the vast majority Americans(86% and 80% respectively)!  Hopefully both will be out of business soon and America will be an honest place!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the Zapruder film.  See the killer shot from the front with your own lying eyes.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-cri43ttTo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-cri43ttTo</a></p>
<p>This, and Dr. Buzz&#8217;s commentary, are why the media and government are so distrusted by the vast majority Americans(86% and 80% respectively)!  Hopefully both will be out of business soon and America will be an honest place!</p>
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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
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		<dc:creator>drbuzz0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 17:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;23864&quot;]The kill shot that got JFK came from the front, Oswald was behind JFK, your version does not hold up.[/quote]
 I actually used to believe this before I did quite a bit of research on the subject.   The fact of the matter is that the documentary and forensic evidence says otherwise.   For one thing, the front offered no cover for a shooter and would have been a poor choice for a location.   There were people in the area who were quite sure that the shots did not come from that close to them.   We also have photographs and films from the area at the time and shortly after.   It is remotely possible that an assassin could have avoided ever being photographed or filmed, but I doubt it and it would be a huge risk in any case.

Some of the claims come from the fact the Kennedy&#039;s head appears to go back and to the left.   Actually it goes forward first and then back.   This was a counter-reaction which was caused by both the body bouncing back after being pushed forward and a muscle spasm.

Look closely at the Zapruder film and you&#039;ll notice that it&#039;s not the kind of reaction from being pushed.  It&#039;s a limp jerk.  His arm flies up.  Head injuries often produce sudden jerks.

The injuries are sometimes characterized as being &quot;the back of his head was blown out.&quot;   This is just not true.   What actually happened is that the bullet entered the back of the head, which was leaning forward and exited the top.  If blew out the entire cranium in the process.

This was a very powerful bullet and it shattered the head like a china plate.   Here&#039;s a good picture:  http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dox2big.jpg




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No steel building has ever collapsed from fire.  How do 2 planes implode 3 buildings anyway?
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That is simply not true.   There are many examples of steel structures that have fallen or partially fallen due to fire.   Many bridges have been destroyed by fire.   The McCormick Palace in Chicago was destroyed by a fire in 1967.  Just a few years ago, the Windsor building in Spain, a 32 story high-rise collapsed due to a fire.

Each fire is different, each structure is different and the success of the fire department in controlling it matters a lot.  Some buildings have sustained severe fire and not collapsed but others have.   

Structural steel can lose most of its strength well before melting.

I can&#039;t give you any examples of towers that collapsed in the same manner as the WTC on the scale and under those exact conditions, especially after being hit by a plane.

How many large passenger ships can you think of that were sunk by hitting an iceberg?   I&#039;d like to hear two examples.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/in-case-you-needed-more-proof-that-bart-sibrel-is-a-nut/#comment-23864"><b>Gus Grissom said:</b></a></p>
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The kill shot that got JFK came from the front, Oswald was behind JFK, your version does not hold up.</p>
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<p> I actually used to believe this before I did quite a bit of research on the subject.   The fact of the matter is that the documentary and forensic evidence says otherwise.   For one thing, the front offered no cover for a shooter and would have been a poor choice for a location.   There were people in the area who were quite sure that the shots did not come from that close to them.   We also have photographs and films from the area at the time and shortly after.   It is remotely possible that an assassin could have avoided ever being photographed or filmed, but I doubt it and it would be a huge risk in any case.</p>
<p>Some of the claims come from the fact the Kennedy&#8217;s head appears to go back and to the left.   Actually it goes forward first and then back.   This was a counter-reaction which was caused by both the body bouncing back after being pushed forward and a muscle spasm.</p>
<p>Look closely at the Zapruder film and you&#8217;ll notice that it&#8217;s not the kind of reaction from being pushed.  It&#8217;s a limp jerk.  His arm flies up.  Head injuries often produce sudden jerks.</p>
<p>The injuries are sometimes characterized as being &#8220;the back of his head was blown out.&#8221;   This is just not true.   What actually happened is that the bullet entered the back of the head, which was leaning forward and exited the top.  If blew out the entire cranium in the process.</p>
<p>This was a very powerful bullet and it shattered the head like a china plate.   Here&#8217;s a good picture:  <a href="http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dox2big.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dox2big.jpg</a></p>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/in-case-you-needed-more-proof-that-bart-sibrel-is-a-nut/#comment-23864"><b>Gus Grissom said:</b></a></p>
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<p>No steel building has ever collapsed from fire.  How do 2 planes implode 3 buildings anyway?
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<p>That is simply not true.   There are many examples of steel structures that have fallen or partially fallen due to fire.   Many bridges have been destroyed by fire.   The McCormick Palace in Chicago was destroyed by a fire in 1967.  Just a few years ago, the Windsor building in Spain, a 32 story high-rise collapsed due to a fire.</p>
<p>Each fire is different, each structure is different and the success of the fire department in controlling it matters a lot.  Some buildings have sustained severe fire and not collapsed but others have.   </p>
<p>Structural steel can lose most of its strength well before melting.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t give you any examples of towers that collapsed in the same manner as the WTC on the scale and under those exact conditions, especially after being hit by a plane.</p>
<p>How many large passenger ships can you think of that were sunk by hitting an iceberg?   I&#8217;d like to hear two examples.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Grissom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus Grissom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 16:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The kill shot that got JFK came from the front, Oswald was behind JFK, your version does not hold up.

No steel building has ever collapsed from fire.  How do 2 planes implode 3 buildings anyway?

No one this naive/oblivious should be in any intellectual leadership position.</description>
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<p>No steel building has ever collapsed from fire.  How do 2 planes implode 3 buildings anyway?</p>
<p>No one this naive/oblivious should be in any intellectual leadership position.</p>
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