Are these “Chemtrail” Planes? No.

December 9th, 2009
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One thing that has been pointed out about “Chemtrail” conspiracy theories is that if there actually were planes spraying chemicals for some evil purpose, they would surely be seen on the ground during maintenance, refueling or topping off the chemical tanks. It’s a bit difficult, after all, to hide a massive fleet of jumbo jets that are constantly out doing evil bidding (mass vaccination, mass poisoning, causing global warming, attempting to counteract global warming, mind control, poisoning or whatever other story is out there – the chemtrail crowd still doesn’t seem to be in agreement as to what the chemicals are for.)



Unfortunately, the chemtrail community has managed to address this point by producing a lot of photos of what they report are chemtrail planes, spotted in flight, on the tarmac, in hangers and occasionally photographed from the inside, presumably leaked by the murderous henchmen of the evil plots.

The reality of these claims: Most of these pictures are real, but they’re not what they are claimed to be. Airplanes are used for a lot more than transporting passengers, and if you look hard enough, you’re bound to find military and civillian aircraft with all kinds of attachments and equipment on them. These include antennas, refueling booms, air samplers, fuel dump ports, anti-missile systems and other hardware.

Now, lets take a look at some of the image claims and the reality of things…


The Claim: These photos show an aircraft from a top secret French Air Force department which has mysterious pods that are used for spraying some kind of chemical

The Reality: If you believe the website where the first photograph is posted, the insignia may indeed be from a French Air Force aircraft. The second photo does not show any insignia or lettering that would indicate country, so it could be American, French or from some other country. The photos show the same basic device. It’s a refueling pod. The pod is attached to a transport aircraft and allows it to act as an aerial refueled. The small propeller in the front is actually a ram-air turbine. It provides power to the pumps and other equipment in the pod from the air flow generated by the aircraft moving forward. This is done to simplify the setup of the system. It avoids having to run wiring or hydraulics to the pod by allowing it to generate its own power internally.

There are several reasons why a removable pod like this might be added to an aircraft. It could be used to allow a transport aircraft to provide refueling capabilities. It may also be added to US Air Force tankers, such as the US KC-135 or French KC-135FR aircraft to provide them with the ability to act as “Probe and Drogue” refuelers without compromising their ability to provide for “boom and receptical” refueling. The boom system is preferred by the US Air Force and is better suited to refueling large aircraft for it’s higher operating speeds and high flow rate. It gives the refueling technician control of a boom that is guided into a reception on the receiving aircraft. The probe and drogue system is simpler and more compact, making it better for use with smaller carrier-based refueling aircraft. It is also can be used for refueling of certain helicopters.

The addition of refueling pods to boom-equipped refueling aircraft allows for refueling of Naval aircraft, as well as refueling of aircraft from allied countries such as the UK, which exclusively use the probe and drogue configuration and would not have aircraft equipped for the boom and receptical method. That appears to be the case in the above pictures. These pods appear to have been attached to air to air refueling aircraft to allow them to provide for probe and drogue refueling, in addition to the boom system.


The Claim: This image shows an aircraft being modified or maintained for chemtrail spraying

The Reality: Just as mentioned above, this is a conversion adapter for a boom refueler to refuel probe and drogue aircraft. In this case, it’s a very simple addition of a drogue adapter to the existing refueling boom. This type of adapter is simple and can be quickly installed or removed. The disadvantage of this type of system over the pod system is that it does not allow the aircraft to act as both a boom and drogue refueler at the same time. By installing the adapter, the boom is no longer functional for refueling aircraft equipped for that system. Of course, this may not always be a concern, depending on the type of aircraft being supported.


The Claim: This photo shows the spraying assembly of an aircraft used to produce chemtrails. Air Force personnel admit that they exist, but say that they’re “not supposed to talk about that.”

The Reality: Well, it does show a spray assembly that is used for spraying a chemical out of an aircraft, but the only chemical it sprays is dihydrogen monoxide (water). This is actually a modified KC-135, which has had the refueling probe replaced with a sprayer that is designed to create a fine mist of water droplets. This one of a kind aircraft is known as the “KC-135 R Airborne Icing Tanker” The purpose of this aircraft is to replicate the conditions that cause ice buildup on aircraft for in flight testing. When flying through “icing conditions” an aircraft can build up a layer of ice on the wings and control surfaces. The ice can present a danger due to increased turbulence and disruption of the airfoil shape of the wings. For the military, there are additional concerns, as even a very thin layer of ice can compromise the stealth properties of low observability aircraft, even if the ice is not severe enough to endanger the aircraft’s flight profile.

The Air Force has used this aircraft to test the severity of ice buildup on various aircraft, the effects on flight and stealth and to test the effectiveness of various methods of reducing ice buildup or removing ice accumulations. The aircraft is not secret nor is its mission. Research has been used by NASA and other civilian agencies in applications related to commercial and civil aircraft icing. Reports indicate that the aircraft would be used by the FAA for research and airframe testing, but the current status is not known, as the report is several years old.

The current aircraft is not the first of this kind. It replaced an older KC-135A which had preformed similar testing until its retirement in 1996. Icing has been a concern since the earliest days of aviation and the use of an aircraft like the KC-135R Airborne Icing Tanker makes it possible to study the effects of differing conditions without having to seek out locations where these conditions exist. As the spray can be controlled and turned off, it is much safer to measure icing in this manner.


The Claim: This photo shows a large chemtrail aircraft dumping massive amounts of chemicals into the atmosphere

The Reality: It’s the Evergreen Supertanker, a uniquely modified 747-200 designed for fighting wild fires. Air drops of water and retardant on fires is a well established and highly effective technique, but many of the aircraft used for this task are quite old airframes, some going back all the way to World War II. The Tanker 910, a DC-10 based “water bomber” demonstrated the feasibility of using jet powered, passenger plane-derived aircraft for the purpose. The supertaker takes it to the next level, with twice the capacity of the Tanker 910, more than any other fire-fighting aircraft.

The aircraft is a former passenger 747, which was acquired by Evergreen International Aviation and modified for this unique mission. The aircraft has been highly successful in fighting fires in the United States and Spain. The large capacity means that fewer aircraft and fewer flights are required and that large ares can be saturated in a single pass. Due to the uniquely large capacity, Evergreen has begun to explore other applications for the Supertanker, including oil spill dispersal, chemical decontamination possibly weather modification – although this would only be a local effect, similar to cloud seeding.


The Claim: It’s a pod that releases chemicals as part of the chemtrail program

The reality: It’s a radome. Structures like this are used to cover antennas to protect them and maintain aerodynamics They’re made of materials like plastic or fiberglass, which allows radio signals to pass through relatively unimpeded. This one is on an E-6B Mercury aircraft and likely contains satellite communications antennas. The E-6 has antennas on the end of each wing and on other points on the aircraft, thus assuring a continuous connection, regardless of how the aircraft is oriented.


The Claim: These images show a chemtrail aircraft at an airport, with nozzles and other spraying equipment visible.


The Reality: It may seem a bit odd that a chemtrail aircraft would need so many different types of nozzles and sprayers, especially the ones that are apparently facing the wrong direction for discharging a spray into the atmosphere. Of course, this is not a chemtrail aircraft at all. It’s an atmospheric research aircraft and those probes and other protrusions are air samplers along with various sensors for things like particle concentration, moisture and other measurements.

The plane is actually operated by the Brookhaven National Laboratory, and its primary purpose is monitoring and measuring levels of various pollutants in the atmosphere. The plane is a Gulfstream G-1 and has been used to measure everything from CO2 levels to various aerosols. It has also flown missions in cooperation with the Argone National Laboratory and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.


The Claim: This is a covert spraying mechanism, it’s designed to be difficult to see and thus identify the aircraft from a “normal” aircraft.

The Reality: This is actually a fuel dump port, and if you’re never seen one in operation during a flight, then that’s a good thing. Not all commercial aircraft have these, but they are commonly found on aircraft which are intended for long duration flights, such as trans-continental passenger service.

Aircraft which fly such routes carry thousands of gallons of fuel, thus making fuel load a significant portion of the aircraft’s weight at takeoff. For many aircraft, the maximum takeoff weight is higher than the maximum landing weight, and when carrying a full load, these aircraft may take off at a total weight higher than the weight they are certified to land at. This is not a problem if the aircraft lands at its planned destination. By the time the aircraft lands, most of the fuel on board will have been used and the reduction in weight means that the aircraft will be well within its maximum landing weight.

However, on occasion, an aircraft may be forced to abort the flight shortly after takeoff and return to the airport it had taken off from or land at another air port, much closer than had been planned. This could be because of a mechanical problem on the aircraft, such as an engine failure or a problem retracting the landing gear. It could also be due to a medical emergency on board the aircraft or because the destination airport is unable to accept the aircraft for unforeseen reasons, such as a radar system failure, a disabled aircraft on the runway or because Greenpeace is pulling a stunt on the tarmac and the entire airport has to be evacuated and everyone re-screened and all aircraft inspected due to a grotesque and astronomically expensive breach of security.

In such circumstances, the aircraft needs to reduce weight to bring it back into the safety margins for landing. Thus, the aircraft must dump fuel. It is directed to an altitude which will assure the fuel disperses before reaching the ground and to an area away from other air traffic or ground development, often out at sea and it jettisons a portion of the fuel through ports which are located away from control surfaces and engines. The enviornmental impacts are relatively low, because this is not done as a matter of routine, and most of the fuel will break down in the atmosphere relatively rapidly. Airlines obviously try to avoid having to do fuel dumps, as it’s a waste of expensive fuel.

On some occasions, a pilot may elect to dump fuel even if the aircraft does not exceed the maximum landing weight, if a non-routine and high risk landing is required. For example, if the landing gear cannot be extended, the aircraft will have to make a “belly landing.” In such circumstances, landing with the fuel tanks nearly empty reduces risk of fire. The majority of fuel would be dumped and the plane would then circle the airport to burn off the remainder of the fuel and land with just barely enough fuel to keep the engines running. Aircraft which are intended for shorter duration travel or which have a maximum take off weight similar to the maximum landing weight, such as the Boeing 757, generally do not have fuel dump systems, and therefore if it is necessary to land the aircraft with nearly empty fuel tanks, such as in the case of a landing gear failure, it may take many hours of circling to burn off fuel.


The Claim: These photos show the interior of a chemtrail sprayer aircraft including a sign clearly indicating the spray unit.


The Reality: The above photos are some of the most common ones on the internet, claiming to show an aircraft equipped to spray chemicals on the population. One might wonder why such an aircraft would have so many small tanks, roughly the size of a keg and not larger tanks. The reason is that this is not a chemtrail sprayer at all, and those tanks are full of water and serve no purpose other than to act as ballast.

The photo actually shows flight testing of a new aircraft type, in this case, the Boeing 777. The tanks of water are placed to simulate the total load and mass distribution of a fully loaded passenger aircraft. In addition to the load tanks, there are several racks of instruments used to monitor and assess the flight characteristics and systems on the aircraft. A few airline-style seats are installed to give the technicians a place to sit for take off and landing. An identical photo can be found here, with the proper description.

It’s not entirely clear what is written in the area that supposedly says “sprayer” but the ones that show a closeup of the area look very suspicious and may very well have been Photoshopped. Those units are not sprayers at all. They’re lavatory units. If you look closely at the one on the left side of the photo, you can even see the latch on the door and the little sign that says “vacant” or “occupied.”

There are other websites claiming to show the interior of chemtrail aircraft which show similar photos of aircraft flight tests. Some websites have photos of an aircraft test, also with rows of ballast tanks. This photo has also shown up on a few chemtrail websites. It shows an Airbus aircraft undergoing flight tests, it also has tanks for ballast, but in this case, the tanks look more like big milk jugs than kegs. It’s the same idea, just a different style of tank being used.

In one, workers are shown during the process of installing the tanks. The site states “Here are the accomplices to murder, on the job, operating the chemtrail spraying machine.”


The Claim: These photos show spraying equipment on aircraft used to create chemtrails.

The Reality: Of all the claims of chemtrail aircraft, this is the only one that has even the slightest shred of truth to it. (that is not to say it’s true, just that it has some truth to it.) These devices do indeed release materials into the atmosphere and they are for the purpose of weather modification, they’re just not as sinister as they’re made out to be. They’re cloud-seeders.

There has been quite a bit of debate over the effectiveness of cloud seeding. The theory behind it is that releasing particles into a can increase the rate of condensation of water vapor and create large enough droplets to trigger precipitation. Materials like salts, silver iodine and dry ice chips have been used. The theory behind this is sound, as it is well documented that sources of dust or other particles can have effects on the rate of precipitation, but evidence for cloud seeding’s effectiveness is limited. Based on current data, it appears that cloud seeding does indeed have some (relatively small) effect on precipitation, but only under very narrow circumstances and within a relatively small locality. The effects are fleeting. While seeding a cloud formation may produce results, it only does so for that formation and thus the results are fleeting.

Cloud seeding cannot produce rain from an otherwise dry sky. It can’t stop a rain storm from happening and it can’t do very much to the weather of a large region. About all it can do is attempt to cause clouds which would produce precipitation anyway to produce the precipitation a little bit sooner than they otherwise would. This could theoretically be of some use in areas of drought, by causing clouds that would otherwise pass by without producing precipitation to instead rain. Unfortunately, in practice, and if it works at all, the results are often disappointing. Another potential use is to “rain out” clouds before they reach a given location. The Chinese government did this during the 2008, and indeed the Olympics did have good weather, but this may have had more to do with luck than the cloud seeding program.

If cloud seeding has any chance at all of producing results like those claimed during the 2008 Olympics, the program has to be absolutely massive. In many cases, the need for continuous seeding precludes the use of aircraft, which would be too expensive. That’s not necessarily an issue, however, because cloud seeding is just as likely to be conducted using ground-based seeding methods, like flare-based seed generators or modified anti-aircraft guns.

Occasionally local governments hire private cloud seeders. Ski resorts and large agricultural operations also have hired cloud seeders. Whether this is actually a worthwhile investment is questionable.

Conclusion: To a paranoid mind, all things seem suspicious and sinister. None of these photographs actually are.


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  1. 51
    Awaiku Says:

    yea, yea *yawn* The fact these programs were a failure does not excuse the fact what they were trying to do. Same as studying Afro American patients for decades falling apart from syphilis under pretext they were treating them, while no treatment was done and all they did was data gathering on how fast and much the body deteriorates, and how does it function when mothers which are not treated deliver babies with same disease. Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment. Or how about this http://www.boydgraves.com/timeline/ and the AIDS flowchart… There are numerous examples of “projects” like this. I don’t need to tell you to get a grip on reality, I’m sure you’re aware of it but decided to work for the dogs that do not give a damn about the ordinary people. Hence this site and your blog is actually trying to cover up for another example of government action versus common people… But it will not work ;-)


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    drbuzz0 Says:

    Of course, both MKUltra and The Tuskegee Experiment were criminal acts that are shameful examples of government corruption. In both cases, the greatest tragety is that they were not fully rooted out until most of those in charge were dead and could not be sent to prison as they deserved.

    This does not mean that there are conspiracies that can effectively circumvent the laws of science. They can’t.


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    evangelios Says:

    Interesting. I know there are pictures on the web showing airplanes spraying massive amounts of chemicals behind it. It would be interesting for this site to debunk that.


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            evangelios said:

    Interesting. I know there are pictures on the web showing airplanes spraying massive amounts of chemicals behind it. It would be interesting for this site to debunk that.

    Would you care to provide a link to these supposed pictures? It’s a bit hard to provide any information without one.


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    Mike S Says:

    Who’s got the depleted cranium? Disinformation blog. Here’s proof that chemtrails exist and they are being sprayed
    to make people sick and ratched up the healthcare and insurance $$$.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSbmIOSrM3Y

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kcTvqiMNl8


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            Mike S said:

    to make people sick and ratched up the healthcare and insurance $$$.

    Insurance companies lose money when people get sick, idiot.

    They found 0.0688 ppm, which is considerably under the standards for water safety, idiot. This is also consistant with the levels naturally found in soil, idiot. Barium is a naturally occuring element, idiot. They only tested for elemental levels and not even the chemical form anyway.

    Read something useful for a change: http://contrailscience.com/barium-chemtrails/

    dramatically different altitudes, idiot. One is up in relatively dry air, probably a cross country or international flight at 40,000+ feet, the other is at a low altitude in moist air.

    Use the site search. Everything that is supposedly indicative of a “Chemtrail” including multiple aircraft leaving different contrails in the same area has been debunked and they’ve existed and been documented since the heyday of aviation.

    http://depletedcranium.com/the-realities-of-contrails/


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  7. 57
    Mike S Says:

    COINTELPRO ALERT!!! AGENT PROVOCATEUR ALERT! DISINFORMATION ALERT! CIA BLOG ALERT!!!


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    Chuck P. Says:

            Mike S said:

    COINTELPRO ALERT!!! AGENT PROVOCATEUR ALERT! DISINFORMATION ALERT! CIA BLOG ALERT!!!

    Jackass alert!!!


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    DV82XL Says:

            Mike S said:

    COINTELPRO ALERT!!! AGENT PROVOCATEUR ALERT! DISINFORMATION ALERT! CIA BLOG ALERT!!!

    That’s right Mike, we already have you traced…wait for the knock on the door. Once we put you on the brain-suck you will turned into a mindless but useful slave.


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            DV82XL said:

    That’s right Mike, we already have you traced…wait for the knock on the door. Once we put you on the brain-suck you will turned into a mindless but useful slave.

    It’s really too bad, you know. If Mike S had just made the one comment and not responded, we could have let it go and just let it look like he was proven wrong. He could have left well enough alone and he would have been classified as a low priority target and probably never bothered.

    He just had to go issue that alert and move himself up to the top of the list!

    The helicopters should be on their way as soon as nightfall.


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    Uncinus Says:

    This image:

    http://www.projectearth.com/Images/CT-wingtips.jpg

    Is not wingtip contrails, those are smoke generator on ECN 4242, see:

    http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/B-747/HTML/ECN-4242.html

    The C-130 picture linked above is not a JATO, it’s a pesticide spray. See original photo:

    http://www.afrc.af.mil/photos/mediagallery.asp?galleryID=326&page=3

    Image text:

    C-130 aircraft from the 910th Airlift Wing, Youngstown Air Reserve Station, Ohio, will continue spraying mosquito pesticide over several Louisiana parishes Sept. 22 in the wake of heavy rainfall and flodding brought on by Hurricane Ike. (Air Force file photo/Airman 1st Class Chad Kellum)


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    SPILLER Says:

    The Pics on this site are stolen from that page :

    http://contrailscience.com/contrail-or-chemtrail/

    Someone who believes in Chemtrail, believes in Santa-Clause ,too


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            SPILLER said:

    The Pics on this site are stolen from that page :

    http://contrailscience.com/contrail-or-chemtrail/

    Someone who believes in Chemtrail, believes in Santa-Clause ,too

    They’re not “Stolen” They’re linked to the original sites that claim that they are chemtrail planes. Most of them originally came somewhere else like the air force site or a book or something. the pages that claim this are linked.

    Contrail science is a good site and I’ve linked to it before on here.


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    Mike Says:

    Thank you, thank you, thank you……I work for an civil aviation regulatory agency (outside the US) & we’ve just received a couple of “reports” and official questions regarding chemtrails.

    I’ve encountered chemtrail bravo-sierra before, but it is REAL nice to have a nice concentrated site to refer to – because quite frankly we do not have “official” debunking data – being in the business of civil service, quite seriously, we don’t have info on what doesn’t exist! :)

    Of course yours isn’t the only site, as you know, but it is a good one!


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    re: Chemtrails (lines in the sky) « Random Stranger Says:

    [...] http://depletedcranium.com/are-these-chemtrail-planes-no/ [...]


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    The Science of Contrails And other readings By Steven Pipkin | War On You: Breaking Alternative News Says:

    [...] Further readings: http://contrailscience.com/a-brief-history-of-chemtrails/ http://www.supercell.org/thomas902.html http://depletedcranium.com/are-these-chemtrail-planes-no/ [...]


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    mayallbeingsbefree Says:

    what an amazingly stupid disinformation site/blog…get over it!!! “geo-engineering” (aka experimental weather modification) exists…yes, unfortunately for the planet and all life on it, including us humans who are poisoning our mother, the fact of geo-engineering cannot be disputed!!! I do not need to inform or educate you about it…if anyone is sincerely interested with an open mind, s/he can find plenty of information/evidence via the Internet, but better yet, just from opening ones eyes and observing…even my kids can and do see what’s going on…face it (literally) cuz it is all happening right in front of your eyes…are you blind?


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    MikeC Says:

    Yes Geo-engineering exists – carbon sequestration, tree planting, “cool roofs” – all exist.

    What has that to do with the chemtrail fantasy??


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    Me Says:

    http://theintelhub.com/2011/10/19/pilot-speaks-out-about-chemtrails-and-haarp


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    Anon Says:

    Now that’s some real nuttery there.

    Linking harmless contrails with an ionospheric research instrument and then going on to link it with better crops than the natural crap the Luddites think we should all eat not to mention non-existent conditions like Morgellons while also thinking that aircraft are a significant contributor to global warming.

    I also like how one of the references is naturalnews which isn’t exactly the most reliable news source on the planet.


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    drbuzz0 Says:

    there is a lot in that article that makes me believe it is completely made up and not written by a pilot at all.

    My familiarity with jet aircraft brings me to the accident. I was headed back to my office when I noticed a jet had overtaken me. The location of a high jet was a bit strange and it looked as if it was losing a lot of fuel. I immediately called the Department of Transport (DOT) to report what I thought was a severe fuel leak.

    That simply makes no sense. If somehow it were possible to discern that the plane was dumping a lot of fuel, that would be more likely to indicate am intentional fuel dumb than a leak, and thus not necessarily a problem. Even if it was, why call? What could you do? If a plane is leaking a lot of fuel (which is a rare event) they would know it.

    But if you did have urgent information to give to an aircraft in flight, why in the hell would you call the DOT? I’m not sure if he means the state or federal Department of Transportation but either way, they have nothing to do with it. They might be the ones to call about a bad pothole.

    You would want to call someone like the regional air traffic control center, or at least whatever air traffic control you could get a hold of. I’m assuming a pilot would know this.

    of course, the whole idea of e. coli being sprayed at altitude to “sterilize the seas” is so idiotic I don’t even know where to start.


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    Mr and Mrs Green Says:

    Can you debunk these?

    If there is no HAARP how would you explain this?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_0rA2b1lg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    Why do the “contrails” not dissipate but spread width ways and make the whole sky White? I have seen this and taken photos in stages. It isn’t cloud? Many others have noticed this too.

    Why is it chemtrails are only appearing in USA Canada UK West Europe Australia New Zealand but only rarely in South America, NOT china or East Europe?  Why did the president of Equador come out and say he wasn’t allowing chemtrailing in Equador if it didn’t exist?

    And why are plane “spraying” then stopping, looping round and spraying again – over people, cities?

    Look at this video – look at 5 minutes – two planes flying at same time, one behind the first. The first has a contrail which dusapeers in seconds, the second stays in the air and spreads? Same atmosphere?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL_nkKFXCGE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    Why are pilots saying there are chemtrails?

    http://theintelhub.com/2011/10/19/pilot-speaks-out-about-chemtrails-and-haarp/#.TqFlS94Ep1I.facebookhttp://theintelhub.com/2011/10/19/pilot-speaks-out-about-chemtrails-and-haarp/#.TqFlS94Ep1I.facebook

    Why are the USA IRS coming out saying there are spraying programmes of toxic chemicals etc?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRTWYf0JaPk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    Sent from my iPod


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    MikeC Says:

    Contrails spread out because they are the same as cirrus clouds, and they spread out in the same circumstances cirrus clouds would spread out – wind shear as they make virga or themselves fall in altitude, and/or nucleation of a supersaturated-with-ice atmosphere making “new” cirrus cloud.

    Curved contrails are usually holding patterns – and thy can be anywhere – from the middle of the Pacific ocean to overhead cities.

    Two jets making different lengths of contrails are not in the same atmosphere – there is nothing in that video that says what altitude they are at – and even a difference of 100 feet can be enough to change contrail characteristics – if you are 50 feet inside a cloud and them move 100 feet so you are 50 feet outside a cloud there is enough difference in the atmosphere to have cloud in 1 place and no cloud in another. Jets will usually be 100 ft or more apart in altitude – and unless you have range finding equipment or flight monitoring software you have no idea of their altitude difference.

    All this is basic aviation and meteorology – you really should get more knowledge before saying this is something strange – I suggest http://www.contrailscience.com as a starting point for your education.


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            Mr and Mrs Green said:

    Can you debunk these?

    If there is no HAARP how would you explain this?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_0rA2b1lg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    There is HAARP. It’s an ionospheric heater, which is a general purpose ionospheric research system. It energizes the ionosphere in order to measure the properties at a given time. This is then used for a variety of research purposes, some with military applications but many without. These include things like improved HF direction finding, improving the reliability and accuracy of GPS, measuring the propagation characteristics of HF radio, generation of ULF radio through secondary emissions, over the horizon radar etc etc.

    It’s not the only facility of its kind. Ionospheric heaters have been a major part of ionosphere research for decades.

    There is another ionospheric heater (smaller) run by the UCLA plasma physics laboratory north of Fairbanks called HIPAS. Russia has one called the Sura ionospheric heating facility. There’s another one in Norway called EISCAT. There are a number of smaller ones in Sweden, Iceland, Finland and Russia.

    It has nothing to do with weather modification. No matter how much energy you pump into the ionosphere above Alaska, you can’t modify the weather around the world. All you get is a slightly excited region of ionosphere locally. It’s not even like it changes the properties of the ionosphere that much. The energy pales in comparison to the energy that the sun is constantly putting into the ionosphere.

    And that picture is a “roll cloud” or “rotor cloud.” It’s a sub-variety of arcus clouds. It’s a well known atmospheric phenomena. It’s a fairly rare event that you only see once in a while. I wish people would just enjoy being treated to a unique weather phenomena like that and not get all wacky about the idea that it must be some evil government project.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcus_cloud

    There you go. You learned something!


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    Anon Says:

            Mr and Mrs Green said:

    Why is it chemtrails are only appearing in USA Canada UK West Europe Australia New Zealand but only rarely in South America, NOT china or East Europe?  Why did the president of Equador come out and say he wasn’t allowing chemtrailing in Equador if it didn’t exist?

    Contrails appear in all countries.

    Oh and if a politicians thinks pandering to conspiracy nutcases will get him the votes he needs to be re-elected he’ll say what they want to hear.

            Mr and Mrs Green said:

    And why are plane “spraying” then stopping, looping round and spraying again – over people, cities?

    Because the runway isn’t yet clear for them to land.

            Mr and Mrs Green said:

    Why are pilots saying there are chemtrails?

    Pilots aren’t, people who claim to be pilots are.


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    Mr and Mrs Green Says:

    Thank you!


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    jc00l Says:

    The best chemtrail dis-information troll site ever! Well done! Funny how these desperate ‘debunking’ sites always resort to calling people names. Did you also do that other infamous dis-information classic: debunking 911? Feel free to prove my point by trolling my comment and calling me names.


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    Anon Says:

    Ah yes, Bozo the clown complaining about being called names.

    Never mind that calling jc00l an idiot is just a statement of fact.


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            jc00l said:

    The best chemtrail dis-information troll site ever! Well done! Funny how these desperate ‘debunking’ sites always resort to calling people names. Did you also do that other infamous dis-information classic: debunking 911? Feel free to prove my point by trolling my comment and calling me names.

    Okay, so explain to me how one of those aircraft is really a chemtrail aircraft. Rather than just declare the site to be a troll site, just show some evidence, or is that asking too much?


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    MikeC Says:

    This isn’t even close to the best chemtrial disinfo site ever – you should pop over to contrailscience.com and get properly insulting.


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    Chemical Jolly Says:

    They are spraying nano particles and biological weapons to kill off certain lower elements of the food chain. This is why bees are dying, fish and birds are dying by the thousands. The Idea is to have complete control over the food supply. Their plan has already failed and everyone is ultimately held accountable for their actions at some point. One Love planet Earth! Victory of the LIGHT!


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    Kirk Mooneyham Says:

            Awaiku said:

    yea, yea *yawn* The fact these programs were a failure does not excuse the fact what they were trying to do. Same as studying Afro American patients for decades falling apart from syphilis under pretext they were treating them, while no treatment was done and all they did was data gathering on how fast and much the body deteriorates, and how does it function when mothers which are not treated deliver babies with same disease. Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment. Or how about this http://www.boydgraves.com/timeline/ and the AIDS flowchart… There are numerous examples of “projects” like this. I don’t need to tell you to get a grip on reality, I’m sure you’re aware of it but decided to work for the dogs that do not give a damn about the ordinary people. Hence this site and your blog is actually trying to cover up for another example of government action versus common people… But it will not work ;-)

    Look, I’m putting my real name on here so you can look me up. I’m an aircraft mechanic, with airframe and powerplant certification. I spent 20 years in the USAF as an aircraft electrician and maintenance supervisor. I worked 5 different airframes and spent time around several others. I’m not sure if you actually believe the stuff you are spouting or you are just trolling in a creative manner. Either way, you are wrong. I’m no fan of the government screwing with people (funny how being an enlisted guy in the military will give you that mindset) but this chemtrail thing is just full of bull.


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    DV82XL Says:

    Kirk – you are wasting your time. I’ve spent over forty years in aerospace and I have arguments with people that have known me longer over this, and I can tell you that the believers will not be swayed by anything like a credible witness. They will tell you that you have been kept in the dark or that you are in on the conspiracy.

    I explain that I have worked both on the manufacturing and maintenance side of the industry and that I have been employed by several different companies, worked on aircraft from all over the world, and that it would be physically impossible to hide the necessary equipment to do what they thing is being done from me, and they still insist that this is happening.

    I even brought one of these people into a hanger where a heavy check was being done and showed them how difficult it would be to hide something from the technicians that work there, and it still did not convince them.

    I was young at the time and still thought that one could win every argument with facts. About a year later the individual that I had tried to show this to wound up in hospital to be treated for what latter developed into a very serious mental disorder from which she suffered from for decades, ending only when she took her own life. Now that is not the case with everyone else that I have argued this topic with nevertheless you will find that just being in aviation doesn’t give your words in this matter any more weight, and that those that are convinced that ‘chemtrails’ are real will not be swayed by any evidence to the contrary.


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            DV82XL said:

    I even brought one of these people into a hanger where a heavy check was being done and showed them how difficult it would be to hide something from the technicians that work there, and it still did not convince them.

    That only proves that the aircraft technicians are all in on it.

    It’s a damn big conspiracy. The technicians, pilots, administrators of the airlines. Everyone at the aircraft companies. The flight controllers, the government, the fuel truck drivers, the guys who empty the lavatory tanks, the gate agents, the air forces of the world. The whole damn supply chain is involved. Not to mention the media.

    You only proved how large it is.

    Many millions are involved. And, obviously, you are one of them.

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    taylor Says:

    any time you hear the term chemtrail, you can bet the person doesnt really know the subject.

    the reality is simple. the term “chemtrails” is meaningless, as any exhaust or emissions from an aircraft are technically chemicals (even if it were just “water vapor contrails”). the implication people may mean by saying “chemtrail” is that some weather modification programs include spraying dangerous toxic chemicals such as aluminum, barium, etc, without the consent or disclosure. agent orange is an example of the lengthy history of programs of atmospheric spraying using aircraft. this history also lends credence to the potential for a large scale program that may not be publicly disclosed.

    it is well documented that there are operative geo-engineering and weather modification program(s) being used.
    there are endless patents of technologies used to manipulate the weather the airforce published a research paper “Owning the Weather in 2025″ that discusses these technologies. nasa has also on its website published that “contrails” are linked to global warming. there are private companies that offer weather services. cloud seeding is weather modification.
    also, there is extensive corroborating evidence that the programs “spraying” chemicals such as barium and aluminum.
    on what scale, by whom, what techniques and for what purpose are the questions people need to be asking?.


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    MikeC Says:

            taylor said:

    it is well documented that there are operative geo-engineering and weather modification program(s) being used.[/quoet]

    No it isn’t – it is well documented that people aer looking at geo-engineering as a possible solution for Global Warming, and that even people who tend to favour it have reservations as to whther or not it would work and what teh side effects might be.

    It is also well documented that weather modification is cloud seeding, and that chemtail beleivers keep thinking it has somethign to do with geoengineering and steering hurricanes.

    [quoet]also, there is extensive corroborating evidence that the programs “spraying” chemicals such as barium and aluminum.

    There is no such corroborating evidence. All there is is peole testing soil and rainwater and even blood, finding exactly what “should” be in there – and then saying hat is made by “chemtrails”. and also people making money from the gullible believers in this hoax.

    on what scale, by whom, what techniques and for what purpose are the questions people need to be asking?.

    Easy to answer: None at all, no one, nothing and whatever you care to imagine to support your paranoia.


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    j.quervo Says:

    I seem to have started something, when I wrote about something I witnessed for about 4 or 5 hours straight, laying out on the beach, on South End of Mustang Island, South of Corpus Christi, Texas, circa: Sept/2009.

    First of all.., there were 4 aircraft in the air simultaneously spraying.., on parallel air-highways, all moving West to East. As for the ‘pilote’ who claims, “they are in a holding pattern, waiting for landing instructions,” or some b/s.
    gimme a break.., they do not start, ‘landing patterns,” at 50,000+feet and have a pattern that runs parallel.., from the Western horizon moving directly across to the Eastern horizon, for as far as one can see ! Also, there were NO C-130s or any other type of Turbo-driven aircraft, operating that day. Not unless they have C-130s with SWEPTBACK WINGS ! These were all IDENTICAL, multi-engine (two powerplants) jet aircraft, clearly visible in a, ‘sharp clear blue sky,’ in the beginning of their laying down whatever material being sprayed. I also submit, these powerplants are exceptionally quiet, Big Fan Units…, because with no other sounds around to distract a person…, there was ZERO sounds, coming from either tanker. BUt, when you make your run at about 9 miles up.., what would one expect to hear? I mean, one of those razor blade.., Dash 9s.., still rocks the Earth when they are headed across the U.S.A., at 35,000 ft ! The Big Fan 737s used by Southwest make plenty of identifiable jet noise, at 35,000 feet, crossing America. Yeah.., the ‘pilote,’ dude, acting like that lady was dumb.., telling her, “they are in a holding pattern,” is obviously one of those who, “DRANK THE KOOL-AID,” too, back in 2008 and 2010, for sure. To the, ‘fuel dumpers,” all I can say is, “get real…, ok! Why would that many aircraft be, ‘dumping fuel,’ on parallel courses, at the same time?” My hat’s off to the gentleman who wrote, “Come on now, my 9 year old, sees and knows what’s going on !” That day in Corpus.., after about 2 hours.., I finally saw a guy walking alone along a bike trail to the beach. I got off my chair…, ran and stopped him.., MADE him look up !
    I began to explain what I’d been watching.., and finally after about 3 or 4 minutes of silence, he says, “Well, I’ll be damn.., they are discharging something into the ATMOSPHERE…” Upon talking for a few minutes, he gives up that he is a recently retired 25 year Naval Intelligence Officer, (looked the part, too), stating, “I’m just so happy to be here.., visiting this wonderful RV Resort and laying back, a bit.” I told him, “That’s the way I was.., until I began concentrating on what I was seeing, as I was looking up !” We parted with him walking away.., shaking his head.., while still looking up. One hour later, the wh0le sky had formed into one cloud cover, blanketing all of Corpus Christi and the adjacent Southern Beach, as far as one could see. I finally realized, “This stuff is going to come down and actually hit the ground.” About 15 mins later, it did…, then I took a couple of breaths of what felt like very fine sand.., being sucked into my lungs.., then coughed twice lightly and the sensation was past. I looked up, to see a Blue Sky !


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    MikeC Says:

    quevro – what you saw sounds like a bunch of airliners flying a similar route in atmospheric conditions conducive to forming contrails – check out flight radar 24.com to see how airliners often fly parallel routes.

    The comments about holding patterns and fuel dumping were not intended to apply to every trail you see – but they apply to a lot of “off” trails that chemmie believers often point out.


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            j.quervo said:

    gimme a break.., they do not start, ‘landing patterns,” at 50,000+feet and have a pattern that runs parallel.., from the Western horizon moving directly across to the Eastern horizon, for as far as one can see !

    It is very hard to judge the altitude of an aircraft visually. However, I very much doubt they were anywhere near 50,000+ feet. The service ceiling on most of those aircraft is 45,000 feet or so, but they usually fly under 40,000 feet.

    Of course, if you actually did believe that they were planning on spraying people, wouldn’t it make sense to fly at lower altitudes so the chemicals would be less dispersed… just sayin…

    If they were at altitude and flying straight across the sky, then they were probably just flying in the middle of their flight path across the country.

            j.quervo said:

    These were all IDENTICAL, multi-engine (two powerplants) jet aircraft, clearly visible in a, ‘sharp clear blue sky,’ in the beginning of their laying down whatever material being sprayed. I also submit, these powerplants are exceptionally quiet, Big Fan Units…, because with no other sounds around to distract a person…, there was ZERO sounds, coming from either tanker. BUt, when you make your run at about 9 miles up.., what would one expect to hear?

    I mean, one of those razor blade.., Dash 9s.., still rocks the Earth when they are headed across the U.S.A., at 35,000 ft ! The Big Fan 737s used by Southwest make plenty of identifiable jet noise, at 35,000 feet, crossing America.

    Um… do you mean the Dash 8? That’s a turboprop, btw.

    Depends on the atmospheric conditions, the altitude, the amount of background sound, and yes, the type of aircraft and engine. The newer high bypass turbofans tend to be quieter than the older lower bypass models and turbojets. Many of the newest have additional features to reduce noise. Having the engine run smoother and quieter tends to improve fuel efficiency.

    The newer 777′s and A-320′s are pretty quiet. Compared to something like the a DC-9, many of which are still in service, they are damn near silent.

            j.quervo said:

    To the, ‘fuel dumpers,” all I can say is, “get real…, ok! Why would that many aircraft be, ‘dumping fuel,’ on parallel courses, at the same time?”

    They probably weren’t. Fuel dumping is a rare occurrence anyway. Sounds more like just some standard issue contrails.

            j.quervo said:

    I began to explain what I’d been watching.., and finally after about 3 or 4 minutes of silence, he says, “Well, I’ll be damn.., they are discharging something into the ATMOSPHERE…”

    Well, if you can’t trust a random guy you ran up to on a bike trail…

            j.quervo said:

    I told him, “That’s the way I was.., until I began concentrating on what I was seeing, as I was looking up !” We parted with him walking away.., shaking his head.., while still looking up. One hour later, the wh0le sky had formed into one cloud cover, blanketing all of Corpus Christi and the adjacent Southern Beach, as far as one could see. I finally realized, “This stuff is going to come down and actually hit the ground.” About 15 mins later, it did…, then I took a couple of breaths of what felt like very fine sand.., being sucked into my lungs.., then coughed twice lightly and the sensation was past. I looked up, to see a Blue Sky !

    So this fine dust managed to spread out across the whole sky, presumably at several thousand feet in altitude, then it all came down to ground level, in a period of fifteen minutes, and by the time you had finished taking a couple breaths, thus dust, which had been at cloud altitude, just fifteen minutes earlier, had completely fallen from suspension and was no longer detectable?

    That’s… interesting.


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    tomtom Says:

    i wonder why i don’t see chem trails in our country, Philippines. i live in manila the country’s capital. i also grew up in a town where we see airplanes above everyday. the only thing i remember seeing in the sky that looks like chem trails are those from fast military jets. but those are contrails and they disappear after a while. i saw a movie in youtube “what the hell are they spraying on us” i think there is truth to it. i just hope that americans or even europeans will open their eyes and see what is really happening in their respective countries so they can do something to stop whatever it is.


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    Anon Says:

            tomtom said:

    i wonder why i don’t see chem trails in our country, Philippines.

    Because there is no such thing.

            tomtom said:

    i live in manila the country’s capital. i also grew up in a town where we see airplanes above everyday. the only thing i remember seeing in the sky that looks like chem trails are those from fast military jets. but those are contrails and they disappear after a while.

    All contrails disappear eventually, even chemtrails (which are composed of the extremely deadly dihydrogen monoxide).

            tomtom said:

    i saw a movie in youtube “what the hell are they spraying on us” i think there is truth to it.

    As I said, they are spraying dihydrogen monoxide which is very dangerous.

            tomtom said:

    i just hope that americans or even europeans will open their eyes and see what is really happening in their respective countries so they can do something to stop whatever it is.

    Yes, we see that a lot of people don’t understand basic science, yourself included.


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    ateloiv Says:

    Exclusive: Leaked Photos of Chemtrail Dispersal System
    http://www.reallibertymedia.com/2013/11/exclusive-photos-of-chemtrail-dispersal-system/

    any comments?


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    DV82XL Says:

            ateloiv said:

    Exclusive: Leaked Photos of Chemtrail Dispersal System

    They are photos of a airborn dispersant system that will be used to fight oil spills at sea (think Deepwater Horizon incident class events.) The system is currently under development at Commercial Jet, in Miami. This can be confirmed by calling them at 1-834 -873-4450 if they haven’t lost their patience by now.


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    Justin Franks Says:

            ateloiv said:

    Exclusive: Leaked Photos of Chemtrail Dispersal System
    http://www.reallibertymedia.com/2013/11/exclusive-photos-of-chemtrail-dispersal-system/

    any comments?

    Oil spill dispersal system.


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