Cancer is NOT a deficiency of “B-17″
April 22nd, 2008
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We have discussed what cancer is here before. It’s not a single condition, but a number of conditions characterized by uncontrolled reproduction of cells and a tendency to spread throughout the body. A claim was made a long long time ago that cancer was a “deficiency” in the same manner that scurvy is a deficiency of vitamin C and nutritional anemia is a deficiency of iron. This is, of course, not based on reality at all, but it sounds appealing because a deficiency is easily remedied by the administering of the nutrient which is lacking. (thus the opportunity to sell something.)
The claim is that it is a lack of “vitamin B-17″ and that viamine B-17 is both the cure for cancer and the way to prevent it. In a common thread, it’s also stated that cancer never existed before “modern” times when “the processed food we eat” stopped delivering this vitamin. There actually is no such thing as vitamin B-17, and a number of substances have been claimed to be vitamin B-17. The most common is amygdalin. Amygdalin is a substance which occurs in certain seeds and nuts in very small quantities and which can be concentrated from almond extracts. It’s been reputed as a cure for cancer for years and has been tested more than a few times. Despite being hocked by quacks in backwaters of the world, modern medicine has found the evidence pretty conclusive: it doesn’t help at all against cancer and apparently has no beneficial effect on any disease.
It may even be harmful, because, due to the sources it is derived from, it can also contain greater than trace quantities of cyanide. The greatest champion of the stuff as a magic cure-all for cancer and everything else that ales you was Dean Burk. He was a chemist for the National Cancer Institute – before he was apparently fired. He died in 1988 of cancer (so much for the magic cure). Others who championed this stuff include conspiracy theorists and Jason Vale, a one time arm wrestling champion who sold the stuff as a cancer cure until 2004 when he was convicted of fraud and sent to prison. Now he’s back and selling franchises for a juice bar chain called “The Juice Master” – which supposedly will cure everything and bring you better health by making your own juice from fruits and vegetables. He also gives talks and sells books – not surprising.
What never ceases to amaze me is the staying power these scams have. For one thing, there is no shortage of people who seem to pop up and claim Jason Vale was targeted by the “Cancer Mafia” of drug companies or that he was “railroaded” into prison. There ramain several sites dedicated to “vitamin B-17″ including vitamineB17.org. That website seems to be associated with known wacko G. Edward Griffin, who has also written about conspiracies behind the federal reserve and quests to discover Noah’s Arc.
The claims of this substance being a miracle cure for diseases goes way back to the 1800’s but the current claim that it cures cancer seems to have first been widely distributed in the 1950’s. By the 1960’s it was debunked through and through, and yet it never quite went away. Sites still come out and state it’s a “cure for cancer.”
To see just how old this scam is, you can check out this video on Youtube. As you can probably tell, it’s not exactly a modern presentation and has the look of decades old yellowing film – which is what it is.
What really gets to me, though, is that despite the fact that this is older than dirt and that there is plenty of information debunking this idea, which as much as simple Google or Wikipedia search, people still eat this crap up hook line and sinker. Just look at the following video:
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April 22nd, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Fernando, did you know they took the word “Gullible” out of the dictionary? seriously go check it out!
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April 22nd, 2008 at 10:13 pm
I’m not sure you are right here. As I would guess that an excess of B17 (or at least B17’s) would tend to make your chances of dying from cancer much much lower.
Look at Germany during WW2. Lots of B17 there, and I bet cancer was pretty low on the causes of death among the population.
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April 22nd, 2008 at 10:16 pm
“Cancer is not old it was never in the times of the Bible.”
Actually it probably was, just not directly mentioned. That something is not mentioned does not mean it doesn’t exist.
Also, IIRC, cancer has been known about for a long time, it is only recently we’ve been able to do much about it.
And as someone else noted, when the average life expectancy is 25, cancer is going to be a pretty uncommon cause of death. You need to live a while to give cancer a chance.
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April 22nd, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Jason Rennie said:
An interesting aside: My great-grandfather died of lung cancer – or at least we are pretty certain that was what he died of. It was in the early 1930’s and he never got any treatment for it.
My grandmother always said he died of “dropsy” which is an old term which apparently means retention of fluid: http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=13311
It was said that he had been suffering from “consumption” before that. Consumption is technically supposed to mean Tuberculosis. But he was never diagnosed with this. Apparently the term was at one time used for nearly any severe disease of the lungs or respiratory system – although that’s not really correct.
My great aunt and uncle and grandmother all agreed he died of lung cancer and that’s what the doctor later said but “Nobody called it that when he was alive” apparently.
It was a different age.
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April 22nd, 2008 at 10:52 pm
My great grandfather died of “old age” according to my relatives. I had a great grandmother who died of “a knot in the gut” or something like that. It made no sense though because she did not die of any kind of blockage or I don’t believe so. I think she may have died of infectious disease. I don’t know the whole story.
I’ve also heard of people dying of “a broken heart” or being sick with “the grip” or “bad blood” or some other term which means nothing to me. Doubtless there have always been undiagnosed cancers in some.
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April 24th, 2008 at 6:44 am
It’s amazing to me how these ideas for a scam can be debunked, disproven and thrown aside for decades and yet they never really seem to go away. They can come back and take the new generation. There’s a sucker born every minute!
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September 11th, 2009 at 1:21 am
Funny that lots of people are keen to shoot down the B17 theory on the basis that those that promote it ‘have something to sell’. HOW ABOUT THE CANCER INDUSTRY, I mean medical industry?? How much revenue do you think chemotherapy, radiotherapy and associated ‘conventional’ treatments generate? The world cannot afford to NOT have people getting cancer.
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September 11th, 2009 at 1:37 am
Kylie said:
Well, first of all, Vitamine B-17 does not exist. But as far as revenue: cancer is not the cash cow it is made out to be. Sure some of the chemo drugs are expensive, but they are expensive to develop and produce, they are for a relatively small market and those who have cancer don’t always last very long taking the drugs. The pharmaceutical industry does not like diseases like cancer where a they can only sell you drugs for a year or so and then you either recover or die. Also, hospitals make more money on things that are in-and-out. Having people taking up bed space for long term treatment is not good for the bottom line. (not to mention insurance losses)
You know where they make the big money? Drugs that are relatively easy to manufacture, have a very large market and are used steadily and reliably for years on end. The pharmaceutical industry likes it when someone gets a prescription for something every month for decades. Even better if it’s more than one.
The most profitable drugs (by far) are statins, anti-depressants, blood pressure medications, allergy medications, acid blockers and things like that. They have an enormous market, they’re cheap to make, they are used continuously.
If the medical industry had it their way we would all live to be very very old, very diabetic, very bald, very hypertensive, very high in cholesterol, very impotent, very allergic and very depressed about it.
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September 11th, 2009 at 1:39 am
Kylie said:
Money means nothing when you’re dead. Therefore, those who are “keeping down” this information and are part of the conspiracy would certainly not deny themselves the treatment, right?
So are you going to tell me that this magical B-17 thing that cures cancer is being hidden from everyone in the world, but surely the big medical execs and their families never get cancer because they know the truth and they’ll use it themselves while denying it to everyone else? Or do they allow themselves to die of cancer to make money? Doesn’t make much sense now does it.
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October 26th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
The use of Amygdalin (Laetrile/Vitamin B17) in the treatment of human cancer dates back at least to 1843, although the ancient Chinese are reported to have used bitter almonds containing significant quantities of it in the treatment of tumors some 3,000 years ago.
NATURAL SOURCE
Laetrile is not a miracle drug . It is simply a concentrated form of Nitriloside. Amygdalin (Laetrile/ Vitamin B17) is particularly prevalent in the seeds of those fruits in the Prunus Rosacea family (bitter almond, apricot, blackthorn, cherry, nectarine, peach and plum.) It is found in natural foods which contain nitriloside and has been used and studied extensively for well over 100 years. It is also contained in grasses, maize, sorghum, millet, cassava, linseed, apple seeds, and many other foods that, generally, have been deleted from the menus of modern civilization. Fruit kernels or seeds generally have other nutrients as well, some protein, unsaturated fatty protein, unsaturated fatty acids, and various minerals. The most common source of B17 is the apricot kernel and is present in about a 2-3 percent levels of concentration within the seed kernel.
So there is no confusion please note; there are 3 names which are interchangeable being Vitamin B17, Laetrile and Amygdalin. Vitamin B17 was the name given to the purified form of Amygdalin by a Bio Chemist named Ernst T Krebs in 1952. He also called it Laetrile which is simply short for Lavo-mandelonitrile and was awarded its vitamin status officially in 1952 after advice from Dr Dean Burke who was the co-founder of the National Cancer Institute. Amygdalin on the other hand is said to have been first discovered and used by a German chemist Leibig as far back as 1830. So, laetrile/Vitamin B17 on the other hand is simply a more soluable and concentrated form of amygdalin which allows it to be administered in a much greater concentration. Either way all 3 are essentially the same thing.
Vitamin B17 / Laetrile is probably one of the most controversial medical topics in the last 30 years. You may remember back in the 50’s – mid 70’s there was a lot hype in the medical world regarding a new natural cancer treatment that was discovered that killed cancer cells. This was the result of Dr Ernst Krebs findings and his research in a book called World Without Cancer. Well after several years of court cases and controversy regarding Laetrile it was finally stamped out by the FDA and reported to the mass media in the US as a fraud and failure. They called it Quackery in those days.
TODAY the hype has and is starting again as a result of THE INTERNET. The internet has allowed us to gain information from all over the world on what perhaps really happened.
So how does B17 kill cancer?…… Here we go….
Firstly we need to understand that our bodies use several enzymes to perform many tasks. Our body has one particular enzyme called Rhodanese which is found in large quantities throughout the body but is not present where ever there are cancer cells. Yet, where ever you find cancer in the body, you find another enzyme called Beta-Glucosidase. So, we have the enzyme Rhodanese found everywhere in the body except at the cancer cells, and we have the enzyme Beta-Glucosidase found in very large quantities only at the cancer cell but not found anywhere else in the body. If there is no cancer in the body there is no enzyme Beta-Glucosidase.
Now the following is what scares most people. You see, Vitamin B17 is made up of 2 parts glucose, 1 part Hydrogen Cyanide and 1 part Benzaldehyde (analgesic/painkiller). So its very important you understand the following:
When B17 is introduced to the body, it is broken down by the enzyme Rhodanese. The Rhodanese breaks the Hydrogen Cyanide and Benzaldehyde down into 2 by-products, Thiocyanate and Benzoic acid which are beneficial in nourishing healthy cells and forms the metabolic pool production for vitamin B12. Any excess of these by-products is expelled in normal fashion from the body via urine. Vitamin B17 passes through your body and does not last longer than 80 minutes inside your body as a result of the Rhodanese breaking it down. (Hydrogen Cyanide has been proven to be chemically inert and non toxic when taken as food or refined pharmaceutical such as laetrile. Sugar has be shown to be 20 times more toxic than B17.
HERE IS THE GOOD PART – When the B17 comes into contact with cancer cells, there is no Rhodanese to break it down and neutrelise it but instead, only the enzyme Beta-Gucosidase is present in very large quantities. When B17 and Beta-Glucosidase come into contact with each other, a chemical reaction occurs and the Hydrogen Cyanide and Benzaldehyde combine synergistically to produce a poison which destroys and kills the cancer cells.
This whole process is known as selective toxicity. Only the cancer cells are specifically targeted and destroyed.
Good & Bad Cyanide?
We all know that cyanide is bad for you, yet here we are jumping up and down saying its good for you because it kills cancer. Lets look at the real story.
Hydrogen Cyanide must be FORMED!! There is no free Hydrogen Cyanide in laetrile floating around freely in our body waiting to harm us when we eat apricot seeds or take laetrile. The enzyme Beta-Glucosidase, and only that enzyme is capable of manufacturing and forming the Hydrogen Cyanide from Laetrile. If there are no cancer cells in the body, there is no beta-glucosidase. If there is no beta-glucosidase, no hydrogen cyanide will be formed from laetrile. Even if there were some other way to manufacture cyanide from laetrile in the body, the amount would be so minute it would have little, if any toxic effect.
Laetrile does on the other hand contain the cyanide radical (CN-). So does Vitamin B12 , Cassava and strawberries and a host of other foods we consume. You never heard of anyone getting cyanide poison from vitamin B12 or from eating strawberries because it just does not happen. Lets also look at table salt which is made up of sodium Chloride (NaCl) and is very common in most households. Yet, did you know pure sodium (Na+) is one of the most toxic substances known to man? Yet in their form locked together they are not toxic. Any good toxicologist will tell you sugar is 20 times more toxic than laetrile and salt is also much more toxic.
Now, here is the irony of all of this. Milligram for milligram, the chemotherapeutic agents which are commonly used in the treatment of cancer today, are hundreds of times more toxic than laetrile.
The best way to prove or disprove the vitamin B17 theory of cancer, would be to take several thousands of people, over a period of many years, expose them to a consistent diet of B17 rich nitriloside foods and then check the results. Fortunately this has already occurred by the study of the following cultures; The Hunza, aboriginal Eskimos, Hopi and Navajo Indians, Abkhazians.
HUNZA
In the remote recesses of the Himalayan Mountains, between West Pakistan, India and China there is a tiny Kingdom called Hunza. These people are known world over for their amazing longevity and health. They live well beyond 100 years and have commonly been known to still father children at the age of 110. One of the first medical teams to study the Hunza was headed by world-renown British surgeon Dr Robert McCarrison. Writing in the AMA Journal Jan 7, 1922 he reported:
“The Hunza has no known incidence of cancer. They have an abundant crop of apricots. These they dry in the sun and use largely in their food”.
It is interesting to note that the traditional Hunza Diet contains over 200 times more nitriloside (B17 Rich food) than the average American or Australian Diet. There is no such thing as money in Hunza. A mans wealth is measured by the number of apricot trees he owns. And the most prized of all foods was considered to be the apricot seed. It is very common for the Hunza to eat between 30 – 50 (ie. about 30mg of B17) apricot seeds as an after lunch snack. The thousands of seeds they do not eat they store or grind them very finely and then squeezed under pressure to produce a very rich oil used in cooking and to apply to the skin. The apricot is staple food in Hunza. They use the apricot, its seed and the oil for practically everything. In addition to the ever present apricot, the hunzahuts eat mainly grain and fresh vegetables. These include buckwheat, millet, alfalfa, peas, broad beans, turnips, lettuce, sprouting pulse and berries of various sorts. All of these with the exception of lettuce and turnips contain vitamin B17.
It is important to know when the Hunza leave their secluded land and adopt the menus of other countries, they soon succumb to the same diseases and infirmities including cancer as the rest of man kind.
ESKIMOS
The Eskimos are another people that have been observed by medical teams for many decades and found to be totally free of cancer. The traditional Eskimo diet is amazingly rich in B17 nitrilosides that come from the residue of of the meat of caribou and other grazing animals, and also from the salmon berry. Another Eskimo delicacy is green salad made out of the stomach contents of caribou and reindeer which are full of fresh tundra grass. Tundra grasses such as Arrow are have shown to be contain the highest content of B17 than other grasses.
Alaska’s most famous doctor Dr Preston A Price claims that, “In his 36 years of contact with these people he had never seen a single case of malignant disease among the truly primitive Eskimos, although it frequently occurred when they were modernized.
An interesting point to note is that when an Eskimo leaves his traditional way of life and begins to rely on a western/modern diet he becomes even more cancer prone than the average American.
HOPI & NAVAJO INDIANS
The Indians of North America are another people who are remarkably free from cancer. The AMA went as far as conducting a special study in an effort to discover why there was little to no cancer amongst the Hopi and Navajo Indians. The February 5, 1949 issue of the journal of the American Medical Association declared that they found 36 cases cases of malignant cancer from a population of 30,000. In the same population of white persons there would have been about 1800. Dr Krebs research later found that the typical diet for the Navajo and Hopi Indian consisted of nitriloside-rich foods such as Cassava. He calculated that some of the tribes would ingest the equivalent of 8000mg of Vitamin B17 per day from their diet !!!
ABKHAZIANS
The Abkhazians are found deep in the Caucasus Mountains on the Northwest side of the Black Sea. They are a people with almost the exact same health record and longevity as the Hunzakuts.Their food and lifestyle having to live in a harsh rugged terrain are almost identical. They follow a diet which is low in carbohydrates, high in vegetable proteins and rich in minerals and vitamins, especially vitamin B17.
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May 16th, 2010 at 7:44 am
A short while after my girlfriend got diagnosed with malignant breast cander (June 2009: MRI, biopsy) we learned about ‘German New Medicine’ (GNM) and decided to put the (strongly) adviced operation/chemo/radiation on hold in order to look into this new theory of disease. One month later we stepped away from ‘conventional medicine’.
While investigating GNM we came across B17 (Amygdalin/Laetrile) and started taking apricot kernels and Amygdaline capsules. That is, my girlfriend took between 25 and 40 kernels per day, plus 2 x 500mg Amygdaline. We combined this with zinc, magnesium, vitamine D3, spirulina, chlorella, etc.
By the way, what made us go along with GNM was the fact that about 6 months prior to my girlfriend getting diagnosed with breast cancer, she had a major conflict at work (with a new boss) and I remembered this as soon as I saw a video about GNM on the internet – the day before the planned operation (mastectomy)!
to make a long story short, we are now almost 1 year further and she’s feeling (and looking) better than ever.
My guess is that natural stuff like apricot kernels (and lots of other natural ingredients), can destroy cancer cells. But if the ‘biological process’that triggers cells to start multiplying – or to start behaving ‘weird’ in any other way – is not stopped, you remain ’sick’. An then nutritional therapy is only fighting off symptoms, just like conventional medicine is doing, be it in a lot less harmfull way.
Best wishes to you all,
Ronald
Ronald
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May 16th, 2010 at 8:01 am
PS. The GNM theory might also explain why dokter Dean Burk died of cancer (at age 84)… He must have felt pretty frustrated at the time.
I’ve read about everything there is to read about B17 and it’s clear that there was (and is) a big cover up involved.
Regarding the alleged toxicity of apricot kernels: my girlfriend still takes about 12-14 kernels per day (so do I) combined with 1 x 500 mg Amygdaline and all the other supplements mentioned in my earlier message. According the FDA’s view on this, we should both be dead by now…
If you’re involved with cancer (or any other ‘disease’), please inform yourself about GNM and metabolic therapy. Google and YouTube are great to start with, but this is best combined with reading books about alternative therapies – there’s a bunch of them, written by doctors even.
greetings,
Ronald
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May 16th, 2010 at 11:49 am
Ronald said:
No, that’s not what conventional medicine is doing. Cancer therapy is not about fighting off symptoms, at least, not the primary therapy. The goal is to kill those cancer cells, to get that tumor out of there. That’s how you cure cancer – you have to eliminate the tumor. If it’s surgically removable, it can just be cut out and that’s that. If not, radiation is used to target the cells and chemotherapy kills cancer cells. Granted, both do cause some collateral damage, but they do work and have saved many lives!
Ronald said:
Not really. Apricot kernels do contain some cyanogenic glycoside, but you’d have to eat a hell of a lot to kill yourself
Ronald said:
I have no doubt of that. Cancer therapy is anything but pleasant, and breast cancer may not produce symptoms for most of the disease. This is a HUGE fallacy many cancer victims fall for with quacks. Cancer does not necessarily make you feel sick until the very end phase.
If your girlfriend had a bad enough tumor that they felt it necessary to do a mastectomy (as opposed to a lumpectomy and radiation or something) then it’s almost certainly still there and probably has grown and possibly spread.
It is remotely possible she has experienced a spontaneous remission, which does happen with breast cancer every once in a while.
For Christ sake, get her to a real doctor and have that tumor examined, because if it is still there, which it probably is, it has to come out! It may even be too late now, but the longer you wait the worse it is going to be.
I don’t care how good she feels, get her to a doctor. If you leave this then she’ll either die, or she’ll eventually end up realizing what is happening and probably need to have both breasts removed completely along with a number of lymph nodes and have to endure many months of radiation and chemo. She may also need to have other organs removed. She could end up losing several ribs, a lobe of her lung, part of her liver and even a section of her brain.
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May 16th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
drbuzz0, you’re a joke
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May 16th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Ronald said:
What a moron! The girlfriend is probably no better if she is following this idiot’s advice.
The only good thing is that these types might die of their own stupidity before the get to breed.
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May 16th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Why I called drbuzzo0 a joke? Well, for one thing because he, like most doctors don’t mind scaring the hell out off people – I presume he’s a doctor, because of the ‘dr’ in his handle, but then again, there’s also a ‘zero’ in it too… He states: ‘It is remotely possible she has experienced a spontaneous remission, which does happen with breast cancer every once in a while.’
Take a look at this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/27/health/27canc.html?_r=1
But I’ve been discussing this with too many guys (and women) like him before and it’s totally useless.
One more link (about people who got rid of cancer by using B17):
http://www.credence.org/testimon.html
greetings,
Ronald
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May 16th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
I cured my uncles prostate cancer with apricot kernels just a few months ago, he is doing really well
I’ve learnt that there is a massive conspiracy by the global elite to kill millions of people. Those in control in America, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations want to depopulate the planet. What better way by not permitting access to healthy vitamins and minerals by criminalising them as toxic substances through the Codex Alimentarious, whilst promoting poisonous drugs and exposing people to harmful radiaition. Their swine flu scam didn’t quite work, but I am sure there is another health scare around the corner that the media and brainwashed doctors will use to convince public that they need another jab. Turning people into poisoned zombies also severly depletes the numbers who are alert and willing to attack the bankers who are robbing the people through ludicrous taxes and bailouts. Bill Gates was talking about his eugenics plan through vaccination just recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0gvDkVcFkI
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May 16th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
There must be a rip in the screen, the bugs are getting in
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May 16th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Ronald said:
I’m not a doctor. That’s just my online handle. Long story. It’s clearly noted on this site.
Yeah, breast cancer does go into spontaneous remission a significant amount of the time (But still well less than 50% of the time.) However, that’s for very small initial stage tumors. If the doctors really did feel that your girlfriend required a full mastectomy and not just removal of the tumor, then it would imply that it was well beyond that stage. Once a cancer gets to a significant size, it rarely goes into remission on its own.
Either way, her chances are not good. Get her to a real medical professional.
Ronald said:
Unverified second hand anecdotes are not evidence.
Philip Porter said:
Okay, listen, idiot, have you done even the most basic research on prostate cancer? It’s not a condition that generally kills you in a few months. In fact, it can fester for years, depending on how aggressive it is. The symptoms are not always noticeable and can wane and wax.
If your uncle really did have prostate cancer a few months ago, then he still does! Unless he’s had his prostate removed or had radiation beam therapy to kill the tumor, it’s almost surely still there!
Look, sometimes cancer kills quickly but sometimes it doesn’t. I’m aware of many cases of individuals who were diagnosed with cancer that could have been treated with a high rate of success, but they declined it. They then proclaim how healthy they feel on the “natural” treatment and that their cancer is obviously cured. Then anywhere from a couple months to a couple of years later, they’re dead.
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May 16th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
drbuzz0 said:
No, idiot, the tests he’s has done prove his counts gone down to nearly zero. After following my advice, and reading Philip Day’s book, he changed his diet dramatically and took the apricot seeds.
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May 16th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Philip Porter said:
I was going to say there are four possibilities: either the first test was wrong, the second test was wrong, he happened to have a natural fluke in the numbers or this guy is a liar
However, I did some Googling and narrowed it down to one. Philip Porter is a liar. He’s a troll who is selling this crap like he has done before.
http://jaycueaitch.wordpress.com/2010/01/17/a-second-year-of-steam/
http://jaycueaitch.wordpress.com/2009/08/24/scenar-data/
Turns out he’s trolled plenty of other blogs before. Also, if he implies he discovered this “a few months ago” by curing his uncle, it seems he was at this more than a year ago, so either he happened to be doing this before his alleged uncle was cured or he just made the whole damn thing up (more likely)
The notion that apricot pits are a cancer cure is just plane insulting to those who have struggled with cancer.
This lying troll is simply another nobody who is using the anonymity of the internet to further their own crazy pet theory of how the world works.
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May 16th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Gordon said:
I am no liar, you ignorant ****ing brainwashed sheep, you are probably paid to come up with this crap.
The global elite do not want a cure for cancer for the masses. What was the last cure they found for anything? They want most people dead, or illnesses sustained with medicine, to fund the pockets of drug companies. Why do you think water is full of the industrial poison sodium fluoride? They cannot patent apricot kernels and because of this, they demonise it, it is exactly the same with hemp, it is well established that this is a fantastically useful substance also.
Monkeys in their natural habitat have been filmed desperately trying to break open the stones of fruits such as peaches. Why, because they instinctively know that there is something inside which is good for them. Monkeys in captivity do not have access to such foods and often die of cancer as a result.
People die of cancer because they have been taught to rely on doctors, who sadly have been sytematically brainwashed by their peers and their education into believing that there is little of value in nature, apparently anything of value must be made patentable and made in a lab.
I have known about B17 for 2 years or so, and I informed my Uncle about it last November, and his PSA count has gone down to nearly zero, even though he is still a smoker.
I guess you can’t cope with that info, so in your head I must be a liar.
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May 16th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Philip Porter – You have been caught out and exposed for what you are, and that is an outright fraud. Just so you know, at least one of us will be keeping an eye on this thread at all times and you will be hounded if you persist on trolling this blog.
Your opinions are that of fool at best, a mountebank at worst and you will be treated as such. Your claims are without foundation, and without proof of any sort, and will be rejected outright until you provide some real evidence to the contrary. Remember too that here, correlation does not equal causation, anecdotes are not evidence, and the plural of anecdote is not data.
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May 16th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
DV82XL said:
No I haven’t you twit!
What fraud? You mean other comments which you dont agree with.
My opinions come about as a result of extensive research.
So Baxter International manufacture swine flu in a lab in an attempt to murder people, and you think they will let you know when they’ve found a cure for cancer. Ha ha, you cretin.
How can evidence be provided when there is a conspiracy to suppress the truth?
I’m afraid it is a jigsaw that cannot be offered to you simply with the results of double blind trials. I can offer you proof, but it means you reading a lot, and watching a lot of presentations, but as you already have your mind made up and you know that I am a fraud you wouldn’t be interested in learning anything that goes against your left brain processing.
You are asking me to provide evidence, but the evidence you want must therefore come from the same authorities that are destroying our children with Ritalin. The drug companies have evidence that B17 works, they just dont want people to know about it, because they want people addicted to drugs or just dead. Bill Gates loves his vaccines! Not for his family of course but for the poor children around the world, particularly Africa. Ah!
If by any chance you are interested in understanding the truth, I can certainly provide evidence of the conspiracy read “Cancer: Why We’re Still Dying to Know the Truth” by Phillip Day and “How To Stop Your Doctor Killing You” by Dr Vernon Coleman
I have all the evidence I need, and I will continue to promote B17 as a cancer answer to all my friends and relatives.
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May 16th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Philip Porter said:
Well, if by “cure” you mean something that is nearly 100% effective at completely eliminating a condition in one who suffers from it, I suppose the answer would be some of the more recent antibiotics, with the newest classes being introduced from the 1980’s to more recently.
If you’re talking about something that has a high success rate in successfully eliminating a condition or making it manageable. Well, lets see. There’s the cyberknife and other digitally controlled radiation beam systems. Then there’s drug coated stents, which are fairly new and extremely successful in effectively curing angina and other heart conditions.
Deafness can be cured with cochlear implants, those are fairly new.
Non-invasive angioplasty is fairly new.
If you want to see a large number of one-sided cures that just eliminate a condition in by taking a pill in the way the discovery of antibiotics did, you’re not going to see those too often. What you fail to appreciate is that medicine and pharmacology is a very complex science and there’s no one-size-fits-all mirical cure-all pill that can be taken for most conditions. Certainly not something as ridiculous as an apricot pit. Treating a condition is a very complex problem which involves drugs, therapy, surgery, monitoring and numerous other tools in the arsenal of modern medicine.
Philip Porter said:
Yeah… they sure don’t want more people alive to sell products to. If that happened they might make some money.
It also explains why no rich, powerful, elite person ever dies from cancer. After all, the elite know about these methods, that’s why Ted Kennedy didn’t die of cancer… oh wait… he did die of cancer, just like numerous wealthy powerful individuals.
Philip Porter said:
Oh well that’s easy. The Soviet Union wants to taint the purity of our precious bodily fluids.
Philip Porter said:
Monkeys in the wild have been filmed doing a lot of things. Some of them I am not even going to mention here. Let me just say that what monkeys do is not necessarily indicative of a well informed action.
Philip Porter said:
Monkeys in captivity live much much longer than in the wild. In the wild, they would rarely live long enough to get cancer.
Now are you suggesting that monkeys in the wild are immortal? Since you seem to think anything can be cured with natural substances, I’d have to think so.
Philip Porter said:
So let me just ask you again: If you’re claiming that nature can cure cancer and that doctors only harm, then are you saying that a person will never die if they use natural products to cure everything? Are you saying that a life can be 100% free of disease? Because if it can, then presumably there’s nothing that could result in death except perhaps a freak accident.
So I assume you expect to live forever??
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May 16th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Philip Porter said:
Works for me. Fewer of your relatives surviving cancer means fewer of your genes in the next generation – it’ll be a start towards breeding stupidity out of the population.
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May 16th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
Philip Porter said:
Oh yes you have, but please just keep posting the way you have been, there is nothing like name-calling to try and smoke-screen the fact that you have nothing in the way of proof.
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May 17th, 2010 at 6:34 am
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Philip Porter said:
Don’t forget to mention the zionist homosexual alien on the grassy knoll drinking Coca Cola.
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May 17th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
drbuzz0 said:
antibiotics damage the imune system, and they make people weaker when faced with ever increasingly strong super bugs that are resistant to all the antibiotics doctors have at their disposal. Antibiotics bring on fungal and yeast infections and cause rashes, stomachaches and diarrhea. Antibiotics kill all bacteria in the body, including the ones we need. Iodine and Colloidal silver are marvelous alternatives which do not have all these negative effects, but the poor drug companies can’t make money from them.
well its better than traditional radiotherapy
Stents can lead to the formation of scar tissue, which blocks the blood vessel and can cause further health problems, many stents are now designed to exude drugs that suppress immune response and cell division. In 2006, researchers discovered that drug-coating stents increased patients’ risk of suffering fatal blood clots compared with the more traditional stents. Patients then take have to take a drug to prevent blood clots
Those whose auditory nerve is damaged aren’t good candidates because the implant works by directly stimulating the auditory nerve. If the nerve is damaged, the implant won’t work very well. Also, the surgical procedure that is required to implant the cochlear implant into the ear will destroy any residual hearing in that ear. Electrostimulation of the cochlear to heal itself is the future.
Ridiculous? Why is a natural product ridiculous. Is it ridiculous that scurvy is a lack of vitamin C? No
I just cannot understand this mindset. Aygdalin is present in apple seeds, cherry seeds, the peach pit, green guages. You can buy the seeds for £15 a kilo. It is only ridiculous if you’ve bought into the pharmaceutical lies which stretch back generations.
Yes they made it really complicated so its expensive. The solutions to long term health problems lie in getting the right vitamins, minerals, and exercise. These are cheap solutions, but as I keep saying they dont want cheap solution of which they are not in control, because they would lose their power and control, so what they do is the demonise nature, make the notion of natural cures ludicrous, and the notion that if you are against their solution then you must be a fraudster
They bleed you dry until your dead, death on an individual scale may not be as beneficial as being permitted to continue to bleed you dry through “health” products, it depends on the situation, but it fits their eugenics goal, the masses are “useless eaters” (their words). They put cancer causing products into food, but people are so doped up on entertainment and sodium fluoride, half the poor are on psychiatric drugs anyway, so they wont rebel. But looking at it collectively, they do prefer the genecide through war or contageous diseases, it is quicker. They want us dead because they dont need us, they need some people but only useful ones for the future. The elite have all the technology now and most of the people are working in jobs serving each other, basically the masses are in the way, we have served our purpose now it is time for many of us to die, they are bankrupting the world, and elimating the “useless eaters”. They want a global government where a smaller population all work for them. Read “Brave New World” that is what they are working towards.
I wondered about him too, all I can say to that is that after JFK exposed the illuminati in a speech in 1961, it is possible that the brothers were never quite in the top bracket, and thus not partial to that info. Don’t know any others though.
Age doesn’t seem to be a factor in cancer any more, there are tons of kids getting it, crap diets perhaps, intentional poisoned foods to kill off the poor perhaps. Not happy with just putting it in our teeth, they put mercury in corn syrup now. LOL
I am saying that monkeys dont die of cancer in the wild of they have access to the seeds. They just die of old age or injuries
Also the Hunza people don’t get cancer because of amygdalin
http://www.new-ag.info/focus/focusItem.php?a=1086
no you die of old age or accidents
no, you can get diseases but they can be cured much more effectively with nature than pharmaceuticals. Pharmaceuticals have a great deal to offer in certain situations but the balance between the two is completely off. The freemasons have controlled our world from behind the scenes for centuries, at a cost of $2 million they errected the Georgia Guidestones in 1979, at the top it says “Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature”, under 10% of todays global population. The US health care bill was signed 30 years to the day after the flagstone date, symbolising the coming genocide. They may not look to be doing very well, but they have only recently kicked off into full gear, fortunately people are now waking up to this reality. However, with the coming natural disasters and world war III which they know all about, it will help them achieve most of their goal.
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May 17th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
Philip Porter – Why in God’s name should we listen to the unsupported ravings of a nobody like you? Instead of random assertions, post some proof, if you have any.
This is a skeptic’s blog. By definition, skeptic doubt until they are shown hard proof. Yet time and time again people show up here with nothing more than undocumented anecdotes, and then get into a high dudgeon when we won’t accept what they say at face value. don’t you get it? The whole point here is to sort out the truth from the nonsense by using Method, and that requires that everyone backs up what they say with more than strident language.
That doesn’t mean we are not open to new ideas. However skeptics naturally have a strong suspicion of any claimed observational result that purports to overthrow an extremely well-established theory. That’s just common sense, not hidebound establishmentarianism; most such anomalies eventually go away. But that doesn’t mean that you ignore anomalies; you just treat them with caution.
A crank, on the other hand is the proper term used for a person who unshakably holds a belief that most of his or her contemporaries consider to be false. A crank’s belief is so wildly at variance with commonly accepted truth as to be ludicrous. Cranks characteristically dismiss all evidence or arguments which contradict their own unconventional beliefs, making rational debate an often futile task.
You sir, are a crank. You will never make any headway here, no matter how often you post, no matter how loud you shout. No proof, no sale, no question.
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May 17th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
DV82XL said:
What is proof, when it can be so easily manipulated by the funders of the research?
Due to Climategate and whistleblowers, any scientist with any credibility now knows that man made global warming is a tax scam, yet look at all the supposed “PROOF” that was used to achieve their agenda.
If they can corrupt science at such a level, why not in cancer research too?
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May 17th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Philip Porter said:
Even if this were true, (and it most assuredly is not) why would this give any weight to what you are putting forward?
Furthermore just because you are uneducated and ignorant, it doesn’t mean everyone is. I can evaluate what has passed in climate science, and it is not all about the contents of a few intercepted e-mails. The case for accelerated climate change is sound and the evidence is everywhere. But that’s just it: there is evidence that can be examined and evaluated by all. You are just telling stories, there is no good reason to believe you just on the basis of that.
Anyway, what I wrote above still stands – this is a skeptic’s blog – the nature of which means that you must post proof or you will not be taken seriously, or any of your ideas entertained. If you don’t, or can’t post references, you are wasting your time and ours.
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May 17th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
DV82XL said:
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May 17th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
DV82XL said:
You indicated that you require proof, and I took that to mean that you only accept information from the official bodies, then I gave you information to suggest that official bodies can be easily corrupted, so how do you know that you can trust the info with which you have used to formulate your opinions in the past. As a result you should realise that if you have been lied to about that, what else have you been lied to about?
No, you are uneducated and ignorant, I said “man made” global warming, ie. the notion that it is caused by CO2. Climate change is real but it is caused by changes in space, most believe Planet X, (which NASA hid quickly in 1983 after discovering it), and/or the passing of the galactic centre in 2 years to be the cause. Do you want proof, er there is a ton of it, try this for exposing climate fraud
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/
I am not trying to derail the thread by that way, I was asked so I provided info
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May 17th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
and this to proof that the government are hiding the coming disasters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgimpoT92F4
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May 17th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
and this is to prove that monsters exist, that they live in New York, and that they eat cookies
http://www.sesamestreet.org/
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May 17th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Philip Porter said:
There is no such thing as death from old age. You die when a critical organ fails due to disease of some type, cancer, circulatory failure etc. You don’t just die because you’re old. As one ages, wear and tear accumulates, the body is not as good at repairing itself, organs degrade and so on. Ultimately, there has to be an acute cause of death.
Jeanne Calment of France died at 122 of respiratory failure, possibly associated with an infection. She had been experiencing respiratory problems for her last years.
Shigechiyo Izumi of Japan died at age 120 of pnemonia
Marie-Louise Meilleur died at 117 due to a blood clot.
Walter H. Seward died at 111 years old due to septis caused by an infection.
I presume that your so-called “natural cures” are capable of effectively curing all these conditions, so then I’d have to assume these people died unnecessarily and would otherwise live forever
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May 17th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Philip Porter – Proof in its broadest sense includes everything that is used to determine or demonstrate the truth of an assertion. Producing evidence is the process of using those things that are either, presumed to be true, or were themselves proven via evidence, to demonstrate an assertion’s truth.
The material in the links you posted do not fulfil those requirements being only more unproven statements that are not universally accepted as true, nor to they have a clear, logical path back to universally accepted truths.
They are not proof. They are not even reasonable evidence.
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May 18th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Philip Porter said:
Planet X? A planet whose influence is major enough to alter the climate of earth yet is so small and/or distant that only NASA’s sophisticated equipment could detect it and no other possibly could and which was discovered in 1983 but hidden for whatever evil reasons of the conspirators….
Yes, this does keep getting better and better.
How many apricot pits do I need to eat to see the planet?
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May 18th, 2010 at 12:22 am
drbuzz0 said:
I think you need mushrooms for that….
Also fully natural
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May 18th, 2010 at 7:15 am
drbuzz0 said:
The body’s organs wear out after so long, you can’t keep going forever, natural cures will only work to a point with age, you can’t beat time. Old people often die because they feel it is their time, it doesn’t always need to be medicalised, they can die from grief like my Gran, the doctor put “old age” on her death certificate.
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May 18th, 2010 at 7:42 am
DV82XL said:
OK, they are not proof, but they are evidence, and there is a lot more. I am trying to indicate that there is a huge conspiracy which has been ongoing for centuries, which is now reaching its pinacle, which has successfully made the general public believe certain things, whilst omitting certain important truths. Everything regarding this can be found in books and on the internet. You cannot however, recognise the depth of this conspiracy until you put the pieces together. One piece of the jigsaw, ie. one piece of evidence is not going to change your mind, if you have been systematically brainwashed by education and the media into believing things are a certain way. You need to look at an at least nearly complete jigsaw to see it. I have attempted to highlight some of these things for you but if you do not wish to investigate further because you are interested only the mainstream approach then I can’t do much else.
Universally accepted truths?
What does this mean?
was it universally accepted that the earth was flat?
was it universally accepted that the twin tower attack was organised from thousands of miles away by a man in a cave?
was it universally accepted that Sadam had WMDs?
Is a “universally accepted truth” something that the authorities believe or that most people believe. If it is “the authorities” then it is not universal, if it is “most people” then how do we know that the authorities haven’t used the media to manipulate the people in order to fullfill their agenda.
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May 18th, 2010 at 8:18 am
A universally accepted truth is called an axiom. An axiom is a proposition that is not proved or demonstrated but considered to be either self-evident, or subject to necessary decision. Therefore, its truth is taken for granted, and serves as a starting point for deducing and inferring other (theory dependent) truths.
None of the items in your list were ever axiomatic in that sense – they were never self-evident, and the first was enforced dogma of the Catholic Church, that had been disproved by the Greeks. The others are opinions that were being questioned even at the time.
What you linked to is not evidence, since one cannot prove the proposition by restating the conclusions. Nor is inductive reasoning going to work if the propositions remain themselves unproven. Theologists have constructed vast, logically sound inductive reasoning of what must be the will of God. However it is all founded on assuming scripture is inerrant, which it certainly is not. All the carefully built dogma that has been derived is nonsense because the contents of the Bible cannot be proven. The same with your ‘research’ on the internet. If the statements you are welding together themselves are unproven, your conclusions are not sound.
However I am still waiting for an answer to the question of why you would come to a den of skeptics, who you know are going to demand that you present a standard of proof, you know you cannot possibly provide? The whole point of being a skeptic is to require a higher standard of proof than vague accusations of conspiracy.
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May 18th, 2010 at 9:10 am
drbuzz0 said:
You haven’t looked into this at all
Although it is called Planet X it is not a planet, it is a brown dwarf star (the suns twin), which is only visible via very expensive infrared equpiment, it is on a several thousand year orbit. They built a telescope at the south pole and at the vatican to see it. It is causing the volcanoes, earthquakes and tsunamis, these will intensify over the next 3 years. There was an earthquake in Ireland two weeks ago, first time in recorded history.
http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/
You wont believe it until you look at it from all angles, but considering the activities of the governments alone is enough to make you people suspicious, why have they moved the CIA to Denver at a cost of billions, why has Bush bought land in Paraguay, why do a disporportionate amount of retired military live in Denver, Why does Denver International Airport resemble the “end of the world” with its own pale horse of the appocalypse?
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_denver05.htm
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May 18th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Philip Porter said:
Three years? How is this possible when everybody knows that the world will end on December 21, 2012?
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May 18th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Philip Porter Why are you pushing this nonsense in a place you must know will not buy into it? Why are you throwing yourself against those that are not going to accept anything you write without solid proof? Surely you must know that pointing to the rantings of other deluded folk isn’t going to cut it with us.
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May 18th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
DV82XL said:
You say “the first was enforced dogma of the Catholic Church, that had been disproved by the Greeks”
how do you know this? where is the proof? according to this the notion that catholics believed the earth was flat was a myth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth
However, assuming for as moment that it was not a myth, it may be more Catholic lies after all. What I believe you are doing is behaving exactly like those under the control of the Catholic Church. They had been brainwashed into believing things work a certain way, and may say something like
“the idea that the world is round is nonsence, a vague conspiracy theory and why would you come here saying that it is round you have no proof. The evidence you have presented is not proof. We understand the modern world and know it to be flat and will not believe you”
So therefore you acknowledge that the Catholic Church maufactured this conspiracy. What if today the masses were still under an even greater and older conspiracy manuafctured AGAIN by the Catholic Church, how would you know of this if you were a victim of that conspiracy. You wouldn’t! That was me a year ago. Society would have taught you that looking at conspiracy theories is the activity of the mentally ill. So how do you get break free from that? You look into the stuff that you are told is conspiracy. It is only then that you will be on the road to freeing your mind.
I am trying to make you see that you have the wrong approach, that this sceptical attitude wont help you, it only serves the ego. You need to go through a waking up process (start by watching Wake Up Call on google videos, I assure you it is very interesting and will probe you into asking many more questions) after which you will see that most major and small events that happen in the present and in history are not disconnected activities, like our university eduaction and the mainstream media has us believe, but they all are connected in ways most people, brainwashed by the Zionist lies could not possibly imagine.
You are a prisoner, but how do you break out when you don’t know that you are in a prison, there are many levels to the prison, but you can only break out when you stop being sceptical prisoner and start to look at what is preventing your understanding of the matrix and reality. Socrates said “The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.” once you keep that in your mind, your mind is open to all possibility, it doesn’t mean you accept everything, but that you can filter it through intuition. This is the only way to find the truth. Dismissal and disinterest in unproven theories compartmentalises your understanding of reality and provides you with a fake notion of personal security. Ignorant slaves are exactly what Rothschild and Rockefeller want.
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May 18th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
BMS said:
I rounded it up, yes that date is meant to be the main date for activity
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May 18th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
I had a feeling the Rothschilds would make an appearance here. If you’ve got a conspiracy theory, you’re sure to find Zionists behind it, controlled by the Rothschilds, the A-List of the Lizard People.
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May 18th, 2010 at 8:34 pm
Philip Porter said:
Actually I know all about this and in fact, considerably more than yourself.
What you’re talking about is a bastardized version of something called the Nemesis Hypothysis It holds that a brown dwarf star could orbit the sun in an extreme elliptical orbit far beyond the orbit of Pluto and that this could account for the apparent periodic rise in cometary collisions and some other anomalies. Basically the object would come close enough to the sun every 26 million years and in doing so would disturb some cometary orbits.
Most astronomers consider the hypothysis to be a bit speculative. It *could* be true, but there’s no direct evidence. However, there are possibilities of detecting such a body. Brown dwarfs are difficult to detect, but since this one is relatively close, it should be visible with sensitive enough infrared telescopes.
The WISE mission began in 2009 to map the sky using a wide field infrared telescope. If Nemisis is there, WISE should pick it up. The mission is between 1/4 and 1/3 complete. Thus far nothing detected.
By the way. I know you’re a conspiracy theorists and so the Vatacan seems like a great place for some super-sensitive telescope (very in vogue with the Da Vinci code and all) but the Vatacan is located right in Rome. Horrible place for a super-sensitive telescope! There is a small astronomy there, but really, if you actually wanted to do serious observations with a big hightech telescope, a place like that has too much light and thermal pollution and its too low and too much moisture in the air.
Highly sensitive modern telescopes are built on remote mountaintops and desert plateaus. Only an idiot would think the Vatican would be a descent place for one.
Also, the South Pole would not be a very good place for a big super-sensitive infrared telescope. While it has the advantages of very dry air and very cold ambient temperatures, there are some big drawbacks. For one thing, all the equipment has to be brought in on C-130, but more importantly the blowing snow and ice crystals during high winds would scour optics and mirrors. It’s a very harsh environment. The Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station does do astronomy research, but building optical telescopes that are exposed to the outside for an extended period of time is not feasible. Buildings tend to be burred in drifting snow banks (hence the current station is actually elevated.
Highly sensitive telescopes need big mirrors to gather light. South Pole is probably a no-go.
See.. I know about this. Considerably more than yourself, actually
Oh by the way, what does this have to do with cancer?
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