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		<title>By: J Carlton</title>
		<link>http://depletedcranium.com/how-the-tva-can-abndon-coal-power/comment-page-1/#comment-20015</link>
		<dc:creator>J Carlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that this is topical:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/11/nuclear-roundup-new-plant-costs-are.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that this is topical:<br />
<a href="http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/11/nuclear-roundup-new-plant-costs-are.html" rel="nofollow">http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/11/nuclear-roundup-new-plant-costs-are.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: gmax137</title>
		<link>http://depletedcranium.com/how-the-tva-can-abndon-coal-power/comment-page-1/#comment-20003</link>
		<dc:creator>gmax137</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no argument from me on that, drbuzz0.  Like I said it was a minor quibble.  Whatever concrete work was done for the 1970&#039;s era plants at any of these sites it will surely be demo&#039;d prior to any new construction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no argument from me on that, drbuzz0.  Like I said it was a minor quibble.  Whatever concrete work was done for the 1970&#8217;s era plants at any of these sites it will surely be demo&#8217;d prior to any new construction.</p>
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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
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		<dc:creator>drbuzz0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;19993&quot;]one minor quibble - the Yellow Creek site was to have two CE System 80 PWRs, not BWRs as stated in your blog and in the linked Wiki page (the Wiki page is just wrong on that point).  Though a number of the System 80 units were canceled in the 1980s, three units were completed by Arizona Public Service at their Palo Verde site west of Phoenix.[/quote]

I think I stated that Hartsville was supposed to have the BWR&#039;s.   I was pretty sure of that.   I looked up some historic documents on Hartsville so I&#039;m pretty sure about that.  Uh, I could be wrong about some of the other details.

I don&#039;t know that this really alters this that much anyway.   In both the case of Hartsville and Yellow Creek, there&#039;s not much that could be of use aside from the infrastructure like rail lines and the power line network.  Also, the partial cooling canal should be worth using.


As far as the actual structures, all that was ever built were foundations.  There is one cooling tower that could possibly be of use.   As far as the other foundations, I don&#039;t know, but in all likelihood, they would not be much help - possibly could be used for an auxiliary building, but I doubt they&#039;d contribute all that much.

Most reactors these days are designed for their own style of containment structure, so unfortunately, I doubt the sumps and foundations for the old reactors would do a whole lot of anything.   But then again, they were never past the initial phase of construction anyway.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/how-the-tva-can-abndon-coal-power/#comment-19993"><b>gmax137 said:</b></a></p>
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one minor quibble &#8211; the Yellow Creek site was to have two CE System 80 PWRs, not BWRs as stated in your blog and in the linked Wiki page (the Wiki page is just wrong on that point).  Though a number of the System 80 units were canceled in the 1980s, three units were completed by Arizona Public Service at their Palo Verde site west of Phoenix.</p>
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<p>I think I stated that Hartsville was supposed to have the BWR&#8217;s.   I was pretty sure of that.   I looked up some historic documents on Hartsville so I&#8217;m pretty sure about that.  Uh, I could be wrong about some of the other details.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that this really alters this that much anyway.   In both the case of Hartsville and Yellow Creek, there&#8217;s not much that could be of use aside from the infrastructure like rail lines and the power line network.  Also, the partial cooling canal should be worth using.</p>
<p>As far as the actual structures, all that was ever built were foundations.  There is one cooling tower that could possibly be of use.   As far as the other foundations, I don&#8217;t know, but in all likelihood, they would not be much help &#8211; possibly could be used for an auxiliary building, but I doubt they&#8217;d contribute all that much.</p>
<p>Most reactors these days are designed for their own style of containment structure, so unfortunately, I doubt the sumps and foundations for the old reactors would do a whole lot of anything.   But then again, they were never past the initial phase of construction anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: gmax137</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one minor quibble - the Yellow Creek site was to have two CE System 80 PWRs, not BWRs as stated in your blog and in the linked Wiki page (the Wiki page is just wrong on that point).  Though a number of the System 80 units were canceled in the 1980s, three units were completed by Arizona Public Service at their Palo Verde site west of Phoenix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one minor quibble &#8211; the Yellow Creek site was to have two CE System 80 PWRs, not BWRs as stated in your blog and in the linked Wiki page (the Wiki page is just wrong on that point).  Though a number of the System 80 units were canceled in the 1980s, three units were completed by Arizona Public Service at their Palo Verde site west of Phoenix.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;19988&quot;]I think &quot;politically motivated&quot; is a bit kind to Bruce -- he&#039;s the kind of Democrat I thought only existed in Republican propaganda.  (Unless of course he actually &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a secret Republican trying to make Democrats look like ignorant fools.  Don&#039;t really think so though...)[/quote]


Nah, the current crop of Republican leadership isn&#039;t that bright. I&#039;ve seen others like him on other fora, though - one of whom I&#039;m fairly sure was a paid agitator, given that he stuck almost exactly to the DNC&#039;s official talking points lists.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/how-the-tva-can-abndon-coal-power/#comment-19988"><b>George Carty said:</b></a></p>
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I think &#8220;politically motivated&#8221; is a bit kind to Bruce &#8212; he&#8217;s the kind of Democrat I thought only existed in Republican propaganda.  (Unless of course he actually <i>is</i> a secret Republican trying to make Democrats look like ignorant fools.  Don&#8217;t really think so though&#8230;)</p>
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<p>Nah, the current crop of Republican leadership isn&#8217;t that bright. I&#8217;ve seen others like him on other fora, though &#8211; one of whom I&#8217;m fairly sure was a paid agitator, given that he stuck almost exactly to the DNC&#8217;s official talking points lists.</p>
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		<title>By: George Carty</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;politically motivated&quot; is a bit kind to Bruce -- he&#039;s the kind of Democrat I thought only existed in Republican propaganda.  (Unless of course he actually &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a secret Republican trying to make Democrats look like ignorant fools.  Don&#039;t really think so though...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;politically motivated&#8221; is a bit kind to Bruce &#8212; he&#8217;s the kind of Democrat I thought only existed in Republican propaganda.  (Unless of course he actually <i>is</i> a secret Republican trying to make Democrats look like ignorant fools.  Don&#8217;t really think so though&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: elgatoso</title>
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		<dc:creator>elgatoso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;19985&quot;]Chuck P.,
Chem Geek
I think that the idea of this forum is to show people like Bruce why nuclear power is better that others alternatives and not to show our political ideas.Both of you are not doing any favor to the nuclear power cause.And I am not trying to offend any of you,I only try to show that all that us that favored the nuclear power need to bring more people in with realities and not show off them.[/quote]

Elgatoso,

While normally I would agree with you, Bruce in particular has shown himself over the past months to be both willfully ignorant and very much politically motivated (don&#039;t take my word for it - check the comments section of about 60% of what has been posted in the last several months and see for yourself what he has posted). I think some people (myself included) have lost patience with him. It&#039;s like trying to teach a goat - all that happens is you waste your time and annoy the goat.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/how-the-tva-can-abndon-coal-power/#comment-19985"><b>elgatoso said:</b></a></p>
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Chuck P.,<br />
Chem Geek<br />
I think that the idea of this forum is to show people like Bruce why nuclear power is better that others alternatives and not to show our political ideas.Both of you are not doing any favor to the nuclear power cause.And I am not trying to offend any of you,I only try to show that all that us that favored the nuclear power need to bring more people in with realities and not show off them.</p>
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<p>Elgatoso,</p>
<p>While normally I would agree with you, Bruce in particular has shown himself over the past months to be both willfully ignorant and very much politically motivated (don&#8217;t take my word for it &#8211; check the comments section of about 60% of what has been posted in the last several months and see for yourself what he has posted). I think some people (myself included) have lost patience with him. It&#8217;s like trying to teach a goat &#8211; all that happens is you waste your time and annoy the goat.</p>
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		<title>By: elgatoso</title>
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		<dc:creator>elgatoso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck P.,
Chem Geek 
I think that the idea of this forum is to show people like Bruce why nuclear power is better that others alternatives and not to show our political ideas.Both of you are not doing any favor to the nuclear power cause.And I am not trying to offend any of you,I only try to show that all that us that favored the nuclear power need to bring more people in with realities and not show off them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck P.,<br />
Chem Geek<br />
I think that the idea of this forum is to show people like Bruce why nuclear power is better that others alternatives and not to show our political ideas.Both of you are not doing any favor to the nuclear power cause.And I am not trying to offend any of you,I only try to show that all that us that favored the nuclear power need to bring more people in with realities and not show off them.</p>
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		<title>By: DV82XL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DV82XL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A commenter above, Jason Ribeiro has a great post up over at Pro-Nuclear Democrats highlighting a CNN-Money poll showing that fully 76% of those polled believe that nuclear power is a “safe, clean alternative right now”

It looks like there are more than a few people in the States willing to go that route instead of doing with less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A commenter above, Jason Ribeiro has a great post up over at Pro-Nuclear Democrats highlighting a CNN-Money poll showing that fully 76% of those polled believe that nuclear power is a “safe, clean alternative right now”</p>
<p>It looks like there are more than a few people in the States willing to go that route instead of doing with less.</p>
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