Depleted Uranium for Dinner

February 29th, 2008
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Not long ago I noticed that during some flaming and name-calling on the the anti-depleted uranium crowed stated that “If you love depleted uranium so much why don’t you have it for dinner.” Well, personally, I don’t “love” depleted uranium any more than I love tungsten, lead, bismuth or any other metal. If I have any affection for the stuff at all, it’s simply that it’s “fertile” for creating nuclear fuel.

But I thought that sounded like a good idea. So I called the bluff and had some depleted uranium for dinner. Here’s a little video that makes light of it. I threw in a few graphics to try to keep people’s attention and admittedly because I had to cut the video down a bit. After all, I don’t want to cram my dinner into such a short period of time, as I might get indigestion.

Hope it does not seem rude to eat in front of everyone, but it’s a bit of tongue-in-cheek humor, after all. ;-)



Some background info:
Why Baseless Anti-Depleted Uranium Rhetoric Bothers Me
Depleted Uranium and Opposition to Wars
Information on Depleted Uranium
Consumer Products Containing Depleted Uranium


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  1. 401
    DV82XL Says:

    Hi James you nit-wit, I see you haven’t given up even though the DU issue has been marginalized, and lost the support of the main-stream antinuclear movement, most because of hysterics like you going overboard with their claims.

    Well Jimmy my boy, time hasn’t mellowed me out, or Roger ether I suspect, so no free passes for you.

    from the paper you linked to:

    “Epidemiological studies have had a difficult time ascertaining the lung cancer risk posed by DU. Our data suggest that in human lung cells, significant clastogenicity is only observed at highly cytotoxic concentrations. Thus, many of the damaged cells will be removed by cell death, and thus if DU is carcinogenic in human lung cells, it may require a high dose or involve a non-genotoxic mechanism.The types of aberrations seen with treatment of particulate DU are consistent with those induced by other carcinogenic metals”

    In other words nothing that wasn’t already true of most heavy metals. Nothing new, and nothing different.


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  2. 402
    James Salsman Says:

    It’s too bad that human nature turns some to insults when they are unable to support their arguments with facts, but who can really blame those who were promised a bright atomic future with flying cars and jet packs? In any case, I bear no ill will. I’ve learned so much about uranyl contamination from coal burning that I can’t regret any of the discussions, even when I am called names.

    “DU aneugenic effects remain high. Thus, there is a need to study the potential role of aneugenic effects of DU in carcinogenic risk assessment linked to uranium internal exposure.” — Darolles, C. et al. (2009) “Different genotoxic profiles between depleted and enriched uranium” Toxicology Letters 192(3):337-48, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.toxlet.2009.11.009


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  3. 403
    DV82XL Says:

    Even after all these years your ego prevents you from overcoming your prejudices in this matter. You still don’t have the education to understand what you are writing about, and you haven’t got the humility to admit you are wrong.

    I’ll engage with you when you show some signs of balanced reasoning in your approach, until then I need not show you any respect – certainly you have never shown me any.


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    James Salsman Says:

    I hope when my child becomes a teen, lack of respect will mean carefully and thoroughly addressing every point raised. But I have no doubt being told that I don’t know what I’m talking about will serve as useful practice.

    “Improve the delivery of benefits to [1991] Veterans with Gulf War-related disabilities by … Expanding training for VBA examiners on how to administer disability claims with multiple known toxin exposure incidents…. Transition from reactive to proactive medical surveillance to help better manage Veterans’ potential hazardous exposures.” — Shinseki (February 27, 2010) “Secretary Shinseki Announces Gulf War Task Force Report” http://www1.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=1858


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            James Salsman said:

    I hope when my child becomes a teen, lack of respect will mean carefully and thoroughly addressing every point raised. But I have no doubt being told that I don’t know what I’m talking about will serve as useful practice.

    Respect is meaningless if given out universally. To be respected, one must be respectable.

            James Salsman said:

    “Improve the delivery of benefits to [1991] Veterans with Gulf War-related disabilities by … Expanding training for VBA examiners on how to administer disability claims with multiple known toxin exposure incidents…. Transition from reactive to proactive medical surveillance to help better manage Veterans’ potential hazardous exposures.” — Shinseki (February 27, 2010) “Secretary Shinseki Announces Gulf War Task Force Report” http://www1.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=1858

    Don’t state with this bull**** telling me that I’m somehow against vets. There’s no doubt in my mind at all that being involved in battles in the Gulf or elsewhere carries the risk of increased health problems. Not only the psycological stress and long term lack of sleep, but the fact that the battlefield included things like burning oil wells, waste burned in open pits, ammo dumps being blown up and potentially chemical weapons being burned.

    I have talked to many vets about the situation in Iraq especially. It’s a toxic waste dump in many cases. Oil refining waste has been left in open pits, improper disposal of any number of materials.

    It’s entirely possible that exposure to these materials has caused out service men and women health problems. Depleted uranium, however, has not.


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    James Salsman Says:

            drbuzz0 said:

    … It’s entirely possible that exposure to these materials has caused out service men and women health problems.

    Depleted uranium, however, has not.

    Steve, two years and more than 100 comments ago http://depletedcranium.com/depleted-uranium-for-dinner/?cp=all#comment-3586 there’s a detailed description of what the only epidemiologists to ever have published a peer reviewed literature review looked at. They came to to the opposite conclusion, that human exposure to depleted uranium is consistent with the birth defects observed. What reason does anyone have to doubt their conclusion?


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            James Salsman said:

    Steve, two years and more than 100 comments ago http://depletedcranium.com/depleted-uranium-for-dinner/?cp=all#comment-3586 there’s a detailed description of what the only epidemiologists to ever have published a peer reviewed literature review looked at. They came to to the opposite conclusion, that human exposure to depleted uranium is consistent with the birth defects observed. What reason does anyone have to doubt their conclusion?

    These “studies” can be broken down into two basic categories:

    1. Laboratory animals were fed copious amounts of uranium and eventually this caused birth defects and all kinds of other problems. No surprise there. You give a rat enough of any toxic heavy metal and eventually it’ll have numerous medical problems and eventually just die.

    2. Medical problems have risen in Iraq and veterans show high rates of certain medical issues. Again, no surprise there. This has been thoroughly refuted. Battlefields are not condusive to good health.

    Some of the data taken very very badly out of context is the Basra rates. It ignores the fact that the increase in birth defects coincides directly with a local uprising after which Saddam Husein effectively ended all services to the area, resulting in sewers overflowing, refinery waste being dumped etc. It was a living hell. Nutrition was poor, stress was high.

    This is why statistics like this can’t be viewed out of context and on their own. There need to be demographic controls to isolate the cause.


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  8. 408
    Roger Helbig Says:

    Hindin et al paper – may it please the court, Dr Hindin is such an esteemed scientist that she became a chef. The paper was heavily influenced by the Trap Rock Peace Center under Charles Jenks and Sunny Miller, both of whom no longer are involved in the managment of this Massachusetts “peace activist” organization.

    I questioned the Journal’s peer review as follows

    Professor Ozonoff,

    I would like to know how your publication performs peer review of manuscripts to assure the public that research articles represent sound science and are not politically biased. In particular, I am concerned with the research article “Teratogenicity of depleted uranium aerosols: A review from an epidemiological perspective” which appears at http://www.ehjournal.net/content/pdf/1476-069X-4-17.pdf .

    The principal researcher Rita Hindin openly admits to being politically motivated to enter into this literature survey research on page 47 of the article

    “Sunny Miller, executive director of Traprock Peace Center of Deerfield, MA hosted a presentation by Damacio Lopez (director of IDUST, International Depleted Uranium Study Team) http://www.idust.net/#HISTORY which Rita Hindin attended and that eventually led to the writing of this paper. Our appreciation. Thanks to Dan Bishop (of IDUST) and Tom Fasy (Mt. Sinai Medical Center, NYC) for their assistance early on explicating DU toxicology, and to the Uranium Weapons Study Team (of Traprock Peace Center) for thoughtful conversations and support to explore leads and deepen understanding of DU. Thanks to the conveners and attendees of the World Uranium Weapons Conference Hamburg Germany, October 16 – 19, 2003. Of greatest importance, Rita’s attendance afforded her the opportunity to share thoughtful conversation with and learn from Iraqi researchers, Drs. Jennan Hassan, Jawad Al-Ali and Souad Al-Azzawi. We offer deep thanks, appreciation and respect for the information they shared, and for work that they and their colleagues are doing. We deeply appreciate the reporters and activists who have managed, against great odds, to report bits of information out of Iraq and who, as responsible, thoughtful citizens of many countries, assert their dignity and demand appropriate response to the challenges posed by DU aerosols. Rita also had the opportunity to speak with and learn from Drs. Chris Busby and Michel Fernex at the Hamburg conference. Their contributions to this paper stem from their long-term, on-going, related research as well as, more particularly, to the helpful and thoughtful comments they gave as peer reviewers of the submitted manuscript. Thanks to Tova Neugut for insightful conversations and for reading many early drafts of the manuscript. Jaime DeLemos helped us figure out the chemistry of depleted uranium.”

    and the materials researched clearly show a bias against the use of depleted uranium munitions and do not show an objective approach to science.

    I look forward to your detailed description of the peer review process as it applied to this specific research article. When you determine that the entire research was biased and not objective, please, remove this publication from your website and indicate why it has been removed for failing to meet objective scientific standards.

    I never received a detailed reply to this question.

    Former Assistant Professor Rita Hindin is no longer in academia. I wonder if it is because of the exceptional poor quality of her politicized research.

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    DV82XL Says:

    Hi Roger


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