Depleted Uranium: It’s all around you!

January 24th, 2008
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I’m really getting sick and tired of all the crap out there about how depleted uranium is poisoning everyone from US soldiers to Iraqi and Afghan civilians. Just searching for it on youtube, for example, shows a real lot of bull that lacks any basis in science. There are not enough websites or other information sources out there which are actually providing an accurate message about the toxicity of this material, which is pretty well established in science and has been for some time.

I’d like to point out that depleted uranium is not exactly limited to weapons of war and thus I’ve created a list of civilian and consumer products which make use of the same material which many claim is so deadly. Many of these products contain only small amounts of DU, but remember: According to the critics, just living in an area downwind from where DU has been used can have major health effects. Thus, if these claims are to believe, then one must consider depleted uranium so dangerous that even exposure to micrograms quantities is highly dangerous.

Depleted uranium is really not much different than “natural” uranium. The only difference is that it is nearly 100% uranium-238, while naturally occurring uranium is about 99.2% U-238, .7% U-235 and about .1% U-233, U-234 and other isotopes. It’s chemically identical and slightly less radioactive than natural uranium. Depleted uranium has replaced natural uranium in most non-nuclear applications. It’s a byproduct material but not really “waste.”

It would be fair to include natural uranium sources which someone is likely to encounter on a regular basis. These include numerous minerals as well as products ranging from kitty litter to other mineral-based products, which contain small, but significant amounts of uranium. However, since it’s “Depleted Uranium” that seems to get everyone up in arms, this list is limited to items which contain depleted uranium which was intentionally added to the product.

Non-Military Items Which Contain Depleted Uranium:

Ceramics:

Most well known is “Fiestaware” which used uranium-based (depleted after the 1940′s) pigments in the orange/red glaze on the popular dinnerware until the line ended production in 1973. However, depleted uranium pigments were common in many ceramic glazes and are still occasionally used in ceramics, although other, synthetic glazes are now more common. It is estimated there are up to two million uranium-glazed plates, cups and bowls still in the cupboards of Americans. There is no need for concern, as the possible leaching of uranium into foods is insignificant. More info…

Green-Colored Glass:
Uranium compounds have been used in colored glass since at least the 1830′s and continue to be used to produce a fluorescent green color which cannot be achieved by other means. It is commonly known as “Vaseline glass” and was extremely popular in the 1920′s and 1930′s. It can be found in vases, lamp bases and other decorative items. It also is common in marbles, which continues to be a popular application of the glass. Since 1959 production of vaseline glass has used depleted uranium. Antique uranium glass is prized by collectors, but the product continues to be manufactured by a few companies. Uranium glass is commonly used for decorative purposes, stained glass sculptures and neon light tubes. The bright green color and florescent qualities make this glass especially unique. You may have a few uranium marbles in your old toybox and not even realize it. More info

Semiconductors Components:
Uranium dioxide is a semiconductor which has a “band gap” between silicon and germanium. Although it is not as common as other materials in electronic components, it is not unusual to find depleted uranium oxide used in specialty diodes, transistors and other components. It is less commonly used in integrated circuits and is not generally used in memory chips, because the mild radioactivity of the material can contribute to errors and data corruption. It has been investigated as a possible component of new high effeciency solar cells. High concentrations of depleted uranium may be found in some zener diodes, high power transistors and solid state voltage regulators.

Dentures:
Since the 1940′s, uranium and later depleted uranium was used in producing the glazes and pigments for porcelain dentures. The actual amount added is relatively small and is only one component of the coloring of the dentures. Uranium was chosen because it has a subtle fluorescent quality and aids in creating a natural looking “glow” and color to the false teeth. Thousands of such dentures were made in the United States and elsewhere during the 20th century. Most manufacturers discontinued the use of depleted uranium in glazes, in favor of cheaper standardized compounds in the mid to late 1980s. There may be some who still use depleted uranium compounds and there are likely still depleted-uranium containing dentures being worn. Although the amount contained is relatively small it is certainly larger than one might expect come in contact with while living in an area where depleted uranium munitions had been used in the past. More info…

Radiation Shielding:
In addition to being slightly radioactive, depleted uranium is an excellent radiation shielding material, due primary to it’s high density. For this reason it may be found in radioactive waste and source storages casks, such as those which may be used in research or medical applications. The application where citizens are most likely to encounter depleted uranium is in shielding for x-ray equipment. Most x-ray equipment found in dentists and other low-power x-ray sources are likely to use lead or tungsten for shielding, but for CT scans and other high power x-ray or specialty imaging applications, depleted uranium is a common material used for shielding. It may also be found in the mechanism used to focus narrow beams of x-rays for high resolution imaging. Reportedly, some airport and security x-ray machines contain depleted uranium both to focus the x-ray beam and provide general purpose shielding.

Photography:
In the early 1800′s, uranium nitrate was a commonly used chemical for producing photographs. The chemical is photosensative and can be used in creating both negative plates and the final prints of photographs. It was a very common ingredient in many photographic emulsions for much of the 1800′s. Photographs which rely primary on uranium nitrate or other uranium salts are commonly known as “Uranotype.” Although silver compounds largely began to replace uranium for photographic use by the 1880′s, the use of uranyl nitrate in photographic chemicals continued due to it’s ability to enhance contrast and provide a rich red or brown color to the print. Today, uranotype photographs are still made as collectibles and to recreate the look and feel of old photographs. The material used in modern uranotypes is made from depleted uranium. Natural uranium would have been the basis for uranium nitrate prior to World War II. More info…

Laboratory Uses:
Depleted uranium can be found in a number of chemicals which are commonly used in chemistry, biology and analytical laboratories. Uranyl acetate is the most common “staining” chemical used for imaging of organic structures with an electron microscope. It is also used as an indicator in some analytical tests. Uranyl nitrate and uranium oxide are also common in both biological and chemistry laboratories where they may be used as a catalyst for decomposing organic compounds or as a means of binding sulfur or other materials from hydrocarbons. It is also used to destroy volitile organic compounds and in the process of partial oxidation of chemicals. If you ever took a chemistry class, it’s likely there were a few uranium-based chemicals in the back cabinet. Modern uranium chemicals are all made with depleted uranium.

Counterweights:
Due to it’s high density, depleted uranium has been used for counterweights, especially in the aerospace industry. Adding small amounts of depleted uranium to parts of an aircraft can help keep it properly balanced. It has been used in a variety of military and civilian aviation applications, including many airliners. In recent years, depleted uranium counterweights have become less common in new aircraft in favor of tungsten, which is easier to machine, less prone to corrosion and often less expensive. However, depleted uranium does continue to be used on some occasions and thousands of passenger and military aircraft remain flying with depleted uranium counterweights on board.

Future uses: Uranium (generally depleted) has been researched as a possible material for use in rechargeable batteries, as a catalyst in destroying certain chemical waste, as a component of solar panels and as chemical in various hydrogen-production methods. Rechargeable batteries are probably the most likely candidate for depleted uranium in a consumer product in the immediate future. When combined with other chemicals, uranium oxides can produce batteries with a high energy density and a relatively long lifespan.

Buy Depleted Uranium: Yes, you can buy it. It’s not illegal to own a relatively small amount of DU (under several kilos). At least it’s not in the United States where it’s considered an “insignificant source”in most circumstances. Radioactive substances are often measured in “Curies” which denotes the activity of a quantity of material. Radium 226 is about one gram per curie. Strontium-90 is a several milligrams as is cesium-137. Uranium-238 is close to three tons per curie.

DU metal can be acquired from:

United Nuclear in small quantities
As a larger “slab” from Eberline Services (note: it’s rather expensive because it’s intended as a calibration and check standard)
Occasionally on ebay a good sized sample shows up

Compounds:

Uranyl Acetate from the Lab Depot (expensive because it’s analytical grade)
Uranyl Acetate from Gallad Chemical
Uranyl Acetate from Spi-Chem (cheaper)
Uranyl Nitrate from Spi-Chem
Uranium Oxides from Reade

And of course, uranium-containing photographs, ceramics, glassware and other items are avaliable from eBay, collectibles and antiques shops, flea markets and elsewhere.


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  1. 151
    DV82XL Says:

            Desrtstormvet said:

    Which government funded organization do you work for?

    I’m not even an American, let alone an employee of its government, but I do know a great deal about how burden of proof works and I have yet to see anything on the subject at hand that even comes close to meeting it. What I do see is that every time someone making the claim that DU exposure is causing health issues be it in the veterans of countries that have served in various theaters since the Kosovo conflict (where the subject first came up in the aftermath) or civilian populations is a great deal of supposition, misinformation and pseudoscience. Inevitably when the logical and scientific flaws in these arguments are pointed out, assertions that there is a government conspiracy to suppress the truth and accusations that we are paid agents always get thrown about. Paranoid statements of this nature do nothing to advance your position and in fact undermine your credibility.


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    Shafe Says:

            Desrtstormvet said:

    I might be wrong but it doesn’t make sense why you are so passionate about espousing the safety of du and how in this one particular case we should ignore the thousands of lies and trust the government funded science.

    This particular blog is frequented by many readers/commenters who believe strongly in the use of nuclear power to provide the world’s electricity in a safe and sustainable manner. From this stance, we see many examples of anti-nuclear activists using bad science and scare tactics to make anything remotely related to nuclear power and radiation seem outright demonic. This is what has happened with depleted uranium. The DU issue is a tool used by activists to attribute more evil to the nuclear industry.

    When we see activists manipulating cancer patients, babies with birth defects, and traumatized service men and women to further their anti-nuclear agenda by erroneously blaming DU, we speak up about it. It’s reasonable to be passionate about that. Not only do those activists work against all of humanity by trying to suppress nuclear power, but they work against those people they’ve manipulated by diverting attention away from the real causes of their problems.

    On a side note, what unit did you serve with?


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  3. 153
    Desrtstormvet Says:

    You can say it straps away my credibility I’m ok with that. You see I’m not on this blog to change your mind and it is not you i am really trying to reach. The public i would hope would see what is going on and realize we vets are facing a battle we can never win. The Dod was debating sending a memo that we wear our mask around spent du but decided it was too much trouble. Since we have no right to legal recourse and can’t sue why care. Years later they made a video about working around du it said bdar, which stands for battlefield assessment and repair persons should wear full protection including gas masks and decontamination should be done after exposure to this “harmless” metal. Speak of my credibility all you want, I’m a very public figure and my credibility is quite safe Reguardless of what you in your biased opinion think. I’m open to other causes and agreeit could have been a host of other things.

    So iI think this will be the third or fourth time I ask. What about researchers fired for not following the government lie. And why have no sky tests been done on rats

    I should say sky tests aren’t the only du related study, there are many others. I just want to keep it simple so the public Whe read this understand your bias and unwillingness to even remotely consider du as a cause. Even from a heavy metal perspective it seems your unwilling to waver.

    So did i hear correctly, you are willing to burn some with it in your vicinity. Let me know where I can buy some and I’ll take the du challenge with you.

    Btw you haven’t updated the fact du can’t be bought anymore. You make it sound like it’s as easy as ordering pizza but all your links are wrong and I can’t find it anywhere without the proper paperwork, i would see that as disingenuous but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and hope you’ll correct that


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  4. 154
    Desrtstormvet Says:

    Us isn’t the only country using du, care to admit who you work for? Or at least the field your in? It was almost an insult to me your statement like black helicopters are flying over my house. You need to understand your not the first person who’s blog I’ve replied on and many it turns out work for the government, or general Electric, general dynamics, fmc… They come off as concerned. Citizens only to be exposed as another government hack. I’ve been polite and open to suggestions but you haven’t given me anything new


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  5. 155
    Desrtstormvet Says:

    24th. Infantry I was with 2nd. Brigade and scouts, they sent me back and fourth depending where I was needed. My youtube name is Gooneybird999 there you can see news reports of reporters going to my wife’s house unannounced telling her I was in a tank battle with the Republican guard


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  6. 156
    Desrtstormvet Says:

    I was there and saw things no human should see. Like I said Google battle of rumalia and highway of death. James Hutto one of my best friends is who got his legs sucked out from under him. Me and 2 other guys pulled him out of the Burning tank and yes I inhaled lots of smoke while trying to save him. Apache and medical wouldn’t come in to help cause they were to scared. He looked at me smiled gave a thumbs up and died. Another lie from the government was that he was killed by the enemy. He was shot by 2nd platoon who was offering us support, mostly all they did was gun down and bury alive surrendering enemy combatants


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  7. 157
    Desrtstormvet Says:

    You should give me lots of credit for treating you so civilly most in my unit would have been much lees generous


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  8. 158
    Shafe Says:

    Was that part of the initial incursion into Iraq after securing Kuwait?


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  9. 159
    Desrtstormvet Says:

    You can also see the news stories there of me on hard copy, leeza gibbons, AP network news and if you really want I’ll send you the story done that appeared on main story on the front page of the loan Angeles times, plus the book a legacy of war and also America’s shame.

    Call Betty mekdici of association of both defect children, approach her with an open mind as I hope you think I’ve done with you. She has every study done on du both for and against. You want to really impress and show your not unjustifiable biased put a link to her on your blog. Or some of the studies stating the contrary after all science is about peer review and to ignore studies that don’t agree is in my opinion truly junk science


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    DV82XL Says:

            Desrtstormvet said:

    nnUs isn’t the only country using du, care to admit who you work for? Or at least the field your in?

    If you click on my screen name it will take you to my profile. I have nothing to hide.

            Desrtstormvet said:

    I’ve been polite and open to suggestions but you haven’t given me anything new

    On the contrary you have been close-minded and accusative.


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  11. 161
    Shafe Says:

            Shafe said:

    Was that part of the initial incursion into Iraq after securing Kuwait?

    On second thought, looking back, unlike OIF, they pulled you guys back almost as soon as you entered, so pretty much the whole thing WAS the initial incursion. My question, then, doesn’t make much sense.


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    Desrtstormvet Says:

    Actually we were travelling about a day and a half into Iraq before the ground war even started. The Republican guard were retreating when they ran into us 2 days after the ground war ended and cease fire had been declared. The most bloody battle and greatest violation of the Geneva convention in American history happened in rumalia


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    Desrtstormvet Says:

    Google rumalia, it is an edited version but will tell you we weren’t pulled back. News flash and the point I’ve been trying to make all along the government lies. If you don’t think I’ve been open minded try being in my shoes brother, have I called you names besides Remf. I’ve only questioned your motives and why this is such a passion. Dude your site is called depleted Cranium which I take to refer to us vets who are sick looking for answers only to find layer after layer of lies. I dont consider it an insult to question your motives. Mine are clear I think and I make them known


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    Desrtstormvet Says:

    We’re told it’s not the du it’s the pills, no wait trace amounts of nerve gas, no botulism shots, no anthrax shots, no plague shots, no insecticides, no tungsten, no oil well fires. That’s operation bronze anvil, untill they can find the right combination that made us sick we are on our own.

    Sooooo researchers fired, sky test on rats. You really don’t want to answer those do you


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    Desrtstormvet Says:

    You care to explain what a sky test is? I can do it later. Either way I’m sure we both will but I really need to work. Thought I’d give you first dibs. Btw enjoy the dialogue sorry if my questions and statements upset you at times. Not my desire to insult but when you defend the government and war machine with their history you going to come under great pressure. Watch some of the debatesiI’ve been in on the news they are not nearly as civil with me as I’ve been with you. I prefer to approach this from a scientific perspective but admit sometimes I fail. For example it doesn’t prove anything here but may give you an idea of my perspective. My son is 18 and asked how many surgeries he’s had his mom and I couldn’t count them, so our answer was we don’t know. Trust me brother with the emotions I have I’m being the saint of civility with you


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    Shafe Says:

    Sorry for the parallel conversations.

    I can only find reference to one US injured and no US killed at Ramalia. That’s from the 18th Airborne’s historian. Are the casualties you mention from another engagement?

    I can see why there is controversy from Ramalia, annihilating a retreating column after the ceasefire, and why US vets would have trouble with it.


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    Shafe Says:

            Desrtstormvet said:

    Sooooo researchers fired, sky test on rats. You really don’t want to answer those do you

    What’s the name of the VA researcher who was fired?


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    Desrtstormvet Says:

    Oi18th was not around as far as I know, gave you my buddies name, point is history doesn’t match what happened always. Gorenment needs to keep the war machine going so we are all ra. Ra. For war. My records were lost and i cant even get medical. Care from VA now. Sounds unbelievable but is true. I can go in for basic services but my memory loss seizures, headaches rashes are all considered non compensatory. Since I have no medical records. They can’t even identify where I was.

    So I Noticed you a metallurgy consultant with interest in nuclear materials. You don’t mention where you work though or if you have any government contracts. Sorry to bring it up but this is where things usually lead wit her advocates against veterans causes of illnesses .

    4th time now, researchers fired, sky tests ln Rats? I’m not letting this go


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    Desrtstormvet Says:

    Btw producer of the movie highlander wanted to to a miniseries on my story but government won’t loan tanks and planes that portray them in a positive light. I suspect your trying to discredit my by my military record, sorry won’t work. Good try though no one gone there before. You want a copy ofmy large stack of awards


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    Shafe Says:

            Desrtstormvet said:

    I suspect your trying to discredit my by my military record, sorry won’t work. Good try though no one gone there before. You want a copy ofmy large stack of awards

    If that’s directed at me, then I’m sorry if I made you feel that way. You brought up your service. Usually, when a vet mentions that they served, that’s how I engage them, by asking them about their unit. A friend suggested that as a conversation tool years ago when I wasn’t sure how to talk to some WWII vets about their service. I didn’t mean to make you defensive. I’m genuinely interested.

    I don’t know how much the 18th participated in Desert Storm, but their historian compiled a chronology containing engagements and casualties. That’s what I was reading: http://www.history.army.mil/CHRONOS/intro.htm

    And, so you know, you’re talking to three different people here: me, DV82XL, and DrBuzz0. I’m having trouble following who you’re addressing in any given paragraph.


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    Desrtstormvet Says:

    We drove past surrendering troops throwing out mres and water without stopping. 82nd was responsible, so for pows they were far behind us. Marines, seals all special forces had a vacation compared to what we experienced. My unit has had the highest suicide rate. Is it the trauma of war or coming back to a country that doesn’t care. And would rather we die and apologize when we’re all dead. That’s standard procedure


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    Shafe Says:

            Desrtstormvet said:

    gave you my buddies name,

    4th time now, researchers fired, sky tests ln Rats? I’m not letting this go

    The name I was hoping you’d produce is the VA researcher who allegedly got fired for his DU research.


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    Desrtstormvet Says:

    Yard more than welcome to search my history and where I was. If you think you can be more successful than my senator, lawyers and VA I’d be willing to give you my personal info. Got to tell me what you’d do different though


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    Shafe Says:

            Desrtstormvet said:

    Is it the trauma of war or coming back to a country that doesn’t care. And would rather we die and apologize when we’re all dead. That’s standard procedure

    Holy sh!t. That’s not standard procedure where I’m from. I don’t know where you live, but consider moving to somewhere in America’s heartland. I know I’m in Houston, and the last ill word I’ve heard about a vet was while watching First Blood when John Rambo was traveling through that mountain town.


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    Shafe Says:

            Desrtstormvet said:

    Yard more than welcome to search my history and where I was. If you think you can be more successful than my senator, lawyers and VA I’d be willing to give you my personal info. Got to tell me what you’d do different though

    I can’t say that I’m up to that challenge. I hope you find the answers you need.

    If you come up with the names of any DU researchers that were fired, go ahead and post them here. I’m hanging it up for now.


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    DV82XL Says:

    So I Noticed you a metallurgy consultant with interest in nuclear materials. You don’t mention where you work though or if you have any government contracts. Sorry to bring it up but this is where things usually lead wit her advocates against veterans causes of illnesses .

    I’m fully retired now and I worked for a couple of Canadian airlines, and in between, aerospace fabs, (component makers) which were subcontractors to Canadair, de Havilland Canada and Bombardier. If any of the firms I was at was involved with defense it was certainly at arm’s length, because I never had to get a security clearance at any point.

            Desrtstormvet said:

    4th time now, researchers fired, sky tests ln Rats? I’m not letting this go

    For just as many times, provide references otherwise it’s just your word, and that isn’t good enough. And what the Hell are “sky tests”?


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    Desrtstormvet Says:

    Dr durakovic, of course he wasn’t cut directly for hi research on du I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that he and every other researcher lost their job to other reasons. You want a full list I can get one. I got this in 3 minutes on Google. The point is if someone finds any link of any kind their gone. Been that way for 20 years. I’m sure you’ll isolate his story in a vacuum and say it was budget cuts. But if the military was going to leave no stone unturned why can these guys?

    Didn’t know I was taking on 3 people would think you’d all do better against little old me.

    Any of you got info on any further. Sky test?

    Oh and any of you know where I can get du


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    Desrtstormvet Says:

    So where you all work, all I know. Is it appears one is a consultant with an interest in radioactive materials. Sounds fishy


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    drbuzz0 Says:

    For the record, as the author, I have no real interest in this other than the fact that I am a skeptic and opposed to “bad science” and fear-mongering. I’m a science enthusiast and a I have an interest, though no financial connection to nuclear energy and ionizing radiation.

    I work part time for a company that provides services to disabled people. I work as a network admin, database admin and I do some website work as well. In addition to this I do freelance work installing computer networks and setting up website systems, databases etc.

    If you look through this site you’ll see I also take similar issue with things like claims of cell phone health dangers, perpetual motion machine scams, medical quackery and that sort of thing.

    One other thing:

    This can very easily descend into ad-hom attacks, so let me just remind everyone of something. Much as Desrtstormvet’s conclusions and belief that depleted uranium plays a role in illness, we should take care when arguing.

    I have no doubt Desrtstormvet served honorably and made great sacrifice for the good of the US and the free world. I am sure that he also was witness to and part of things which those of us who have not served can only imagine. As a veteran he is entitled to respect and appreciation. Furthermore, he has indicated that he and his children had suffered chronic health problems, which, if nothing else, is tragic.

    Let’s please avoid any kind of personal attacks for this reason, if none other. I completely understand the need to find something to point to in order to figure out why someone is ill.


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    Desrtstormvet Says:

    Thanks Dr buzz I appreciate your words, I haven’t taken offense at hints said though. I’ve been in discussions where people try to go down that path and i see it as an attempt to distract. I have not felt that way here. I usually enjoy it cause it means someone is grasping at straws. I only wanted to know where you all worked cause often I find I’m talking to Dod researchers in disguise

    In regards to sky tests here a portion of a website can get the url if you want.

    The blood will be tested to show if damage had been done to their chromosomes. They will be using what they call a SKY test. They flew Dr. ASAF Durakovik into Detroit to take part on this research testing, he is now the Director or Research for the Uranium Medical Research Center.
    Dr. Durakovic said these test finding will either prove or disprove the GWS conspiracy, however still to this day the Military Medical Doctors will say its a media illness. The sarin has been shown and proven to cause brain defects however it did not explain the GWS.
    It had been noted the five Vet’s that’s been tested was not near the sarin. In the lab they have arranged an advanced DNA test to see if radiation from the depleted uranium weapons could be another or prime reason for Gulf War Illness. The Sky test will look for damage to their chromosomes by painting each of the chromosomes using a unique color. Florissant markers give each separate chromosome a unique spectral signature in a way never possible before and will determine if the chromosomes is broken, mixed up or missing. In the normal aging process there is a small amount of chromosome damage but certain characteristics of a damaged chromosome can tell if its from radiation. Each chromosome has a different mix of DNA patterns and therefore absorbs a unique combination of dyes to become a specific color. The SKY’s machine built in computer can quickly identify which is which. Chromosomes on the screen get marked and the SKY’s software crates a table for easy comparison.
     The Results
     A normal set of human chromosomes has 22 matched pairs plus the 2 sex chromosomes xx for female and xy for male. The chromosomes of these five soldiers showed lots of breakage, meaning the chromosome was split into 2 separate ones, this frequently is associated with radiation. The Sky test were startling, all five of the Veterans had significant damage to their chromosomes, the levels were even higher than cancer patients. The tests also shown and PROVEN translocations, which means a part of one chromosome broke off and Trans located to a different chromosome. It also showed that there was gains and losses in chromosomes, which is common in cancer patients and is also the cause for birth defects such as down syndrome. Finding chromosome damage associated radiation in non cancer patients is highly unusual.
    The type of chromosome damage as seen in these five veterans crates genetic kayos in the effected cells, from such disorder any number of problems can arise. The test results are just as Dr. Durakovik predicted and not only did the test prove their damage was severe, it was proven alfa radiation was the cause. I’d also like to mention these vets chromosomes damage were 10 times higher than the normal populations and even more damaging than those being treated for cancer.
    So what does this mean for vets who have gulf War Illness ? Dr. Durakovic said even though this answers many questions, it now poses even more questions.
    These Veterans have significant health problems and sadly that will never change, there is no direct way to fix damaged chromosomes. They can be treated for the symptoms as they occur and Dr. Durakovic
    said he can reassure them that it won’t kill them, but to eliminate the damage from the body completely is impossible. Damaged chromosomes are an indicator of a unstable system.
    So What Does This Mean ???
     So what did the results mean to the on going debate about GWS ? Once again, Dr. Michael Kilpatrick U.S. Dept. of Defense says,.. There wasn’t anything uniquely specific about the groups of symptoms that the Gulf War veterans had to those who didn’t deploy, so we couldn’t distinguish them based on symptoms its just they were almost twice as likely to have symptoms as those who did not deploy. He continued to say, ” Medically a syndrome is a set of symptoms that are the same in all the people it progresses the same over time in the people and has the same result, but we weren’t seeing that in our Gulf War Veterans”.
     Final Thought,..
    I believe the radiation levels definitely had something to do with the Gulf War Illness,.. however through more research, I have come to believe the Anthrax vaccine and experimental pills also had much to do with it.


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    DV82XL Says:

    Asaf Duraković has a long history of bouncing from job to job always under a cloud and never his fault. He is currently listed as director of something called the Uranium Medical Research Center which turns out to be a fake medical research clinic. The address of the center is shared by dance and acting companies in the Cabbagetown district in Toronto, Ontario, not exactly what one would expect in a medical research building. He got into hot water up here making unsubstantiated claims about locals being poisoned by uranium in Port Hope near the nuclear fuel, processing plant. Insinuating in the media that the government was suppressing the results of testing done in the area, he was apparently unaware that anybody could call them up on the City of Port Hope’s Web site. I think the Toronto is shut, or at least closed a lot as I have tried to call them on several occasions and no one answers.

    It is becoming apparent that you will not entertain any ideas that do not agree with your preconceived notions in this matter. As well you continue to make thinly-veiled insinuations that I am a paid agent of forces aligned against you. Consequently there seems little point in continuing; from my perspective you are not worth the effort and I don’t care to be insulted in a situation where I have been asked not to respond.


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    Desrtstormvet Says:

    Hey if he is a quack I can accept that, you’ll notice at the bottom of the report I gives other possible causes. I dont Se how asking you where you work and being skeptical is insulting to you. Didn’t know I wasn’t supposed to ask. I’m very open to other ideas. A cumulative effect I think is the cause, exposures to everything whittled away at our health. You wish to bow out I’ll respect that but being skeptical is part of science including the sources. I questioned your motives now I’ll check out the doctor. Being put under scrutiny for disagreeing with some one is not uncommon. Believe me I know. I’ve had people more rude and insulting than you’d imagine.

    My main point is something made us sick and whenever I talk to someone who disagrees they usually want to blame something else.

    He’s not the only one to get fired there’s a long list.

    So why doesn’t the government do their own sky tests on rats to disprove him? If he is a quack (if what you say is true I would agree) then it would be the quickest way to make it go away.


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    Desrtstormvet Says:

    Any thoughts from you dr buzz? Seems I’ve exhausted your cohort. Seems your third guy is awful silent. I agree with much on your site about junk science but in my opinion you leave out one critical factor, lobbiest they throw money around to try to get things their way and pay for studies. To say there is no bias is unrealistic in my humble opinion


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    drbuzz0 Says:

            Desrtstormvet said:

    Any thoughts from you dr buzz? Seems I’ve exhausted your cohort. Seems your third guy is awful silent. I agree with much on your site about junk science but in my opinion you leave out one critical factor, lobbiest they throw money around to try to get things their way and pay for studies. To say there is no bias is unrealistic in my humble opinion

    I’m actually in the process of doing some additional research on the subject in the hopes that I can provide some more meaningful input and better cited sources. It might take a couple of days.


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    Desrtstormvet Says:

    Thanks doc, I’m willing to listen to both sides and consider the options, can be hard though with how many lies I’ve been told. Haven’t gone into detail on your blog as it is off topic and i apologize I’m guilty. Already of doing that alot. Two things I find useful I du isn’t what actually. Was leaking from the factories and the on doctor involved. I sky tests seems to have no credibility. My main frustration is when people advocate the use of things and im not just referring to du but all the non fda approved experimental drugs we were given. They say we want to give the troops every advantage. We can and then we pay the price later. I was nieve at the time thinking the government would never treat us like other vets and if they did there would be such a public outcry that they’d never get away with it. Sometimes when I see a $2 magnetic sticker supporting the troops I ask the person what they do to support. Them and usually get a look like I’m a alien. Guess you can imagine where I want to put that sticker.


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    bone_naga Says:

    Desrtstormvet,

    I skimmed through your conversation. I’m in the Army and among other things am trained to respond to an incident where DU was involved. You are correct that we are told to wear masks, but that does not apply to people handling DU rounds before they are fired.

    When the round is intact, there is no hazard. There are no fine particles to inhale, DU doesn’t give off any remotely significant levels of radiation, and it doesn’t get absorbed through your skin.

    After DU round strikes a target or DU armor is hit, it is a different story. There is a shearing action that occurs on the metal and can throw DU dust into the air. Inhaling a significant quantity of that dust could be a bad thing (there are lots of materials that are perfectly harmless right up until you put them inside your body due to its toxicity). However, DU is so easy to handle that it makes for a really simple cleanup. A can of spraypaint will lock down those fine particles, and from there it is perfectly safe to handle again.

    As a note, uranium exists naturally and can be found all over the world. Even uranium ore or yellow cake uranium doesn’t present a significant radiation hazard and you can actually have limited quantities at home. Like DU, however, it is still toxic and you don’t want to eat it or otherwise put it inside your body. Not much different from most household cleaning chemicals in that regard. Depleted uranium is even less radioactive than natural uranium and again you can own it at home.

    Just trying to help put things in perspective.


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    desrtstormvet Says:

    Thanks for the comment, I am not arguing about its solid form. I was around tanks destroyed by it and never told to wear the mask I carried at all times. We vets just get tired of all of you making decisions, debate and do studies while we keep getting sicker with no assistance. I’ve been working on my own claim for over 15 years. The government sent me a letter saying my son was most likely sick from all the exposures I had. The letter might as well have said “go to hell”. you all debate while we dodge bullets and die. Oh and your $2 sticker that says you support the troops while you don’t give time and effort might as well say “go to hell” also. I wasn’t pissed off like this, anxious and depressed from war, it’s from the inaction of a government and populace who don’t care about us. a site called depleted cranium insinuates we are stupid, personally I think I’ve held my own pretty good on this site and shown that not to be the case. how about at least one link to a group that supports us while you insult us.


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    james Says:

    I have a 93 g piece of Uranium 238 that I bought from United Nuclear, that I am looking to sell if anyone is interested.


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    Desrtstormvet Says:

    Yes I’m interested, make sure the purchase is legal because I don’t want homeland security showing up at your door. Give me some contact info. I think the best way is to go to my youtube page it’s Gooneybird999. If you can’t find it that way do a search on youtgube for “did the gulf war cause birth defects hardcopy” from there you can contact me without making yourself publicity l


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