Fema Concentration Camp? Er, maybe not

December 12th, 2007
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FEMA concentration camps? Well according to some in the conspiracy theory movement FEMA has been operating concentration camps for the purpose of containing and eliminating those who do not approve of the current administration. (Guess I better run and hide because I have had a few rather negative things to say about the current administration.) I’m not sure why it’s FEMA. Not the FBI or CIA or NSA, but FEMA? What’s next. The US Geological Survey, the Department of Agriculture and the Library Of Congress opening extermination centers? And maybe the national weather service too!

But seriously, here is a video which has been showing up on Youtube and elsewhere and reporting to show a Fema concentration camp located in Beech Grove Indiana, where apparently US citizens are taken against their will as part of the master plan by the powers that be.


More on these claims:
Another Youtube video (this one with some Pink Floyd music)
American Concentration Camps!
FEMA Operating Concentration Camps in the US!
FEMA DEATH CAMP Filmed!
US Death Camps!
Some dude on Myspace who thinks he lives next to a concentration camp…

Now The reality:

Beech Grove is one of the larger Amtrak maintiance facilities which overhauls coach cars and locomotives. In the past it’s fate has been in question due to downsizing and the possibility that the facility would be closed. However it has recently received a few upgrades and continues in operation. Facilities like this are often kept open, even if not really needed due to the fact that closing and selling off the land could mean expensive enviornmental cleanups. At this time, it remains one of the major sites for storage and maintenance of Amtrak rolling stock, employing 640 workers.

The images to the left show the interior and exterior of the largest structure. They were taken in 2007 by a railroad fan who toured the facility. The larger buildings have large doors on each end, allowing passersby to see inside when they are open. It’s not exactly “hidden.” It also apparently is not difficult to get into and there are numerous photos avaliable which show the interior and the operations which go on in the shops. Of course, they could all be from members of the conspiracy. There are many who have claimed to have toured the shops at Beech Grove. Must be a huge conspiracy! But then again, aren’t they all? (Source of photos)

The Barbed Wire – Rail yards and alike are well known as targets for vandalism and can be a liability for those who might come on the premises. Barbed wire fences typically are slanted inward. They are not generally used for the purposes of containment in prisons or other situations where high security is needed. In such circumstances, razor wire is preferred.

Cameras – Another common way of maintaining security in an industrial area where trespassers or vandals might either cause damage or be a liability due to the dangers of rail yards.

Flood Light Towers – These do not appear to be a new addition by any measure. Flood light towers are a very common site at rail yards both to keep trespassers at bay and for safety reasons. Having train cars rolling around is always a potentially dangerous situation, especially since many do not have lights. Also, trespassers and vandals have been a problem for railroads since back in the days of the boxcar hobo.

“Helicopter” Markers on Wires - The balls placed on overhead wires make them more visible. These may be for low flying aircraft or helicopters, however they are also common in areas where the wires may be inadvertently clipped by tall equipment such as cranes, lifts or double-decker train cars. This is not unusual for an industrial facility.

Installing of Concrete Floors and Equipment – There’s little reason to think anything sinister here. The Amtrak facility has received major upgrades on a few occasions including in the past few years. The facility has been in danger of closing in recent times, and because of the economic importance of Amtrak to Beech Grove, local politicians have helped to secure some major upgrades to the facility in order to help secure its future and prevent it from being closed.

The Helicopter - Looks civilian. Well it is black. I’ve seen helicopters before too.

Radio Towers – Maybe cell phone towers or local municipal communications. Otherwise they could be railroad communications towers. You see radio towers everywhere.

“Red Zone” Signs – I have no idea what this means but it probably is some sort of caution sign which implies not to park on the tracks or go too close to moving trains

The US Air Force “Train” – Actually it’s not a train. It’s just a locomotive. It’s not even a big locomotive. It’s a “switching” locomotive, used for shot spurs, moving cars around a stockyard and that sort of thing. Apparently the locomotive had previously been used at an Air Force base for moving around rail cars before it was acquired by Amtrak as surplus. It sat in the yard for a short time before being repainted. It now looks like this:

(source of photo and info)

Some more info on the Beech Grove Facility:

The facility(as mentioned) employs about 640 full time workers. None seem to have any special security clearance. it has been visited and toured on a number of occasions by railroading enthusiasts. It also appears on photo galleries of rail enthusiast websites. And has hosted public events as recently as this year.

It is not at all secluded, as can be seen in this image. There is a large group of homes just a short distance away and a busy street which goes by the perimeter of the location. There is baseball field and park just south of the location and to the north there is an area of undeveloped land with what appears to be dirt bike or ATV trails which have been recently used. This is not uncommon for such land areas. In a town where I used to live, a large area of woods and sand pits had been heavily used by ATV’s and dirt bikes.

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Upon zooming into the area around the buildings there is no sign of anything suspicious. A lot of apparent “junk” is lying around as well as several railroad wheel bases and rail cars, most apparently passenger cars. There are a few buildings, the largest is about three hundred by six hundred feet and is the main workshop. It does not show any signs of being especially secure and looks like an ordinary warehouse.

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As shown here, there is a major public street which runs by the perimeter of the facility. Only a chain link fence separates onlookers from what is happening inside the area. Numerous homes and businesses are within a short distance from the location. This image seems to have been taken on a weekend or after hours, as most of the parking lot is empty, but there is one train apparently in transit.

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View this area for yourself in Google Maps

Conclusion:

Do I really need to go into how flawed the logic is here? Clearly there is little sign of anything suspicious going on, and this place is hardly the sort of area where one would want to locate a “concentration camp.” Given that it’s entirely within sight of the public and that all it includes are a few warehouse-like buildings. The video contends that there are preparations being made for the arrival of the oppressed masses, but there’s no actual account of anything happening here like that. More than a few people have been inside the facility and can attest that all they do is overhaul trains. Based on all avaliable information, that seems to be the most reasonable conclusion.

More info:

2007 Railroad Convention
More 2007 Photos Of Beech Grove
Thread of Railroad enthusiasts laughing at the “tin-foil hat” claims about the site.
Upcoming Events in Beech Grove (Including some at the Amtrak yard)
Photos from the Beech Grove Shops (A bit old – 1998)
Rail Photos Including Some of the Beech Grove Shops
News on Renovations at Beech Grove
Mock Disiaster Training Exercise at Yard (with community and fire dept participation)

2001 Photos Of Beech Grove Shop
2007 Tour of the Shops


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  1. 51
    Eric T. Says:

    Look. I am from Beech Grove. There have been rumors about that facility holding Army guns and ammo since the 60′s. I will say that it has a creepy element. I am also a theroist myself. I think that unless you have witnessed the government at work or been locked up, you’ll never believe what your mind can’t concieve! I’m not saying that they are making AmTrak a F.E.M.A. camp. What i will say is this. I know a man that has done maintence there for over 10 yrs. He tells me that something isn’t right there and he works there everyday! His words and i quote ” Eric. I am not the most intelligent man in the world. But, I do know what is and isn’t supposed to be there and there is a lot of stuff that isn’t supposed to be there. ” Now, i know this makes no difference in most opinions but, I believe anything is possible. While everyone is on you tube , look up mtv martial law commericals


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    Eric Says:

    Guys in towers with guns… that would probably secure the parameter. Just wanted to keep the idea of camps on a solid ground of logic and say, ‘does it matter how easy the fence is to climb when people have shoot to kill orders?’


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    drdough Says:

    I live right behind this facility. Guess Im one of the people to blame for the ATVs lol. This place is not guarded, the parking lot is wide open. I know someone that still works there, needless to say he had a good laugh about this article. Cant lie though, when i saw the youtube video i almost believed it, until commen sense kicked in(and emailed my friend with the link). Yes from the aerial view it looks like it could be a prison, but im sure a lot of old warehouse properties would. Also, theres plenty of broken fencing around the area if anyone wanted in. That doesnt exactly sound like big brother to me. They have been doing major renovations to all the warehouses in southside indianapolis. Whether thats tearing them down or upgrading them. There are NO towers with guards LOL.


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    Smiles Says:

    YOUR FORGETTING THE *NEW* 110,000 PRISON TRAINS with shackels .
    YOUR forgetting the SUPER EXPENSIVE TURNSTILES. with electronic readers. That scan a microchip not a timecard.
    They look brand new along with the furnaces. I figure the train will pass through a heated area. Say 200 to 300 degrees. the human cargo will die pretty fast, then just have soldiers /nato clean the train cars and reload them. I mean our nato troops are in other countries killing people. Why not kill americans. WHY** well look around Einstein.
    You live in a home or apt. with NO fruit trees or nut trees, your not growing food or raising livestock or chickens.or hens for eggs. You may shuffle papers around but you do not produce any thing of value. Good Bye, enjoy the train ride, If you collecting SSi you will be on that train. Look at all the new home built in the last 30 years, Not 1 fruit tree. look at all the schools ,Not 1 fruit tree. I think it is a crime, but to raise profits companies lay off people. Well SSI will go broke soon, the TARP money went to corporations and banks NOT to the citizens. To balance trade and reduce the deficit. Just kill off the dregs of society. I hope I am wrong,,,,States could easily plant thousand of trees and cut food costs, poverty in USA and cut energy consumption, But they don’t want to give your tax money back, they want to spend it. YOU ARE FU**KED.. Get every person to plant food trees and you might make it.


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  5. 55
    Smiles for EINSTEIN. Says:

    YOU TUBE has a great vido of the PRISION TRAINS IN THE USA.
    Cots and water, are you kidding me, There wont be any overnight survivors. The train station is where you will be killed. It will be loaded somewhere else, run through the furnace, then you will be tossed in a pit/grave.
    Unless every citizen in the USA, grows their own food and more to share and sell….they will be exterminated.
    Once gas is $15 dollars a gallon and food is scarce. The food trains will come to town, Cell phones will stop working under marshall law. So your starving, cold and have kids. You walk to the train station, get on and go right to the oven. Nato will control your food, then no gasoline, no heat, no food what are you going to do. Your going to be a hungry pissed oooff person with zero patience, when you charge the cops or food supply you will be shot. Have you seen the WAR over water rights in the USA, States are selling the water rights to non USA corporations,THe fed is printing a trillion dollars further diluting the dollar and adding to our problems, when our dollar is rapidy devalued it will take 20 bucks to buy a gallon of gas, So the corp that owns the water supply just opens the dams in winter, there is no water in summer, your done,and it will happen in a few months, FASTER than you can imagine. I am 50 and I am sickend by what I have discovered. Cant eat your gun, maybe your dog, There will be NO trucks with fuel to haul food from out of state. Strikes will happen in protest but it won’t do any good,stores will be empty, everyone will be unemployed,the only cure will be mass extinction, Or you could start PLANTING, but yoiu won’t & when you come steal fruit from my tree I willhave to shootyou so I survive ….Enjoy your heated train ride,it will be fast….


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    King Abudaba Says:

    Plant a solution,
    I mean come on, you can’t buy 100 dollars worth of fruit/nut/avocado trees? You can’t plant date palm trees in desert island places. Look around, How far will you have to walk to get enough food to survive a week when stores are closed .empty and abandoned? I thought it could not happen. Look at how the fedreserve lowered rates and created the dotcom bust,wall street made billions, the people behind the scams started making new dot com companies and got you mutual fund money, then they lowered rates again and created the home bubble. Every move they make you lose. 401k is now 25% of what it was before. USA homes are worth NOTHING, the bank got all your equity,,,,,They loaned you money from China and 100 other countries, those countries got screwed too. Unless you have a gun and ammo you will be robbed by your neighbors for your food. Unless you plant fruit trees away from your house you will be robbed and killed for your fruit. THink about it. Plant something today


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  7. 57
    Finrod Says:

    Smiles, I think you may benefit from some professional counselling.


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  8. 58
    Richard Miller Says:

    Smiles, where are the new trains with shackles reported?


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            Smiles said:

    YOUR FORGETTING THE *NEW* 110,000 PRISON TRAINS with shackels .

    This page has a “search” feature and this was addressed before. The so-called prison trains are not 110,000 in number and they’re not prison trains. They’re cars called “autorack” carriers. Double-decker automobile carriers used to transport cars and light trucks cross-country as seen here:

    http://depletedcranium.com/omg-fema-trains-near-new-york-no-not-really

    The outside is not even that secure. They have corrugated steel panels to keep rocks and stuff from hitting the vehicles and causing damage and to provide some protection from vandalism. It’s certainly not a secure way to hold prisoners, as a group of people could likely push their way out.

    There are no shackles. There are chains that some have claimed are shackles. Chains are attached to the floor of the cars. These are used to secure the cars, either attaching them to the bumbers or tires, so they don’t roll around and get damaged.

            Smiles said:

    YOUR forgetting the SUPER EXPENSIVE TURNSTILES. with electronic readers. That scan a microchip not a timecard.

    Do you have any evidence that they are super expensive? And why can’t a microchip or magnetic card be used as a time card? You know not all time cards are the traditional type, made of paper and stamped with ink. Many are now smart cards or magnetic cards that interface with an automated time clock system.

            Smiles said:

    They look brand new along with the furnaces. I figure the train will pass through a heated area. Say 200 to 300 degrees. the human cargo will die pretty fast, then just have soldiers /nato clean the train cars and reload them.

    An interesting (and crazy) hypothysis, but there are many problems with it. I’ve never heard of any kind of extermination camp or genocide operation working that way, for one.

    1. The “furnaces” are just hot air blowers for heating. They don’t get that hot.
    2. The buildings are not insulated to contain that kind of heat. Heating them to that temperature would involve enormous loss and thus be extremely expensive.
    3. It’s not actually that fast a way of killing people.
    4. It would damage the rail cars. Bearings would seize, axles would expand and deform, grease and lubrication could be burned off, rubber gaskets for brake lines would be destroyed. Rail cars are not designed to be heated like that and modifying them to withstand that kind of heat repeatedly would be very expensive.

            Smiles said:

    You live in a home or apt. with NO fruit trees or nut trees, your not growing food or raising livestock or chickens.or hens for eggs.

    Uh yeah… you have no idea where I live, but in any case, if you did want to feed yourself, fruit and nut trees would probably not be the way to go. Too short a season and not enough calories per acre. You’d be better off with potatoes and corn as your primary crop.

    But anyway, if you actually believe this, you might want to consider just stocking up. Not that I’m condoning this ridiculous notion, but the average person eats about one short ton of food per year. You can actually sustain a person with less than half that if you go with high density foods that are dehydrated.

    You could store enough food for a family to live for many years in a fairly reasonable amount of space – maybe a couple of shipping containers.

    Considering how unreliable and backbreaking subsistence agriculture is, I think I’d rather live my life off of canned and dehydrated foods.

    Not that I expect that to happen…


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    rochelle walsh Says:

    when new world order comes in 2012 everything changes you should be careful and be ready for it.


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            rochelle walsh said:

    when new world order comes in 2012 everything changes you should be careful and be ready for it.

    So in addition to believing that in 2012 the governments of the world will merge into a massive conspiracy of Illuminati and lizard people, bent on killing everyone, you also think you’re going to be okay because you’re “ready” and “careful???”

    What does this readiness entail? A basement full of canned corn, a pocket knife and a cb radio?


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    Tam Says:

            HLain46227 said:

    Judging from it’s condition, some of it may date back to World War II. Did POWs pass through this facility on their way to camp Atterbury? Oh, I forgot about that. Do any of you know about Camp Atterbury in Johnson and Bartholomew Counties south of Indianapolis?

    Don’t forget the actual WWII POW camp at Fort Ben.

    It’s only disguised as a POW camp museum…


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  13. 63
    VoiceOfReason Says:

    Guys. The trains aren’t for killing people. They’re obviously for cooking them! Why would we waste all that meat?

    When the Collapse comes, people will be the readiest source of protein! Those of us with guns will be able to choose what kind of cut we want, too. Fancy some nice lean meat? Stake out a gym or health club. Nice flavorful fatty cut? Head for Wal-Mart! Of course, you’d have to pick off a straggler; wouldn’t want to spook the herd, eh?

    And we can get the rest of our nutrients from the crops we plant. This is quite clearly our benevolent government planning for a famine. Waste not, want not – right?


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  14. 64
    Anon Says:

    VoiceOfReason: Please use the <sarcasm> tag next time.

    Oh well, as long as it’s all natural.


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    Jeffrey Newell Says:

            Eric T. said:

    Look. I am from Beech Grove. There have been rumors about that facility holding Army guns and ammo since the 60′s. I will say that it has a creepy element. I am also a theroist myself. I think that unless you have witnessed the government at work or been locked up, you’ll never believe what your mind can’t concieve! I’m not saying that they are making AmTrak a F.E.M.A. camp. What i will say is this. I know a man that has done maintence there for over 10 yrs. He tells me that something isn’t right there and he works there everyday! His words and i quote ” Eric. I am not the most intelligent man in the world. But, I do know what is and isn’t supposed to be there and there is a lot of stuff that isn’t supposed to be there. ” Now, i know this makes no difference in most opinions but, I believe anything is possible. While everyone is on you tube , look up mtv martial law commericals

    Those MTV “martial law” commercials had nothing to do with martial law at all. Those two commercials were about the holocaust and how it happened to the Jews who were living normal lives when the Nazis came in. The whole martial law thing is a mistranslation.


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    Richard Miller Says:

    Eric try and get the man to elaborate a bit please. The fence and turnstiles do look a bit extreme, maybe just that causes some mysticism. But if people that work there say there are things that shouldn’t be there this is interesting.


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  17. 67
    Phil Says:

    Hello every1,

    If I may add my comment about this subject! It is by far no suprise to me that this is going on, and furthermore this world belongs to satan and his followers, so who cares what they say or do! It is their time “God gave it to satan” remember! Pray, and stay in your Word! Give your lives to Christ! Get baptized! and be Holy for our Heavenly Father is Holy! Closing Note, “do not be afraid of the one who can kill the body, but kill both body and soul” if it was my way, “I would lay my life down for all my Heavenly Father children! And till that day and even now! I’m honored to serve my God! So again “don’t allow the spirit of fear to overcome you” and know that God is with us! One more thing too if I may add, blessed is he who is persecuted because of me!

    I love you all!

    Philip Aaron Evans


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    DV82XL Says:

    When you subscribe to an established religion, you have only two choices. You can become an idiot, or you can become a hypocrite. If you’ve already chosen the former, I’ll explain why, and I’ll use small words so that you’re sure to understand.

    You willingly swallow all of the contrived, man-made drivel that’s fed to you. Accept that the earth is only 10,000 years old. Believe stories about dead bodies coming back to life. Learn about various deities and such. Put your trust in someone who thinks they know what they’re talking about. Eat your dogma. Good boy!

    Congratulations! You’re a believer. You’ll be saved, enlightened, and greeted with tremendous fanfare when you die… unless of course all the stuff you were taught turns out not to be true. Nah… if the guy in the robe says it’s true, it must be true. Ya gotta have faith, right?

    Do you realize how deluded you are?


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  19. 69
    Michael Z. Williamson Says:

    Someone on the internet heard from someone who works there who admits he isn’t too bright that something didn’t look right.

    I’m convinced.

    That someone isn’t too bright.

    FYI, the SEALS did some training there–on how to recover hostages from a train, because it’s a place they can get hands on a train for training. That was about 20 years ago, no idea if they still do. I’m sure that’s part of the UN or Saucer People, too.

    Don’t forget MUTC–no fences, a website with schedule, and we filmed some Discovery Channel and Nat Geo stuff–they just shuffled the secret conspiracy parts around us so we didn’t notice. ;)


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    Michael Z. Williamson Says:

            Smiles for EINSTEIN. said:

    YOU TUBE has a great vido of the PRISION TRAINS IN THE USA.
    Cots and water, are you kidding me, There wont be any overnight survivors. The train station is where you will be killed. It will be loaded somewhere else, run through the furnace, then you will be tossed in a pit/grave.
    Unless every citizen in the USA, grows their own food and more to share and sell….they will be exterminated.
    Once gas is $15 dollars a gallon and food is scarce. The food trains will come to town, Cell phones will stop working under marshall law. So your starving, cold and have kids. You walk to the train station, get on and go right to the oven. Nato will control your food, then no gasoline, no heat, no food what are you going to do. Your going to be a hungry pissed oooff person with zero patience, when you charge the cops or food supply you will be shot..

    I’m going to be mean and call you a retard.

    NATO didn’t even have enough ammo to secure Libya without US help. You’ve specified no reason for this to happen, no benefit to it, and obviously have no grasp of economics–you don’t just shut down large chunks of an economy (by killing people) and keep a functioning nation.

    Also, if you believe that every cop and soldier is a mindless drone who’ll blindly go along with something like this, you must think they’re as retarded as you are.


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    Anon Says:

            Michael Z. Williamson said:

    Also, if you believe that every cop and soldier is a mindless drone who’ll blindly go along with something like this, you must think they’re as retarded as you are.

    Sadly there are a significant amount of cops and soldiers who would go along with it, certainly there has been in past oppressive countries and I don’t see any reason to believe the Milgram experiments are less valid today than when they were conducted.

    Still doesn’t make the idea of FEMA running concentration camps not be the delusion of crackpots.


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    DV82XL Says:

            Anon said:

    Sadly there are a significant amount of cops and soldiers who would go along with it, certainly there has been in past oppressive countries and I don’t see any reason to believe the Milgram experiments are less valid today than when they were conducted.

    The question that needs to be asked is if the military leadership would go along with it. I don’t doubt the rank and file would do as they are told (up to a point) but, as we have seen in such situations as the fall of the Ceaușescu regime, the officer class can only be pushed so far. While this is hardly the type of safeguard to depend on, the situation, particularly in someplace like the U.S. with a culture of independent thought is not that bleak that any effort of the sort that this conspiracy theory suggests wouldn’t face some serious push back from those tasked to carry it out.


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