If Vaccines Can Reduce Population Growth That Must Mean they Kill People… right?

May 6th, 2012
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I just stumbled onto one of the most ridiculous things I’ve read in a long time. Apparently it’s believed that Bill Gates, who has, though his foundation, contributed hundreds of millions to global vaccine efforts said something which some believe was an admission that vaccines are killing everyone and that his contributions are entirely aimed at reducing world population by destroying the health and reducing the lives of people who are vaccinated.
Via “World Truth TV”:

In a recent TED conference presentation, Microsoft billionaire Bill Gates, who has donated hundreds of millions of dollars to new vaccine efforts, speaks on the issue of CO2 emissions and its effects on climate change. He presents a formula for tracking CO2 emissions as follows: CO2 = P x S x E x C.

P = People S = Services per person E = Energy per service C = CO2 per energy unit

Then he adds that in order to get CO2 to zero, “probably one of these numbers is going to have to get pretty close to zero.â€

Following that, Bill Gates begins to describe how the first number — P (for People) — might be reduced. He says:

“The world today has 6.8 billion people†that’s headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.â€

You can watch this yourself at: http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=Aâ€
Reducing the world Population through vaccines

This statement by Bill Gates was not made with any hesitation, stuttering or other indication that it might have been a mistake. It appears to have been a deliberate, calculated part of a well developed and coherent presentation.

So what does it mean when Bill Gates says “if we do a really great job on new vaccines†we could lower [world population] by 10 or 15 percent?â€

Perhaps that’s the whole point of it. Given that vaccines technology help almost no one from a scientific point of view (http://www.naturalnews.com/029641_vâ€), it raises the question: For what purpose are vaccines being so heavily pushed in the first place?

Bill Gates seems to be saying that one of the primary purposes is to reduce the global population as a mechanism by which we can reduce CO2 emissions. Once again, watch the video yourself to hear him say it in his own words: http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=Aâ€
How can vaccines actually be used to reduce world population?

Let’s conduct a mental experiment on this issue. If vaccines are to be used to reduce world population, they obviously need to be accepted by the majority of the people. Otherwise the population reduction effort wouldn’t be very effective.

And in order for them to be accepted by the majority of the people, they obviously can’t just kill people outright. If everybody started dropping dead within 24 hours of receiving the FLU shot, the danger of vaccines would become obvious rather quickly and the vaccines would be recalled.

Thus, if vaccines are to be used as an effective population reduction effort, there are really only three ways in which they might theoretically be “effective†from the point of view of those who wish to reduce world population:

#1) They might kill people slowlyin a way that’s unnoticeable, taking effect over perhaps 10 – 30 years by accelerating degenerative diseases.

#2) They might reduce fertility and therefore dramatically lower birth rates around the world, thereby reducing the world population over successive generations. This “soft kill†method might seem more acceptable to scientists who want to see the world population fall but don’t quite have the stomach to outright kill people with conventional medicine. There is already evidence that vaccines may promote miscarriages (http://www.naturalnews.com/027512_vâ€).

#3) They might increase the death rate from a future pandemic. Theoretically, widespread vaccination efforts could be followed by a deliberate release of a highly virulent flu strain with a high fatality rate. This “bioweapon†approach could kill millions of people whose immune systems have been weakened by previous vaccine injections.

Ohhhh kay…

Perhaps a little out of context? Note for example that he does not mention vaccines alone but rather in the context of healthcare and reproductive services.

It should be noted that in general, killing a lot of people in an epidemic or war is not a very effective means of population growth. Unless the stress on the population is continuous, it will bounce back remarkably fast. Beyond that, the idea of reducing human lifespans or increasing early deaths is also repugnant and something that most won’t take very kindly to. (But that’s apparently no problem for the evil conspirators)

The best way to reduce population growth is by increasing standards of living and healthcare, especially reproductive care and contraception. As a general rule, the better educated, the more industrialized and the greater the standard of living of a society, the lower the rate of population growth. This is where vaccination comes in, because vaccines don’t just directly save lives, but also result in a lot less people suffering from non-fatal, but extremely unpleasant illness. Diseases are very expensive for a society. Every time someone gets sick they can’t work to their full capacity or can’t work at all. They may be occupying a hospital bed and the time of a physician, which could have been used to care for someone else.

Therefore:
Greater vaccination -> less diseases -> less stress on the healthcare system -> better healthcare
and
Greater vaccination -> less diseases -> less economic loss from disease -> better economics
and
Greater vaccination -> less diseases -> less people suffering, less disabled persons, less pain -> higher average standard of living

All of the above contribute to reduced birth rates.

The reasons are varied and complex. Many births are unplanned and those who have the knowledge of birth control and access to it will therefore take the steps necessary to prevent it. Substance agriculture can result in pressure to produce more, not less children because of their value as workers. When disease is rampant, increased birth rates may be valued as a way of insuring at least some of the offspring survive. In impoverished areas, women may have no choice but to submit to unprotected sex and thus get pregnant.

This is why in India, where most live in very poor conditions, the population is exploding and yet in Japan, where most live in a highly industrial and comfortable urban setting, birth rates are so low there is concern that population reduction is leaving the country with two few elderly and not enough young people to care for them.

Vaccines, of course, can’t do it alone and were not mentioned alone. In the short term, they may even result in a small increase in population growth by reducing death rates, but not enough to make a huge difference. In the long run, vaccines are part of a broader effort to improve life and increase economic development and healthcare quality. That can and will reduce population growth.

(Note: I actually disagree with Bill Gates on his CO2 formula. Energy does not need to be CO2 intensive. But that’s beyond the point.)


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18 Responses to “If Vaccines Can Reduce Population Growth That Must Mean they Kill People… right?”

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    DV82XL Says:

    Yet another risible attempt to tar vaccines as evil. Frankly I have gotten to the point where I hope the long term benefit to this movement is to remove some stupid genes from the breeding pool. Unfortunately this sort of idiocy will not end until there is a pandemic of something like the 1919 flu and the unvaccinated suffer the most. Too bad, but reality always bats last.


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    MikeC Says:

    It’s a pretty old meme from the anti-vaccination-NWO is spreading-chemtrails-are-killing-us crowd (the 2 and more seem to go hand in hand – I think no-once can only believe one conspiracy!) – eg http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread716023/pg1


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    Anon Says:

    Problem is that it’ll affect a lot of people who aren’t so stupid (e.g. babies too young to be vaccinated, people with a valid medical reason not to be vaccinated and those on who the vaccine doesn’t work).

    Though it wouldn’t surprise me if the antivax idiots just deal with the death of their kids by making more.


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    BMS Says:

    Anon – Who ever said that life was fair?


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    Gordon Says:

            Anon said:

    Problem is that it’ll affect a lot of people who aren’t so stupid (e.g. babies too young to be vaccinated, people with a valid medical reason not to be vaccinated and those on who the vaccine doesn’t work).

    Though it wouldn’t surprise me if the antivax idiots just deal with the death of their kids by making more.

    It might well not be something that just hits the idiots. I’ve already heard of how anti-vaccine nonsense ha set back the fight to eradicate polio from rural China, India and Africa. This idiocy seems to occasionally be accepted by local officials or some others who are in a position to deny it to their people.

    Remember what has happened in Africa where famine has occurred and North American food supplies were sent except they could not be assured to not contain any generically engineered crops (because we’ve been eating them for more than a decade and it’s in our supply). Some European activists managed to convince the local leaders to turn down the food because it was dangerous/poison/unhealthy or some other ridiculous claim.

    These foundations are working hard to do good by wiping out disease from the third world. There are people trying to stop this from being successful. Its a crime against humanity.


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    Anon Says:

            BMS said:

    Anon – Who ever said that life was fair?

    Don’t worry, I’m not a proponent of the just world hypothesis. Though I still consider good people being punished for the actions of the bad as a problem.

    Gordon: Thanks for bringing up the effects on the third world which I missed, that’s likely to be even worse because they won’t have the kind of medical care have (and which even the anti-vaccination kooks can get).

    On the issue of aid for famine being turned down, I think that also involved a government wanting to create a famine.


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    drbuzz0 Says:

    The other problem is that if you are actually trying to eradicate a disease, so that in the future you won’t have to vaccinate it, those who go unvaccinated don’t just hurt themselves, but completely derail the entire project by providing a sanctuary for the disease. To get rid of Small Pox required tracking down all the outbreaks and stamping them out by vaccinating the surrounding populations to a very high of immunity.

    It has been established that the global effort to eradicate polio has been set back years by anti-vaccine propaganda.

    Indeed the fact that this wiping this scourge from the face of the earth has taken longer than it should and cost more than necessary is a crime against humanity.


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    Aaron G. Says:

    One additional axis for population reduction from vaccines that you didn’t mention was that decreased infant and childhood mortality rates remove some of the economic pressure to have large families. When you can generally (barring accidents, youthful stupidity and low-probability illnesses such as cancer) count on any offspring reaching adulthood, there’s less incentive to raise a brood of 8-12 children when 2-4 will suffice.


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    Adam Says:

    It’s worth keeping in mind that Gates is no enemy of nuclear. Here he is in 2010 describing one of his investments, a company developing a “traveling-wave” reactor:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwRYtiSbbVg


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    Twominds Says:

            Adam said:

    It’s worth keeping in mind that Gates is no enemy of nuclear. Here he is in 2010 describing one of his investments, a company developing a “traveling-wave” reactor:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwRYtiSbbVg

    Yes, that’s another good idea of course. Good that you mention it, it deserves more attention.

    Gates is redeeming himself rapidly for the evil he has done by unleashing Microsoft on the world ;-)


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    Thomas Says:

    Gordon, and others that are pro Vaccination. I have been Vaccinated and have Vaccinated my child and until 2010 used to accept most of what we were told and advised by the Medical and Political professions as gospel. Now I feel worried that I have perhaps not looked into it enough or not asked enough questions. I had one of the first Flu Vaccines and it almost killed me when I was 20. Dumped 7 Influenza viruses into my system and I was in bed for 2 weeks with no antibiotics working. Back then I did not know that a lot of older people died from this and the news hardly mentioned it?
    I had a few health issues and had been used as an Guinea Pig I still trusted Doctors until I started to study alternate medicine and realised they either do not know or are toying with us for profits? Would I believe the conclusion I came to? “NO” as it was too ridiculous why would Doctors want to harm patients? I had to prove my self wrong and started to see other Doctors for second opinions.
    I was helped and advised by a Doctor “Not all Doctors are the same”
    Later regarding another issue Injury related, I discovered how the compensation system works from both sides. And I was advise by a Medical Professor whom thought Medical students in University that “MEDICAL Science is not an EXACT Science. We sometimes get it wrong. “

    Mistakes that cause suffering and even death? Recently the head of the health department stated that 150,000 people would not give accurate scientific data for research and the some 500,000 would be needed. When he was accused of being partially responsible for using people for experiments.
    This was a public meeting and a citizen protest regarding certain activities that would impact the environment and human health with Toxic substances.
    The Professor and head of the department did not deny that the local people were used as guinea pigs. He stated that it would not give accurate scientific results? More people were needed for that.
    These are clever and educated people they do not mix words, they try to be politically correct and answer in round about ways.

    Recent research discovered that a virus was responsible for causing certain Cancers, The head researcher from Australia called it “VERY SUSPICIOUS” not once but twice. Why would he proclaim the discovery as suspicious if it was a naturally caused virus or something like the HPV that we all carry in our bodies or are born with it? I would call it a break through discovery. However, if it was a human designed virus it would be suspicious as one would have to ask who, why and when as we could determine that it may have been a fabricated virus, not naturally occurring.

    I was part of the system a small cog in the watch that helps the mechanism work. As most of us are in some way or another.

    What changed? Death of my parents from Cancer both within 3 months several years ago. Non smokers, middle class working people. Forced me into research, as I was the care giver and had to communicate with the medical staff and take them to the treatments. Communicate with Cancer Council, and others and start to seriously look into the issues and cancer. I spent years of my life Investigating small matters and providing Security and safety for others. Now I was in a place I would not wish anyone to go to.
    I spent over two and a half years researching Cancer and this lead to other links. Money is always involved. Cancer is a $Trillion industry. And it has increased by an estimated 500% in the past 100 years and recent surveys stated that it WILL increase by a further 72% by the year 2020 ? Not an estimated figure but exact according to the news article. We can not believe everything we read in the news. Given that so much effort and money is being spent on finding Cancer cures?

    There are a lot of good people working in the system, however, the few that are bad often manage to get top jobs as they are part of some group that assists them in their career and promotes them into the top jobs under certain conditions.
    We have to ask our selves honestly “how guilable we are and how much do we really know”?..
    When we derive the honest answers we will be disappointed and peed off as I was. Our faith in the establishment may be shattered and our very core of existence, whom we are, why we are here and what we really know may be shaken at the base of our foundations.
    Easy to see why people believe in Conspiracy theories. The theories are only theories if they can not be substantiated with facts and evidence. I dealt with fact and evidence most of my working life and the rules were strict as mistakes were not tolerated and would result in harsh outcomes that could end ones career and life, even end up in jail terms or fines, the minor punishment was warnings.
    As for Mr Gates he has been laughed at for his comment and others have defended what he said as misconstrued. He may not be the worlds brightest person but he is smart enough to know what he is talking about and I do not see him as the kind of person whom mixw=es words. He would not have made billions if he was indecisive or stupid. We often think people are silly when they make comments like he did as we find it hard to accept and believe someone would actually have a world depopulation plan?
    Since 1930 there was a world depopulation plan set up by the Rockefeller Foundation, They funded and sponsored a lot of medical training and research. Look at how J. Rockefeller got his fortune in oil. We do not learn enough about certain parts of history in school we are given the acceptable versions with moderator controls.
    The fatc is that we have a moral and self preservation duty and the right to know the truth. We often do not question and research or think out side of the square as we are not thought to. We are thought to be subordinate, loyal and unquestioning when it comes to work, health, safety, as we are told it is not your concern do not stir the pot.
    Only a few days ago we were advised by President Obama that the Spy Net was monitoring the world wide net globally. I have been aware of certain spy ware used by Face book and the CIA as well as other ISP and Government controlled data collecting and control software for years. Yet he stated that only other countries are being monitored and not the USA? Really, do we genuinely believe that the USA would be exempt?
    Medical and other issues would take too long to list from research and experience and I have almost written a short book for this comment.
    Wake up people, we have what is called safe acceptable levels of toxic and cancer causing substances even when they are “banned” being used in almost every thing we are exposed to in our daily lives. Self regulation. Money and corruption are bed fellows. We have known that Cancer can be caused by Viruses since 1930. In 1946 the Polio Vaccine was banned in the USA by the Supreme court as it had a Cancer causing Virus in the Vaccine. The Vaccine was not destroyed but placed on ICE and sent to third world countries. Being outlawed in the US does not mean it is illegal in other countries. Legal loop hole. Fines are issued like the Merck Viox pain killer case and as far as I could determine NO CEO went to jail over 4 billion US dollars in fines and over 40,000 deaths and in Australia QLD Merck offered families $1500 compensation prompting the Judge to criticise the offer. Merck also makes the HPV Vaccine. I typed in Human Population Vaccine not the Human Papillova Virus and got to this website and about a dozen others that had Mr Bill Gates and his comments and Video links.
    We need more transparency, we need more independent testing and more checks and balances. We need to know the TRUTH and we are entitled to nothing less. We do not need ELITIST Bilderberg and Bohemian Grove or Fabian Socialists or even the Church telling us we are the drones and worker bees and we are expendable.
    You have an obligation to protect your selves and your families by asking questions and trying to get educated and well informed answers. Not all vaccines are bad however, we have a right to ask. These days our rights are being eroded and we are being forced to accept things without question and base our trust on one sided opinions and arguments without proper detailed explanations.
    This is not a good foundation for well researched and educated scientific or medical decision making.
    In particular when your or your families health is concerned.


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    DV82XL Says:

    Thomas you present absolutely no real arguments to support your stand. It is one thing to say you will not accept things without question and base our trust on one sided opinions and arguments without proper detailed explanations. It is another altogether to reject something simply because you do not understand it and are too lazy to ground yourself sufficiently to do so.

    As well making unsupported statements like: “In 1946 the Polio Vaccine was banned in the USA by the Supreme court as it had a Cancer causing Virus in the Vaccine,” without reference only makes you look like a fool, and for the record I can find no evidence that this ever happened and it is unlikely there is as the first polio vaccine was developed by Jonas Salk and not tested tested before 1952 and mass inoculations did not occur before 1955.


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    Thomas Says:

    Dear, DV82XL

    My apologies to all Typo regarding the 1946 should have been 1956 for the Polio Vaccination.

    I do not have to present a real argument.
    As if I did I would have to present pages and over 4 Gigabytes of researched data. However, you can start by searching the web as I can not convince you, or send information to you.
    The personal Medical and other relevant information I have from research and experience in talking to the Doctors, asking questions, and the answers I received that often left me gob smacked.
    Researched information from the World Health Organisation, Notice they have a disclaimer and read the disclaimer. Remind s me about the CSIRO and the Carbon Tax Information (They acted for the Australian Government yet they had a disclaimer legally not accepting any responsibility for the scientific evidence for the Carbon information and Climate Change?) We know it is taking place, but are we sure we know why? Science can be made to show desired results to support a certain point of view. Facts can be presented in in suitable ways.
    Medical Science is no different to any other science. Today they claim one fact is the only possible way to explain something, a few years later new facts with new discoveries change that.
    Not all sciences can claim to be absolute.

    Mr Bill Gates stated that the Vaccination Program can help 15% of the Third world countries live longer lives? Yet he also talked about World Population Control The Global population is over 7.2 Billion. What percentage did he intend to control? Helping some lets say selected 15% of the third world nations to survive and live longer lives.
    To control what percentage of the Global population?

    Do I disagree with population control and Vaccinations? “Not entirely”, However, fact is that families with more children stand a better chance of having their families survive, while we in the cultured and Industrial Western World have adopted a one to three child policy in most cases.
    Statistics are mathematical and probabilities of a smaller family surviving are less that a larger family surviving. Additionally, refusing to vaccinate children on religious grounds is an acceptable reason. I do not want to sound racist but from personal experience certain nationalities and races are far more likely to object to Vaccinations as their community Doctors will inform them against it as will family and friends and even religious organisations. Where as European and western families may be less likely to claim any exemptions.
    As for facts, go to Web MD, Dr Mercolla, Pub Med, New Scientist, SMH.com, and other web sites some Medical web sites and trained Doctors are now against Vaccinations and provide FACTS based on their research. You tube is full of information and although it has to be carefully scrutinised you can find evidence to support some or all of the claims made by Professional people. When we can find Government agreements, signed and documented, U N Agreements such as Agenda 21. once again documents exist. Court documents. We have to ask serious questions and demand honest answers.
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6116-vaccine-scandal-revives-cancer-fear.html

    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/22/1098316861644.html

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/02/18/leading-vaccine-doctor-states-cancer-linked-to-polio-vaccine.aspx

    http://www.whale.to/a/mcbean5.html

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/vaccine-news-aap-opposes-ban-on-thimerosal-while-study-finds-more-vaccines-equate-to-increased-hospitalization-and-death/

    You wanted some references with facts. Check out the SV 40 part.
    Mind you Professor Johannes Fribrigger received a Nobel Prize in the 1930′s for his discovery that viruses can cause cancer. Oddly researchers are now rediscovering this fact?

    Sorry I will not send any more as it is too late to start pasting information from my saved files.


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    DV82XL Says:

            Thomas said:

    Not all sciences can claim to be absolute.

    No legitimate science claims to be absolute ever. Period. The fact that you would make such a stratment only underlines that you no nothing about what science is or what it stands for.

            Thomas said:

    As for facts, go to Web MD, Dr Mercolla, Pub Med, New Scientist, SMH.com, and other web sites some Medical web sites and trained Doctors are now against Vaccinations and provide FACTS based on their research. You tube is full of information and although it has to be carefully scrutinised you can find evidence to support some or all of the claims made by Professional people.

    If you want to make an argument on this website you will have to do a lot better than newspapers, self-appointed ‘experts’, and YouTube. At a minimum we require peer-reviewed papers from legitimate sources. The sort of rubbish you are posting again only underlines that you haven’t the background to understand the subject at hand, as you cannot even tell the difference between a good source of information and a bad one.

            Thomas said:

    Mind you Professor Johannes Fribrigger received a Nobel Prize in the 1930′s for his discovery that viruses can cause cancer. Oddly researchers are now rediscovering this fact?

    That is not in dispute, nor did it need to be ‘rediscovered’ but note that just because some viruses can cause cancer does not imply that all or even most do or that this has any relevance to this discussion. Again you just don’t know what you are talking about

            Thomas said:

    Sorry I will not send any more as it is too late to start pasting information from my saved files.

    Please do not bother to, if the above is any example of what you think is good research I doubt any more of it will convince anyone here.


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    thomas Says:

    Vaccine references Vactruth website stories:
    You wanted some sources? Here they are from some emails I receive.
    In order for anyone to make educated decisions regarding any topic we need information and I look at both side of the argument.
    As for qualification to make comments it appears your qualifications are not up to the arguments, yet you accuse me of the same???

    I find it irritating that people only follow the accepted media hype that pushes for profit opinions and and attempts to remove critical thinking that some people use and all of us have a right to.
    Therefore freedom of choice after looking at both side of the argument. After all is it not our democratic right and furthermore our God given right? At least to research from any source including the Internet.
    Lets say that some of us actually can get access to labs where we could test certain things and report our findings? How much weight would this have against much larger government endorsed Million and Billion dollar capable businesses?

    As an global climate change arguments that IPCC has faked reports for due to the Agenda 21 plans that use the Northern Hemisphere and a limited area and not global statistics for their arguments while completely erasing the medieval warm period that was followed by the mini Ice Age and they used tree rings as their main research tool. The larger rings could have been caused by Carbon increases, water increases and not just warming or temperature changes.
    Yet we are told that the water levels will increase by 2 meters due to glacial melting in the Artic.
    What information is missing? The Antartic has had a sharp Increase of Ice. However, this is not mentioned. Why? Global warming occurs due to solar activity and our input due to CO2 is minor.
    Can our CO2 Increases make Mars, and other planets experience the Global warming or the green house effect? NO off course not. But this is just more date that is continently not used.
    Could other factors be causing the climate change? Defenately, however, this is not mentioned by the IPCC reports. I could just as easily claim that the current bad weather is due to a the coming of an Ice Age as we are overdue for one? Solar activity? Or even man made HAARP device use.
    How would you prove me wrong?

    Let us examine reality.
    If I pay you for research and want an outcome that would suit an agenda would you comply?
    If you contradict my desired outcome I will not hire you to do this again and I will take it to someone else. At the same time I will make you sign an agreement that the material and research is my property and not to be publicised without my consent. The reality of legal contracts.
    Should you breach our agreement I will sue you for damages or breach of contract, and if I have Millions or Billions of dollars could you afford to defend your actions on a moral or ethical basis?
    If you are the type of person whom is close minded or are pushing an agenda, no matter what I present as evidence, will not convince you or change your mind. This is why we have the court system and mediators for.
    However, this in it self is biased. Why? As only the wealthier can afford to take cases like this to the Supreme or High court. Most countries have got systems that work in this fashion.

    http://vactruth.com/2013/05/09/vaccine-ingredient-disclosure/?utm_source=The+Vaccine+Truth+Newsletter&utm_campaign=bb69d40b8e-05_09_2013_ingredients&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ce7860ee83-bb69d40b8e-408259893

    http://vactruth.com/2013/03/29/facebook-wot-censored/?utm_source=The+Vaccine+Truth+Newsletter&utm_campaign=168a9be4f6-03_29_2013_wot&utm_medium=email

    http://vactruth.com/2013/04/02/who-suspends-vaccine/?utm_source=The+Vaccine+Truth+Newsletter&utm_campaign=6d0d6bbcf6-04_02_2013_who&utm_medium=email

    http://vactruth.com/2013/04/06/media-propaganda-vaccines/?utm_source=The+Vaccine+Truth+Newsletter&utm_campaign=12225247d6-04_06_2013_propaganda&utm_medium=email

    http://www.australiandoctor.com.au/news/latest-news/gpsunwillingtosignvaxrefusorforms

    http://vactruth.com/2013/04/13/thinking-moms-revolution/?utm_source=The+Vaccine+Truth+Newsletter&utm_campaign=2274886616-04_13_2013_revolution&utm_medium=email

    Let me just say that I am not anti establishment nor am I one whom is against Vaccinations.
    I am not a stick in the mud against progress or advancement in medical or any other science.

    I do believe that we need transparency as some of us can actually understand medical and political reasoning and facts if we are presented these facts or at least have the opportunity to be able to scrutinise and examine the arguments placed before us.
    I am for proper checks and balances.
    I am for equality and fairness.
    I do believe all of us have the right of choice, informed as well as educated choice.
    I am for peoples health over profits.
    And I am a parent and a free man.
    I would like my child to grow up in a world free of poverty, healthy and be strong as well as free and not controlled by the establishment that does not respect peoples or human rights.
    I would like to have the future generations be able to afford dwellings, food, clothing and be involved in loving relationships and have long and prosperous as well as meaningful lives.
    I would hate to see the poverty and injustice we currently have in third world countries spread.
    I would hate to have a world that discriminates against the ones the system has made poor through political and other manipulations and lies spread by the wealthy minority so that they can retain power and wealth through financial control and corruption.

    I have been very fortunate that I have had the above. And I see no reason that others and future generations should not enjoy the same rights and have the life I had. Hopefully even better.

    However, if I just watch and do nothing when I fear due to reasonable suspicions based on evidence I can find to support those suspicions.
    I am failing as a man and a human not just my self but my family and the future generations.

    Is this asking too much?


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    Thomas Says:

    Good day, DV8@XL, just a question. Do you know what Phenacetin is?
    Why has its use been banned from Internal medical uses?
    Is it true that it is a Grade 1 Carcinogen? Causes renal failure and Intestine cancers?
    That would make it the same as Asbestos would it not?
    Why would any major Pharmaceutical company place this into a bottle of Hydrogen Peroxide 3% and without any warnings on the bottle?
    The Australian T G A (they are the controlling authority that is supposed to test and approve anything before it is allowed on the market such as medicines and health suppliments) stated it was a safe acceptable level? 0.8% to 1.0% per volume.
    When asked if asbestos had a safe acceptable level and how many safe acceptable levels we are exposed to daily?
    They did not respond?
    I wonder why?
    I also wonder if they took the opportunity to place a Grade 1 cancer agent into an alternate Cancer treatment as claimed by some that H2O2 can help in stage one cancer patients due to the oxygen effect?
    Lets go back to 1930. Dr Otto Warbergs research that earned him a Nobel prize.
    Cancer is caused by Acidosis, When our immune systems and cells become too Toxic and Oxygen deprived or acidic and our immune system starts to have problems coping. Wonder why cancer is often called a FUNGAL GROWTH? He found if a cell was deprived of 35% of oxygen for a period of time it would become an irreversible cancer cell. We get cancer some 50 times a year (as claimed by some scientific researchers), yet our immune system fights it off? ( HPV has been controlled by our immune system in the same way in some 80 % to 90% of cases.)
    By the time scans or tests can see or detect cancer it may have been in our bodies for up to 8 years.
    So our bodies have failed to clear the cancer cells. Or rather our immune system.
    Accumulation factor. Poor health due to immune deficiency, age, and perhaps even family history? Yet some cancers are harder to pin point as the causes are hard to establish.
    I particularly like the family history excuse often used by the medical fraternity. This is used for accident injuries in accident and compensation cases?
    So if you have a car accident it can be summed up as FAMILY HISTORY and Genetics??? I had to laugh, these were specialists, (Insurance Doctors) and the reports were being submitted for court evidence, not only that the victims were advised that their pain was caused by family history and DNA? :-)
    A Uni Lecturer and a Professor in medicine had told me years ago. Medical Science is not an exact Science.
    I wonder what happens when we introduce toxins into our systems, that impede or prevent our immune system from functioning properly? Lets say something common like chlorine and Fluoride in water. (You do know that Sodium Fluoride is an commercial toxic waste by product that has been banned from being dumped into water ways and incurs heavy fines if companies are found dumping it in such a way?) We find that it is used in rat posion. However we have had it introduced into our drinking water?
    The list of side effects is amazing when we consume it. It may be good forbrushing your teeth but is it good for consumption?
    Hell yeah! According to the Governments and the researchers some 60 years ago. Why are there countries that refuse to use it (European) and why are more countries pushing to take it out as well as USA states?
    Public opinion?
    Well, maybe? Is there is valid research to justify this move?
    Now we have just about every country trying to get people to stop smoking.
    Why?
    Back in the 1950ties the Doctors were promoting it as safe and advertising it.
    Could the Doctors have been wrong?
    Maybe they were being paid for the commercials?
    Could it have been a “CONFLICT OF INTEREST”?


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    Shafe Says:

    Oh, God, Thomas! That’s a broad palette of idiotic bad science. Including more of this cancer is a fungus BS. And sodium fluoride is toxic waste? (You do know many municipal water supplies don’t add Sodium Fluoride because the natural levels already meet or exceed the recommended levels? Derrr…) Sodium chloride is also a regulated chemical in waste streams. Are you going to rail against Morton’s Table Salt?

    Your bottle of hydrogen peroxide should have a warning label telling you not to take it internally. Don’t drink it!


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    DV82XL Says:

            Thomas said:

    Good day, DV8@XL, just a question. Do you know what Phenacetin is?
    Why has its use been banned from Internal medical uses?
    Is it true that it is a Grade 1 Carcinogen? Causes renal failure and Intestine cancers?

    Phenacetin was introduced in 1887, it was widely used until the third quarter of the twentieth century until it was ordered withdrawn in 1983, owing to its carcinogenic and kidney-damaging properties. Obviously protocols for new drugs wasn’t as rigorous in the 1880′s as they are now.

            Thomas said:

    Now we have just about every country trying to get people to stop smoking.
    Why?
    Back in the 1950ties the Doctors were promoting it as safe and advertising it.
    Could the Doctors have been wrong?
    Maybe they were being paid for the commercials?
    Could it have been a “CONFLICT OF INTEREST”?

    Yes some MDs were involved in tobacco ads and in my view that was unethical of them, but medicine has never called tobacco use safe and in fact there is many examples going back into the 19th century of warnings by healthcare professionals against smoking. However that some doctors whored themselves out for a buck only proves that this field is populated by humans, with the full gambit of human failings, it does not condemn the profession as a whole.

    That that is all the time I will waste on your babbling screed. No warning labels on H2O2? Please!


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