sez said:

why are you all so angry? i wanted to find some factual info on water not having a memory and all i read is you people fighting each other and asking people to take your word for it. what about all the research there is on water actually having a memory? we know molecules can take on energy, we use it daily in our microwaves and lazers so why not homeopathy? can you point me in the direction of some credited research to prove all the others wrong and you right? let’s all respect one another then we can learn and evolve in harmony together…

This is a textbook example of misdirection which makes me think that this is the work of a pro.

Nowhere on this site have any of us that dispute the effectiveness of homeopathy ever demanded that anyone ‘take our word for it’ on any matter of this issue. It fact we have been of one voice in demanding that those that do contend there is an effect show proof.

I also don’t believe that you can here looking for proof that water has no memory, as simple Google search for those terms yield several pages of sites that dismantle that concept in detail – this site doesn’t show up in the first 100 hits.

To me this shows only that you have read nothing published here and are only attempting to create doubt.

        sez said:

why are you all so angry? i wanted to find some factual info on water not having a memory and all i read is you people fighting each other and asking people to take your word for it.

Search homeopathy on the search function on the first page for other posts including some with more research. There have been plenty of studies but I don’t know how you can find factual info on water not having a memory any more than factual info on spider monkeys not having magical powers – it’s about the same kind of thing.

What research?

Water can take on energy. Any molecule can take on energy. Water can be heated (a form of energy) or it can be heavily ionized. You could even impart an electrical charge to water by using it as one of the electrodes in a capacitor or something. This is not “memory” as such.

The idea of homeopathy is totally ridiculous. We’re not talking about ionizing water or changing its physical state. It’s the idea that somehow adding a substance makes the water recognize the properties of said substances as it would be applied to a human and ‘remember’ this to the exclusion of any other impurity the water had ever encounter and then ‘remember’ this more strongly as it is diluted.

There are peer reviewed studies showing that homeopathy is worthless, but if you want a study to disprove magic then I can’t give you that, because magic, by definition is capable of doing anything and therefore hiding itself from scientific studies. It’s like disproving the statement “I can be invisible but I only have the power to do so when nobody is looking and there are no cameras or anything like that”

Respect is meaningless if it is universal. If you respect all things and all ideas then what is respect? It’s something that has no meaning and is just granted without regard to the worth of something. Not all things deserve respect.

Try adding that Orange Squash to the Paciffic Ocean, because that’s closer to what homeopathy is about.

Don’t be ridiculous. Homeopathic solutions are orders of magnitude more dilute than that.

1) I have 2 litres of a 0.1M aqueous solution. How many molecules of the solute are present in this volume of solution?
2) I then mix this solution with 10^60 litres of water to form a diluted solution. What is the concentration of this solution.
3) I take 100ml of this newly diluted solution. How many molecules of solute are present in this volume?

        Amzy said:

Okay let me spell it out for you idiots. It’s not just water. How do I make this simple? Just.like.Orange.squash. A.little.orange.squash.add.a bit.of.water.what.do.you.get?

Try adding that Orange Squash to the Paciffic Ocean, because that’s closer to what homeopathy is about. Besides, it has other bat**** stupid concepts like that the more its diluted the more powerful it gets and “like cures like” symptoms with non regard for the underlying cause.

It’s not always water though. That is what is lost occasionally in this. Sometimes the solvent is something else, like alcohol. At least then if you take enough you won’t care about the what was bothering you. Sometimes it’s also in pill form where you basically buy a pill made out of just pill filler material like corn starch or lactose.

        Amzy said:

(except you don’t really see them do the whole process and its not so obvious the toxins are not in the water by colour)

No, you can’t detect anything by color. You also can’t detect anything by mass spectrometry or neutron scatter or (insert name of whatever hyper-sensitive scientific test you want) because there’s nothing there. Nothing! The probability of there being even one molecule of any active ingredient in the concoction is less than 50% after several dilutions and after enough it becomes astronomically small.

        Amzy said:

It’s really not that complicated. I mean I’m like only 14 and I understand the concept. It’s not rocket science or E=mc (squared). I mean you can believe we all came from monkeys easily, but you wont believe this simplicity. *sigh* What has the world come to?.

No it’s not rocket science, it’s Simple Solutions and Dilutions which used to be covered in high school chemistry. This states that as the amount of dilution increases, the less change there is of finding the diluted molecules in a sample.

At any rate homeopathy contends that it is some magic change in the water itself, a kind of a transubstantiation, that gives their preparations potency and the more dilute it is the stronger they get. Which means your take on it shows as much lack of understanding of homeopathy as it does of science.

Maybe you should take a little chemistry before you make a fool of yourself again on this matter.