Dr. Robert O. Becker M. D – Not exactly “mainstream”

April 8th, 2008
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…well to put it lightly. The other thing which could be said is that the guy appears to be a nut.

If you look at the flyer from the “Radiation Research Trust” you’ll notice that a very alarmist quote by a Dr. Robert O. Becker is featured right on the front page. It goes on to say he is twice nominated for the Nobel Prize. (Of course it does not mention that being ‘nominated’ means absolutely nothing – Adolf Hitler was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.. seriously). However I had not heard of Dr. Becker so I decided to do some searching.

It seems he is indeed very involved in the whole “cell phones and wireless devices are going to kill us all” movement. He has been big among the electrosensitivity crowd. Here are a few pages which quote his expertise:

Mast Victims
The Council on Wireless Technology Impacts

EMF Safety Vancouver
Wave Guide
EMF Pollution

He’s also pretty big into such things as:

Colloidal Silver
(I’m only listing one page on this topic but actually he’s apparently big in the whole colloidal silver scam world)

“Curing Cancer” with silver ions
“Vital Energy” Medicine
Regenerating Tissue by Means of Energy Fields and Ions
Conspiracy Theories about How Alternative Medicine is Being Undermined
“Bio-Kinetic Restoration” of the Immune System


And apparently he’s a favorite of the dowsing movement as well..

He’s also written a few books. His best known one is “The Body Electric” which is a rehash of the idea that the foundation of life is not physical or biochemical but rather is based on biological electro or electromagnetic energy fields. He also wrote “Electromagnetism and life,” which has a similar basic theme. More recently he helped found the whole radiation-stupid movement with “Cross Currents: The Perils of Electropollution” in 1990. Oh yes, he also was one of the editors for “Advances in Parapsychological Research.

So that should give everyone a clue about at least one frequently-quoted “authority.” I’d encourage those who are a bit suspicious about a certain group making wild claims to at the very least Google the names of some of their proclaimed “experts.” This is, of course, all the more true if they have some wild and entirely empty claims attached to them, such as being a “Nobel Prize Nominee.”


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31 Responses to “Dr. Robert O. Becker M. D – Not exactly “mainstream””

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    CtlAltDel Says:

    Jeez why does it NOT surprise me that someone involved in the whole ES craze would be a certified quack?


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    Gordon Says:

    Colloidal Silver, eh? I just Goggled his name and I found a bunch of hits on “Silver ions” and “Silver treatment” and that whole thing. Obvious quack.


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    Q Says:

    These types generally associate themselves with whatever far-out group will give them a platform. These groups are so desperate for anyone who they think might be able to be sold as an “expert” and these types are so washed up they’re equally desperate for a platform and some attention. They’ll speak for a group touting how electromagnetic treatments regenerate tissue and then talk to one that says EMF fields are killing us then they’ll say silver is the cure all and that homeopathy is the cureall.

    Seriously, they get to the point where they don’t care. They just want to see their name out there.

    It sounds like this guy has just worn out his usefulness and is happy for anyone to put a mic infront of him.


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    Chem Geek Gregor Says:

    Well you know just making stuff up is a lot easier than actually doing the work and you have less freedom to come up with interesting stuff when you are limited to reality. This is all the more true if you don’t know that much. Then you have a lot less to work with so pulling it out of your ass is a lot easier isn’t it?


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    DV82XL Says:

    Nothing is new under the Sun 18th century the German physician Franz Anton Mesmer claimed that he and others possessed magnétisme animal, usually translated as animal magnetism. He claimed, could affect the flow of the universal fluid pervading all things and this, in turn, could heal the sick and cure the blind. This bit of medical quackery was known as Mesmerism and flourished in Europe for several decades.

    It would appear that Mr. Becker is reviving that idea.


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    Trumbles Says:

    Oh this whole thing must have been rehashed several dozen times at least. There were plenty of “bio electric” devices in the 1920′s which gave you a mild shock or worse and removed money from your wallet in the process. I remember reading about Galvani (sp?) being obsessed with the idea that life was actually governed by electricity and death was caused by electricity being discharged from the body thus removing the working mechanism. He did some gruesome experiments with electrostatic generators and dead bodies (and yeah they did jump around and grunt and all that stuff) It may have been something of an inspiration for Mary Shelly’s Frankenstein.

    Old news. This guy is just a whack job and he’s not even original.

    Silver ions too? Oh brother. Heard that one a few thousand times too many!


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    Giant Pulsating Brain Says:

    Yep. Not a new idea. Just a crazy one. I wonder if he actually had a legitimate MD. Perhaps he did but then decided to just go into BS instead. (as in bull****). I have heard of mail order PhD’s but not MD’s because that usually gets you in more trouble when you try to practice medicine.

    Whatever suffix the guy wants to afix to his name, I think it;s apparent he’s a nutter.


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    Carl Says:

    He’s been called worse by people with many more suffixes after their names than you idiots, so what you think is of little import. As for the validity of his research, would any of you try living next to a 765Kv transmission line? If so, let’s talk in 20 years and see how you’re doing.


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            Carl said:

    He’s been called worse by people with many more suffixes after their names than you idiots, so what you think is of little import.

    What I think? No, that’s not the topic. Lets talk the facts.

    It’s not what any one person thinks. I think he’s a nutty wacko, but what really matters is the fact that his research is based on a premise that is entirely against all scientific knowledge acquired in the past century and has zero evidence behind it. Science in general rejects his contentions, not just me.

    As for the validity of his research, would any of you try living next to a 765Kv transmission line? If so, let’s talk in 20 years and see how you’re doing.

    Assuming that it was an otherwise good home that met my requirements, budget, location and so on any transmission lines would play no role in my decision to live somewhere. Yes, I’d be fine with that. Although a 765Kv line is actually pretty unusually high, especially in my area which is densely populated enough that you don’t really see any super-long-haul transmission like you might get on the American Plains.

    That being said, I’ve been in the presence of a couple hundred kilovolts on many occasions. Higher generally has been limited to electrostatics and such. Also, I’ve taken a hit from 40 kv or so on a few occasions. It’ll sure wake you up int he morning!


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    DV82XL Says:

            Carl said:

    He’s been called worse by people with many more suffixes after their names than you idiots, so what you think is of little import. As for the validity of his research, would any of you try living next to a 765Kv transmission line? If so, let’s talk in 20 years and see how you’re doing.

    Obviously Carl here subscribes to the notion that the more some crank is vilified by the establishment, the more profound the crank’s ravings must be.


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    user Says:

    obviously none of you have had the guts to try colloidal silver for yourself. try it and then talk smack. those who don’t try things on their own are nutters. what about the reality of silver band aids and such? just putting those out of your mind? you are all so lost. look into ionoshpere technology and tell me there is no correlation between EMF and the human body!


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            user said:

    obviously none of you have had the guts to try colloidal silver for yourself. try it and then talk smack.

    The method of “try it yourself and see how it works for you” is not how science based medicine works. You don’t evaluate drugs by trying them on one person and then concluding that it is valid or not. You use independent groups with controls and in a clinical setting to observe the results.

    I am not going to subject myself to the use of a product that is useless and potentially harmful, according to the science we have on it.

    However, considering the risk from limited use is pretty minimal, I would consider using colloidal silver by volunteering to be part of a test group to evaluate its effectiveness – IF there was sound scientific reason to think it might be effective in some capacity or another.

    But just trying it to see what I think and then using my own personal and anecdotal experience to evaluate it?

    No, that’s not how we do things these days. Good thing too!


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    Q Says:

            user said:

    obviously none of you have had the guts to try colloidal silver for yourself. try it and then talk smack. those who don’t try things on their own are nutters.

    I’ve never tried potassium cyanide either and I don’t intend. I don’t use products or substances that have no benefit and carry risks. I’d rather look at the data from controlled studies to see if it is effective or not.

            user said:

    you are all so lost. look into ionoshpere technology and tell me there is no correlation between EMF and the human body!

    What does the ionosphere have to do with things? the ionosphere is several miles up in the sky and the technology that uses it is shortwave radio. What does that have to do with the human body?

    The only thing electromagnetic fields can do do harm the human body is if they’re so powerful they create local currents and can, in some circumstances, cook you just like any other kind of heating energy can. That is why I recommend not standing directly in front of a high power radar dish or disabling the door sensor on your microwave and then sticking your head into it.


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    Solo NOTs auditors - data on total numbers and cancer and suicides - Page 12 - Why We Protest | Activism Forum Says:

    [...] full professor at the State University of New York and was twice nominated for the Nobel Prize. Depleted Cranium It always bothers when a "researcher" need to resort to conspiracy theories to defend [...]


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    Ashley Says:

    I stumbled across this blog post just today, and I would like to state the following facts:

    Dr. Robert O Becker is frequently misquoted by collodial silver fanatics, and almost always his quotes are illegal uses of his material. During his lifetime he NEVER supported the use of collodial silver.

    He was nominated for two Nobel Prizes in medicine.


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            Ashley said:

    He was nominated for two Nobel Prizes in medicine.

    There is no such thing as a Nobel prize nomination, or rather, no official recondition of being nominated. The Nobel prize committee does not release the names of anyone who is nominated, so it could only be known if the person or persons who nominated them did so publicly.

    Being “Nominat” for a Nobel prize is meaningless because it simply means your name was officially given to the Nobel Prize committee as a suggestion for a person to give the prize to. They might have crumpled it and thrown it in the trash as soon as getting it.

    Exactly who has standing to make an official “nomination” is a very broad group. It includes former Nobel lauriets, elected officials, heads of state, professors (varying requirements for tenure, field and such things), members of international courts, members of professional scientific organizations, foundation chairs..

    The actual requirements for nominating someone depend on the prize and are subject to change, but generally it’s not a terribly exclusive group.

    Thus, being “nominated” can be something as meaningless as finding a professor willing to send a certified letter to the Nobel committee making your nomination.

    It means nothing

    Hitler was nominated for the Peace Prize.


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    Pete Says:

    Why don’t some of you cynical naysayers do some proper research into the bloke you’re all vilifying.
    If you do a Search on Becker RO in the Pubmed site you’ll find 91 articles with his name attached. He did exhaustive work from the late 50s through to 79 having more papers plublished in a decade then most would in a lifetime. He was way ahead of his time with some of the bio-electric discoveries he made in the 60s only now being accepted as truths in the last few years by main stream science.
    I challenge any of you fools, at least those of you who appear to be servants of science, to read his book “The Body Electric” and not be eating your malicious words within a few chapters. His methods of experiments were all thorough and meticulous in delivery. There is no mention of Colloidal Silver, though he does use silver electrodes throughout the book for very specific reasons. Eg page 166 “We tried silver, platinum, gold, stainless steel, and copper electrodes using a wide range of currents, on four disparate kinds of bacteria, including Staphylococcus aureus,….. :All five metals stopped growth of all bacteria at both poles as long as we used high currents. Unfortunately, high currents also produced toxic effects-chemical changes in the medium, gas formation, and corrosion with all but the silver electrode…..Silver at the positive pole killed or deactivated every type of bacteria without side effects, even with very low currents.” His work with silver on bacteria was only as a consequence to his main body of work as an orthopaedic surgeon with non unions and as a researcher in electrophysiology accomplishing partial limb regeneration in frogs and mice.


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    Jenny Says:

    Sad that you have so much criticism for Dr Becker – it only makes you look like an uninformed. Do some broad research for a change – studying one person’s work (lightly) and then condemning their work, doesn’t
    give you much credibility – it just shows ignorance. As our bodies are 65-90% water driven by energy, we are like a huge hydro electric plant. If you have a set of identical twins lying on the ground, one being dead and the other alive, they are both still organic matter, both still contain water – however the only difference between the two is that the power -energy- “lights” have gone out in the deceased twin. Go study Quantum Mechanics and then you may understand “Beam me up Scotty” Oh! you know that uneasy feeling you get when there is someone near you……..yes that one! It’s you picking up that other person’s negative “energy” field. In fact I am feeling some bad energy on this post, so I guess I will say cheers and leave.

    Oh btw about Nobel Peace Prizes ——-Obama got one didn’t he – I don’t really think they are all they are cracked up to be…….


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    DV82XL Says:

    On the other hand why don’t you do some research, AFTER grounding yourself in science.

    Guaranteed whenever someone commenting here tells us to “do some research” they have no real idea of what the term ‘research’ really means. Despite what you might think, it does not mean sifting through the Web looking for sites that back up your beliefs. Rather its a process were all information on a subject is gathered, pro and con, vetting each for things like the authority of the authors, how much support their views are given in the broader scientific community, and how reliable the sources are that are quoted, among many other other things. Then the material that is left is weighed, one against the other, to see if a logical conclusion can be drawn.

    That is what it means to research something, what you do is nothing compared to it, so do not presume to instruct us to ‘do the research’ – we have done it – and garbage like that produced by Becker has been found wanting.


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            Jenny said:

    Sad that you have so much criticism for Dr Becker – it only makes you look like an uninformed. Do some broad research for a change – studying one person’s work (lightly) and then condemning their work, doesn’t
    give you much credibility – it just shows ignorance. As our bodies are 65-90% water driven by energy, we are like a huge hydro electric plant. If you have a set of identical twins lying on the ground, one being dead and the other alive, they are both still organic matter, both still contain water – however the only difference between the two is that the power -energy- “lights” have gone out in the deceased twin.

    Ok… not quite sure you get what is going on here.

    The human body does, like all living things, produce energy to power itself. However, being made of water is not really the important thing there, and no it’s nothing like a hydroelectric power plant. It’s not the weight of water that causes the energy release.

    Water is there as a medium, as it is in most biological reactions, but the energy is produced by a chemical reaction. It’s enzyme-catalized oxidation of glucose that really powers the human body. Carbohydrates and fats are broken down to glucose which is taken into cells and it produces energy by a reaction with enzymes that are in the mitochondria of all the cells.

    The human body is not fundamentally an electrical system. It has electrical aspects. Electrical impulses do transmit nerve signals and are responsible for timing in the heart and the brain works through a combination of electrical impulses and chemical transmitters. But there is no unifying electrical force or anything like that.

    Now as far as a dead body versus a live one, you kinda get it, but not really. When a body dies, blood stops flowing and oxygen stops reaching the cells of the body. This causes them to shut down. The chemical reactions can’t happen without oxygen. The body may do anaerobic respiration briefly, but it can’t sustain the cells on this.

    Interestingly, after a human is declared dead, most of the cells and tissues are functional for a little while. If you pull organs from a person who has just died they’ll still work for a bit if you give them a new blood supply. Tissues can be taken and cultured – they will still grow even hours after death. The exception is brain and nerve cells, which have the shortest tolerance to being in a state of not having oxygen. They first go into shock and then the chemical reactions start to go wrong and damage the cells and produce toxins.

    This happens with other cells too, but it takes longer. It can be slowed by keeping them cool, which is why organs are transported in coolers. But basically what eventually happens is the cells break down. If they are not rebuilding themselves they start to fall apart.

    There is not much “quantum” going on.

            Jenny said:

    Oh btw about Nobel Peace Prizes ——-Obama got one didn’t he – I don’t really think they are all they are cracked up to be…….

    Ok, you have a point there. The Nobel prize has been awarded for invention of the lobotomy and the Peace Prize has been given to a number of individuals who are controversial. Obama is one, but also Henry Kissinger and Yasser Arafat.


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    Jenny Says:

    Thanks for taking the time to reply. Thanks for your explanation of death. I have attended many tutorials in morgues at hospitals and experienced the movement bodies after they have been proclaimed dead. hair and nails grow after a person is deceased also.

    However I stand firm on energy as all living creatures are one energy resonating at different levels of consciousness. If water is not important (as you say) why do we consist of 65-90% water – our brain consists of 90% water. I often refer to our body as a walking swimming pool. Yet so many people take better care of their swimming pools than their own body. They take great care to make sure their swimming pools are between 7.5 to 10 PH, they use hydrochloric acid to kill pool bacteria and use a good filter system regularly and detox their pools by removing debris. Our body requires the same PH 7.5 to 10 in order to be alkaline enough to avoid dis-ease. Dis-ease only exists in an acid state, if one has the correct PH, they will be dis-ease free. Doctors give their patients antacids to fix digestive disorders – when really our stomach requires Hydrocholoric acid to kill bacteria in the gut.

    You seem to forget that the energy (Kilojoules) we get from our food, comes from an energetic source, whether one is vegetarian or meat eaters, it doesn’t matter – everything we ingest that is (hopefully) organic and has been interfered with through genetically modifying it or by adding synthetic chemicals originally comes from a living source which is…..ENERGY! The sun is our power station in the sky, we need the sun for photosynthesis to take place, we need the Vitamin D3 from the Sun to ward off disease, it is now a known fact that the lack of sun is responsible for many diseases, the main one being cancer – as much as Big Pharma tries to keep everyone out of the sun, so they can flog their wonder drug – Chemotherapy which is a Multi Billion dollar money spinner for them.

    Now tell me about how unimportant energy is to all of us human beings – I am a certified energy healer and I can tell you with much experience that when our systems are out of sync, through emotional, nutritional physical or spiritual reasons, energy healing works and our bodies work better through ingesting live enzyme rich organic phyto nutrients containing mono saccharides (sugars) which enable cells to communicate with one another – these are just another source of “live” energy in addition to the energy that we can download or access from the Universe (quantum physics reference).

    I will stop right here, as it seems that we are obtaining our information from different sources – I download most of mine directly from the Universal Mind which I call the ” great library in the sky” wherein all information is stored and which everyone has access to ~ if only they would believe this. Information is flying past us all the time – all we need to do to access it is to ASK questions

    k
    Interesting isn’t it. You say oxygen is important, have you forgotten that water is H2O.
    The human body is made up of many systems and is constructed of countless tubes a bit like a river system, with many estuaries and creeks.


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    Jenny Says:

    Forgot to say, that Colloidal Silver is pure water that has been charged (energized) with Silver –
    just a very simple explanation of its healing and natural antibiotic properties. Just as charging water with loving words and good intention can positively charge a glass of water and change the shape of the water molecules ref: Dr Masaru Emoto ” The Secret Life of Water” ISBN 1416522182. There are many You Tube videos on Dr Emoto’s work…..
    Water is powerful, what we put in it has an effect on it, just as the silver rod that electrically charges water into Colloidal silver (a natural antibiotic) there are many other ways that water can be enhanced – watch this video of a German Study on Water’s memory :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSyt_Hhbjg&feature=related


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    Jenny Says:

    oops! my second to last post ” Hasn’t been interferred with” (goes to show that our brains have difficulty processing negatives….lol)


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    Anon Says:

            Jenny said:

    Sad that you have so much criticism for Dr Becker – it only makes you look like an uninformed. Do some broad research for a change – studying one person’s work (lightly) and then condemning their work, doesn’t
    give you much credibility – it just shows ignorance.

    You’ve done a great show showing us your ignorance.

            Jenny said:

    As our bodies are 65-90% water driven by energy, we are like a huge hydro electric plant.

    Hydro-electric plants get their energy from converting potential energy of water at high altitude into kinetic energy of water falling from a height, I’m pretty sure no one is tall enough to get any significant amount of energy from that process.

            Jenny said:

    Go study Quantum Mechanics and then you may understand “Beam me up Scotty”

    Studied it as part of my physics degree (i.e. I probably understand better than any ‘graduate’ of the university of Google) and you clearly don’t have a clue about it.

            Jenny said:

    Oh! you know that uneasy feeling you get when there is someone near you……..yes that one!

    Has absolutely nothing to do with quantum mechanics (though psychologists might have partial explanations for why people sometimes get bad feelings about others).

            Jenny said:

    It’s you picking up that other person’s negative “energy” field.

    Do you even know what energy is?

            Jenny said:

    Oh btw about Nobel Peace Prizes ——-Obama got one didn’t he – I don’t really think they are all they are cracked up to be…….

    Given that they hand them out for not being George W. Bush there might be a point there but he’s hardly the first person who didn’t deserve one to get one (and hardly the worst such case either).

            Jenny said:

    However I stand firm on energy as all living creatures are one energy resonating at different levels of consciousness.

    Then you do not understand what energy is, maybe you should try looking it up in a dictionary.

            Jenny said:

    If water is not important (as you say) why do we consist of 65-90% water – our brain consists of 90% water.

    Water is pretty much the universal solvent, that makes it useful for life.

            Jenny said:

    Dis-ease only exists in an acid state, if one has the correct PH, they will be dis-ease free.

    Never heard of the germ theory of disease? It may well be the most important scientific discovery of all time (almost certainly the most important in medicine) and even if not was still one of the most important things we ever learnt.

            Jenny said:

    Doctors give their patients antacids to fix digestive disorders – when really our stomach requires Hydrocholoric acid to kill bacteria in the gut.

    Some of those bacteria are worth having around although antibiotics are more effective against Ulcers.

            Jenny said:

    Now tell me about how unimportant energy is to all of us human beings – I am a certified energy healer

    Translation: Quack.

            Jenny said:

    and I can tell you with much experience that when our systems are out of sync, through emotional, nutritional physical or spiritual reasons, energy healing works and our bodies work better through ingesting live enzyme rich organic phyto nutrients containing mono saccharides (sugars) which enable cells to communicate with one another – these are just another source of “live” energy in addition to the energy that we can download or access from the Universe (quantum physics reference).

    You don’t even know what energy is and have no understanding of quantum physics (you probably couldn’t even calculate a commutator).

            Jenny said:

    Forgot to say, that Colloidal Silver is pure water that has been charged (energized) with Silver -

    It hasn’t been charged or energised in any way, just had a suspension of silver put in it.

            Jenny said:

    just a very simple explanation of its healing and natural antibiotic properties.

    Yes, we all know about Argyria which those who take such crap tend to end up suffering from.

    It also is a bit too toxic to humans to be a decent antibiotic.


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    Hannes Dorfmann Says:

    Dr. Becker was impeccable as a researcher. Your attacks upon him are unsense. I am sorry for you.


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    DV82XL Says:

            Hannes Dorfmann said:

    Dr. Becker was impeccable as a researcher. Your attacks upon him are unsense. I am sorry for you.

    You obviously have a far more relaxed definition of ‘impeccable’ than anyone else.


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    Daniel Harrington Says:

    I worked with Dr. Becker in the late ’60s, along with Andy Marino and Joe Spadaro.

    Dr. Becker was an original thinker, and was willing to put himself out there for the criticism.

    I can never remember a time when he became upset by someone’s comments. Instead, he would continue to design experiments.

    There is no doubt that small amounts of electric current in living systems has a biological effect, and that those effects are a “key” effect, disappearing once you leave the “key” region.

    He was a classically trained, practicing orthopedic surgeon, and a good one. He took the slings and arrows with a smile, and continued to think “outside the box”.

    Was he always right? Hardly. But he was probing interesting ideas, and there is little doubt of the importance of bone’s anabolic response to small amounts of electric current.

    He was also a very interesting character.

    Dan


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    Scott Says:

            Pete said:

    Why don’t some of you cynical naysayers do some proper research into the bloke you’re all vilifying.
    If you do a Search on Becker RO in the Pubmed site you’ll find 91 articles with his name attached. He did exhaustive work from the late 50s through to 79 having more papers plublished in a decade then most would in a lifetime. He was way ahead of his time with some of the bio-electric discoveries he made in the 60s only now being accepted as truths in the last few years by main stream science.
    I challenge any of you fools, at least those of you who appear to be servants of science, to read his book “The Body Electric” and not be eating your malicious words within a few chapters. His methods of experiments were all thorough and meticulous in delivery. There is no mention of Colloidal Silver, though he does use silver electrodes throughout the book for very specific reasons. Eg page 166 “We tried silver, platinum, gold, stainless steel, and copper electrodes using a wide range of currents, on four disparate kinds of bacteria, including Staphylococcus aureus,….. :All five metals stopped growth of all bacteria at both poles as long as we used high currents. Unfortunately, high currents also produced toxic effects-chemical changes in the medium, gas formation, and corrosion with all but the silver electrode…..Silver at the positive pole killed or deactivated every type of bacteria without side effects, even with very low currents.” His work with silver on bacteria was only as a consequence to his main body of work as an orthopaedic surgeon with non unions and as a researcher in electrophysiology accomplishing partial limb regeneration in frogs and mice.

    Hey – somebody that has actually read the book.

    Why do all of these “quack” sites resort to name calling.

    “…well to put it lightly. The other thing which could be said is that the guy appears to be a nut.”

    So doing research and drawing conclusions from that research qualifies you as a “nut’?

    “It seems he is indeed very involved in the whole “cell phones and wireless devices are going to kill us all” movement.” – Interesting – tell me, how many cell phones were there when he did his research in the 60s and 70s?

    “Here are a few pages which quote his expertise:” – so you are attempting to discredit the man by linking to sites that may be attempting to exploit his research? What does that have to do with him or his research for that matter?

    “He’s also pretty big into such things as:
    Colloidal Silver”

    Uh, no.

    How about some general critiques of his research and/or findings? Or is that too difficult for your puny intellect? I know, I know – name calling and straw man arguments are much easier….


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    DV82XL Says:

    There’s been a lot of development in the field since he wrote his early papers, and it’s fairly safe to say that research has gone far beyond that early work. The fact is that regardless of if he was legitimate or not, all of his hypothesis have been shown to be in error by subsequent studies and indeed if he was a legitimate scientist, I suspect he would be the first to admit it were he still around.

    This is at the root of much junk science – old material is offered up as evidence without mentioning that it has been superseded and it really doesn’t matter how eminent the first researcher was, or how widely accepted his ideas were at the time.


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    Pete Says:

            DV82XL said:

    There’s been a lot of development in the field since he wrote his early papers, and it’s fairly safe to say that research has gone far beyond that early work.

    Fair comment,

            DV82XL said:

    The fact is that regardless of if he was legitimate or not, all of his hypothesis have been shown to be in error by subsequent studies

    “All his hypothesis”…”Shown to be in error”…Seriously??? (I could come at some of his hypotheses, have shown to be incorrect, but All!!)
    Could you be a bit more specific about the hypotheses that were in error and how & what “studies” have shown them wrong?

            DV82XL said:

    -old material is offered up as evidence without mentioning that it has been superseded and it really doesn’t matter how eminent the first researcher was, or how widely accepted his ideas were at the time.

    So your telling me that the laws of physics have changed since Robert did his experiments, and if replicated today would garner different results? Or if not replicated, how were they superseded?

            DV82XL said:

    old material is offered up as evidence

    His evidence was in the form of experiments. His hypotheses were an ongoing and ever evolving interpretation of of the evidence, and they should be confused with each other.
    please note, not trying to be a literate w@nk and it may have just been a typo, but Hypothesis is in the singular, “es” is plural


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    DV82XL Says:

    In the context of this thread I am only interested in his stands on the topics of the leading post. As for what you choose or do not choose to believe about them neither I or anyone here cares. If you are going to argue that they are valid the onus is on you to provide proof, not on us to show that they are wrong.

    As it stand the scientific consensus on the effects of low level, low flux EMF is that it is not a health hazard and this is based on a great deal of legitimate research done over several years. Legitimate medicinal use of silver-containing products has dramatically diminished over the last several decades for the simple reason that better performing compounds are available in these categories, and no real benefits over the considerable risks have been found for self-administered colloidal silver. In all fairness it does look like the colloidal silver quacks have been misrepresenting Becker’s work with silver compounds to support their claims.

    Again, this is our position based on that of mainstream science and as such we do not have to offer support.


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