Former Canadian Defense Minister on UFO’s

June 28th, 2013
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When it comes to militarily important nations of the world, Canada ranks pretty highly. For one thing, it’s one of the closest (if not THE closest) allies of the US, frequently conducting joint training and exercises with the US military and given privileged access to US military data.  Canada is also a core member of NATO and to a tripartied mutual defense pact with the US and the UK.

Canada and the US both operate the North American Aerospace Defense Command, one of the largest air and space monitoring systems on earth. Canada hosts many of the advanced radar systems used by NORAD. These systems are integrated into a global air and space monitoring system which is responsible for other purposes, including being called upon to track civilian aircraft that go off course and tracking and cataloging orbital debris.

During the Cold War (and to some extent after) it was presumed that any air strike by the Soviet Union or Russia would include attacks on North America, flying over Canada’s airspace. As the second largest nation by area, Canada has enormous airspace and controls a very large portion of the North Atlantic and Pacific as territorial waters.

Although not as large as that of the US, Russia or China, the military of Canada is a very formidable fighting force and has been called upon for combat operations Afghanistan and in support of numerous relief operations and disaster responses around the world.

As a result, the Minister of National Defense of Canada is a pretty damn important job.

Paul Hellyer served briefly in that position.  He was a Canadian Member of Parliament from 1949 to 1974, making him one of the longest serving members of Parliament.  After leaving Parliament, Hellyer served in a number of advisory rolls on affairs related to the Canadian military.  After becoming less active in politics, Hellyer attempted to return to elected office through the formation of the Canadian Action Party in 1997. However, he was defeated in the election.

All things considered, Hellyer has served in some very important positions in a very important country. It might seem odd that he would be intrusted with such posts given that he has had a very strong interest in UFO’s and aliens since at least the late 1960′s. He began making extremely strong statements in the early 2000′s and became a fixture at North American UFO conferences.

Apparently the revival of his interest in UFO’s was the result of reading some conspiracy theorist books on UFO’s. Prior to this, it seems that Hellyer had only a passing interest in the topic and never took a strong stand on the issue. Hellyer has since gone on to claim to claim that UFO’s are absolutely real and demanded that the government’s of the world disclose what they know about alien technology.

In 2005, he stated:

Hellyer warned, “The United States military are preparing weapons which could be used against the aliens, and they could get us into an intergalactic war without us ever having any warning. He stated, “The Bush administration has finally agreed to let the military build a forward base on the moon, which will put them in a better position to keep track of the goings and comings of the visitors from space, and to shoot at them, if they so decide.”

And here is a video of what he had to say about UFO’s more recently:



Just another reminder: This may was once the highest ranking minister overseeing a military force that was equipped with nuclear weapons, loaned from the United States, was responsible for some of the most important radar installations in the world and was a core founding member of NATO.

A little historic background on the issue of military interest in UFO’s:

A UFO is an Unidentified Flying Object.   Before it became associated with the presumption that aliens were visiting the earth, the term was a perfectly acceptable way of acknowledging that there was a flying object, but its identity was not known.   It was therefore entirely proper to say something like “A UFO was spotted” if something was seen or detected, but it was not possible to tell if it was an aircraft, a missile, a balloon or something else entirely.

From the 1940′s up through the 1970′s, the militaries of the West took UFO reports by citizens seriously enough to investigate them and even keep some of the data compiles secret.   There are two reasons for this, which have nothing at all to do with a belief in alien life visiting the earth.  The first was the concern that reports of strange flying objects could indicate some kind of exotic or previously unknown aircraft invading the airspace of the US, Canada or another country without detection.  The fear, of course, was that they could be from the Soviet Union.

This was by no means an unrealistic fear.  At this same time, the US and its allies were regularly violating Soviet airspace with aircraft that were extremely non-conventional by the standards of the day.   The high-flying U2, the extremely fast A-12 and SR-71 and a variety of other experimental aircraft were being flown on a regular basis.

The existence of secret advanced aircraft such as these was another reason why UFO reports were kept secret.  In many cases, it was sightings of these exotic aircraft that caused the reports.  Other programs, such as Project Mogul created UFO reports.   As a result, when a UFO was reported, the military often took steps to make sure it was not a foreign aircraft and that if it was one of their own, the incident was kept under wraps.

Because of these Cold War tensions, UFO’s have become strongly associated with the militaries of the world, especially the US military.   But this does not mean they were alien spacecraft – quite the opposite.  There is no evidence at all to indicate such.  Considering that even the most highly guarded programs were eventually compromised, it’s all but unfathomable that the military could have kept a lid on this for so many decades.


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18 Responses to “Former Canadian Defense Minister on UFO’s”

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    DV82XL Says:

    You didn’t mention this bonehead is the ultimate political whore. First a centrist Liberal, then an Independent, then a Conservative, a party which he was driven out of for being too right wing for most Tories. However in both cases he made credible runs at party leadership, losing both times, but polling second on the early ballots. A few years later he appears as a member of the left-wing New Democratic Party after trying to get them to merge with the (now defunct) Canadian Action Party which he helped form on an anti-globalization platform. The NDP rejected the merger proposal and Hellyer’s offer to run as a candidate for them.

    In other words he is a total opportunist. I believe his interest in UFOs is driven by a desire to remain influential despite having burned bridges with every political camp in the country – in other words the only constituency he has left are the cranks, so that is who he is playing to.

    BTW – His biggest achievement as Minister of Defence was overseeing the very unpopular unification of the Canadian Armed Forces into a single entity which is now being slowly undone by the current government.


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    Jason C Says:

    For those who ‘want to believe’ in UFO’s of alien origin, the hearsay evidence for UFO’s is deep and rich. I dare say some of these people sound pretty darn convincing but some definitely fall into the delusional category. Which leads me to wonder if UFO’s are enough of a sustainable cottage industry to motivate enough people to maintain the mysteries, conspiracy theories and so on?

    If so, they wouldn’t necessarily have to try very hard. I’ve seen people who still believe in crop circles even after there were groups of people who came forth and admitted they created those ‘circles’ and demonstrated how they did it. For those who believe, now there are ‘fake’ crop circles and real crop circles.


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            DV82XL said:

    BTW – His biggest achievement as Minister of Defence was overseeing the very unpopular unification of the Canadian Armed Forces into a single entity which is now being slowly undone by the current government.

    I read that, but I do not see how this was a great achievement on his part, regardless of the circumstances. He did “oversee” it in so far as being the Minister of Defense during the transition, but I haven’t seen anything to indicate he did anything that important in the process.


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    DV82XL Says:

            drbuzz0 said:

    I read that, but I do not see how this was a great achievement on his part, regardless of the circumstances. He did “oversee” it in so far as being the Minister of Defense during the transition, but I haven’t seen anything to indicate he did anything that important in the process.

    I forgot the /sarcasm tag on that. It was no great accomplishment by any means and only serves to underline the fact that he was one of the more useless figures in Canadian federal politics.


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    Gordon Says:

    He is an embarrassment to the country and Candaian military. It’s not just that he’s a horrible politician, because, we actually have plenty of those.

    He is an opportunist who is just lashing onto this because, as DV82XL says, he burned all his bridges and this is what he has left to milk. I have no idea what the old fool actually believes, but maybe he did convince himself of some of this.

    What bothers me is he keeps using his past as an MP and Cabinet member to push this. “I’m the first G8 cabinet level official to acknowledge ET’s.” “I’m the first head of a major military to call for answers on this.”


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    Gordon Says:

    One other thing I want to mention:

    With regards to reports of UFO’s back in the 50′s showing up on radar, it’s not all that far fetched. The radar systems back then could show a lot of false targets or could show real targets but in the wrong place if they were not properly calibrated and adjusted. There are things like ground clutter at close distances and false returns caused by indirect signal paths and that kind of thing.

    Today the radar sets they use are pretty well automated so that the are computers that can compensate for that. But years ago, it was possible, if you did not adjust it properly, that the radar scope might not even be properly displaying which way the antenna is pointing.

    Of course, there were procedures to deal with this. They had check lists to make sure things were calibrated correctly and there was redundancy, like radar stations that overlapped their coverage and that kind of thing. Sometimes errors were made, just the same.


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    Q Says:

    One comment on part of the video where he says there was a formation of UFO’s coming from the North and approaching NATO Territory then turning back at the last moment: Isn’t it entirely possible they *were* Soviet?

    They were known to do such things as a way of testing the response time and seeing what kind of interceptors would be used.

    That seems like a more logical and simple explaination


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    Joffan Says:

    A Canadian Defense Minister believing in UFOs is one thing, but NRC members believing in shutting down nuclear power altogether are another, much more dangerous, thing altogether.


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    DV82XL Says:

            Joffan said:

    A Canadian Defense Minister believing in UFOs is one thing, but NRC members believing in shutting down nuclear power altogether are another, much more dangerous, thing altogether.

    That’s just the tip of the iceberg, current policy doesn’t just seek to dampen the odd controversial story, it passes every bit of information through a political filter from which almost nothing emerges.

    Since Harper pulled out of the Kyoto Protocol, citing skepticism about the cost and efficacy of international efforts to halt climate change his government has been stuck with an unenviable sales job: trying to promote the expansion of Alberta’s oil sands while downplaying the sector’s rapidly growing greenhouse gas emissions and the government’s own inaction.

    In several documented cases, government scientists have been denied permission to speak to the media about studies about Arctic ozone loss, prehistoric floods, and in one case, snow. Natural Resources Canada has adopted particularly strict rules restricting the ability of scientists to talk to the media about the oilsands and Environment Canada specifically forbids scientists from speaking to the public on climate change.

    Last spring, the Harper government sent media relations chaperones to shadow Environment Canada scientists at the International Polar Year Conference in Montreal. Conference participants were ordered to ensure media liaison personnel were present to record all interactions between federal scientists and the media.

    In fact, Canada’s scientists are so frustrated with this government’s recent overhaul of scientific communications policies and cuts to research programmes they took to the streets, marching on Parliament Hill last summer to decry the “Death of Evidence”. Their concerns – expressed on their protest banners – followed a precise logic: “No science, no evidence, no truth, no democracy.”

    Beyond tight communications controls, the Harper Government has also constrained or eliminated several high-profile research labs, scientific institutions, and other data-gathering organisations. The effect of these closures is that evidence – the very building block of science is cut off at its foundation.

    As well NGO environmental groups have been denounced as “radicals,” accused of taking funding from foreign special interests and subject to special audits regarding their charitable status from the Canada Revenue Agency. This May, Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver picked a fight with NASA’s James Hansen, accusing the recently retired climate scientist of “crying wolf all the time” and exaggerating the oil sands potential contribution to global warming.


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    Anon Says:

            DV82XL said:

    As well NGO environmental groups have been denounced as “radicals,” accused of taking funding from foreign special interests and subject to special audits regarding their charitable status from the Canada Revenue Agency.

    But aren’t most of those groups every bit as bad as the deniers? Or to put it more accurately, aren’t they just a different type of denier?


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    DV82XL Says:

            Anon said:

    But aren’t most of those groups every bit as bad as the deniers? Or to put it more accurately, aren’t they just a different type of denier?

    I think it unfair to put them all in the same basket, but that’s not the point: this sort of attack by a government in power against it’s detractors is not the sort of thing that has been practiced in the past in this country and is considered a direct assault on free speech.


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    BMS Says:

            DV82XL said:

    As well NGO environmental groups have been denounced as “radicals,” accused of taking funding from foreign special interests and subject to special audits regarding their charitable status from the Canada Revenue Agency.

    Targeted for special audits? I feel comforted that nothing like that could ever happen south of the border here in the US. No, never! ;-)


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    DV82XL Says:

    Of course the issue is that only those groups that oppose the current governments ideology were singled out for harassment in this way. This is also a government that killed the national census because it was telling them things they did not like to hear.


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    DV82XL Says:

    Just to relate this back to the lead topic: all of these things serve as glaring reasons why we have such a issue with cranks, pseudoscience and fear-driven public opinion. When governments openly suppress dissenting opinion on scientific matters ether by muzzling their own researchers or harassing others it should not be a surprise when people start believing all sorts of nonsense. It just holds the door open for opportunists like Hellyer to sell snake-oil to the masses.


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    John Q Says:

    So…

    How much of this stuff do you think he believes and how much is jsut being a media whore and saying stuff he knows is BS?


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    DV82XL Says:

            John Q said:

    So…

    How much of this stuff do you think he believes and how much is just being a media whore and saying stuff he knows is BS?

    Well let’s do the logic. He is an ex-Minister of National Defense of a NORAD/NATO nation so you’d think he would have been in the loop, BUT he is also still is a Privy Councilor (in fact the longest serving one behind Prince Philip) and is still bound by his oath to the Crown, thus if he was to expose state secrets he could be charged with treason, still a capital offence in Canada and I am sure he knows there are lots of nasty ways the government could make his life a living Hell other than dragging him to court. Consequently my thinking is that this is a total fabrication on his part and that he knows fully well that it is


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    Raoul Says:

    Quite frankly we have to reasonably deduce that extra-terrestrials exist. What they would want with us is another story. Generally speaking westernised society is at best a farce with governments having a vested interest in keeping people in the dark.

    The bastions of our society are corrupt, the powers that be manipulate all through antiquated laws that just do not work & we are undoubtedly heading for a worldwide economic crash.

    Most definately the military would cover up any contact with aliens as the ensuing reaction by the masses could have catasrophic results. Religions of the world would be forced to reconsider their standpoints on our origins.

    My feeling is that perhaps human beings were genitically engineered by alien life forms, for whatever purpose – mayhap crossing the genes between hominids & themselves. Who can say. There is a large evolutionary gap between the hominids & ourselves. We just appeared on the planet.

    Its friday & its been a ****ty week & Im waiting in the workshop for someone to come & fetch a door.

    So anyway, the ex minister does come across as a crank & the footage is not convincing.

    Cheers,,,,,


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    Anon Says:

            Raoul said:

    My feeling is that perhaps human beings were genitically engineered by alien life forms, for whatever purpose – mayhap crossing the genes between hominids & themselves. Who can say. There is a large evolutionary gap between the hominids & ourselves. We just appeared on the planet.

    Nope, there’s quite a long series of intermediate steps between Chimps and us that we don’t need to unnecessarily multiply entities by saying that aliens did it (which is really not much better than god did it as an explanation) especially since any aliens who got to the point of interstellar travel would leave leave very visible signs of their presence in the universe.


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