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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
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		<dc:creator>drbuzz0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 15:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;33517&quot;]I always in the favor of the homeopathy medicine because it has no side effects.Thanks you have a great blog.[/quote]You obviously haven&#039;t actually read this blog (nor can you spell favour).

Oh well, rel=nofollow has its uses (namely preventing the spammer from actually getting a better google ranking, I loaded the site just to use up a little of the spammer&#039;s bandwidth).</description>
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I always in the favor of the homeopathy medicine because it has no side effects.Thanks you have a great blog.</p>
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<p>You obviously haven&#8217;t actually read this blog (nor can you spell favour).</p>
<p>Oh well, rel=nofollow has its uses (namely preventing the spammer from actually getting a better google ranking, I loaded the site just to use up a little of the spammer&#8217;s bandwidth).</p>
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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
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		<dc:creator>drbuzz0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;27633&quot;] You can say that I&#039;m not but the state of Claifornia recognizes me as such.[/quote]

Well then, that&#039;s a very bad state policy that needs to be changed.   It&#039;s not the only example of an illogical, harmful or downright stupid law.  There are many.   In fact, I&#039;d bet that there isn&#039;t a country in the world that does not have some boneheaded legislation.


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yes I claim to have seen some results (you are welcome to view my video testimonials and look at metanalysis I quickly reflect on on the relevant page at my site-holistricsolutionsdoc.com.[/quote]

No, I&#039;m not swayed by testimonials.  That&#039;s called &quot;Anecdotal evidence&quot; which really is not evidence at all.  Modern medicine is based on well documented, tightly monitored, placebo-controlled clinical studies.    It does for good reason.



[quote comment=&quot;27633&quot;] But if you are not aware that &quot;all doctors&quot; have bad outcomes you have your head under a lot of rocks.  Death happens in medicine.  We as a profession have very little injury outcomes.  Google death/injury statistrics for drugs herbs and so on.[/quote]

all drugs and medical procedures have risks and potential side effects.  This is well known.   Therefore it is up to doctors and patients to decide when the risks outweigh the benefits.   There are many cases where a procedure, though risky, is far less risky than not doing anything.

The risk/benefit or cost/benefit ratio should never result in division by zero.   In other words, there must always be some justifiable benefit.   If there is none than any risk, even if small, is unnecessary and therefore frivolous.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/canadian-naturopath-faces-manslaughter-charges/#comment-27633"><b>&#8220;Doctor&#8221; Joseph Dubroff said:</b></a></p>
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 You can say that I&#8217;m not but the state of Claifornia recognizes me as such.</p>
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<p>Well then, that&#8217;s a very bad state policy that needs to be changed.   It&#8217;s not the only example of an illogical, harmful or downright stupid law.  There are many.   In fact, I&#8217;d bet that there isn&#8217;t a country in the world that does not have some boneheaded legislation.</p>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/canadian-naturopath-faces-manslaughter-charges/#comment-27633"><b>&#8220;Doctor&#8221; Joseph Dubroff said:</b></a></p>
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<p>yes I claim to have seen some results (you are welcome to view my video testimonials and look at metanalysis I quickly reflect on on the relevant page at my site-holistricsolutionsdoc.com.</p>
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<p>No, I&#8217;m not swayed by testimonials.  That&#8217;s called &#8220;Anecdotal evidence&#8221; which really is not evidence at all.  Modern medicine is based on well documented, tightly monitored, placebo-controlled clinical studies.    It does for good reason.</p>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/canadian-naturopath-faces-manslaughter-charges/#comment-27633"><b>&#8220;Doctor&#8221; Joseph Dubroff said:</b></a></p>
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 But if you are not aware that &#8220;all doctors&#8221; have bad outcomes you have your head under a lot of rocks.  Death happens in medicine.  We as a profession have very little injury outcomes.  Google death/injury statistrics for drugs herbs and so on.</p>
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<p>all drugs and medical procedures have risks and potential side effects.  This is well known.   Therefore it is up to doctors and patients to decide when the risks outweigh the benefits.   There are many cases where a procedure, though risky, is far less risky than not doing anything.</p>
<p>The risk/benefit or cost/benefit ratio should never result in division by zero.   In other words, there must always be some justifiable benefit.   If there is none than any risk, even if small, is unnecessary and therefore frivolous.</p>
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		<title>By: "Doctor" Joseph Dubroff</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What can I say about all this.  I&#039;m a naturopathic doctor.  You can say that I&#039;m not but the state of Claifornia recognizes me as such.  USA yes...canada I don&#039;t know your laws and our states all very...not all states even have laws.  Would love your big attitudes to sit threw my schooling.

I work as a volunteer doctor practicing conventional medicine at a local clinic as well.  This is good for many reasons.  But none of the MDs are worried about it as they have looked into my law and studies.

I&#039;m not a conventional physician.  I do practice and learn this type of medicine, offer such care to the underserved but I don&#039;t consider myself a conventionial doctor...btubelieve me I&#039;m a doctor.

NDs are not MDs, DOs or anything other then what they are.  THat is enough to make al  the typical conservative crowds get their underwear ina bunch.  We offer a different look and different medicines...yes, I practice homeopathy....yes I claim to have seen some results (you are welcome to view my video testimonials and look at metanalysis I quickly reflect on on the relevant page at my site-holistricsolutionsdoc.com.

I don&#039;t know what happened with this Canadian ND.  But if you are not aware that &quot;all doctors&quot; have bad outcomes you have your head under a lot of rocks.  Death happens in medicine.  We as a profession have very little injury outcomes.  Google death/injury statistrics for drugs herbs and so on.  IV has more potential as it is more invasive.  But take a look at injury rates for orthopedic surgery and consider there is, by many docs, little attention to alternatives even though there is soi much research that they should just stay with conventional practices-say physical therapy.

Have a great day...try and educate yourselvers a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can I say about all this.  I&#8217;m a naturopathic doctor.  You can say that I&#8217;m not but the state of Claifornia recognizes me as such.  USA yes&#8230;canada I don&#8217;t know your laws and our states all very&#8230;not all states even have laws.  Would love your big attitudes to sit threw my schooling.</p>
<p>I work as a volunteer doctor practicing conventional medicine at a local clinic as well.  This is good for many reasons.  But none of the MDs are worried about it as they have looked into my law and studies.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a conventional physician.  I do practice and learn this type of medicine, offer such care to the underserved but I don&#8217;t consider myself a conventionial doctor&#8230;btubelieve me I&#8217;m a doctor.</p>
<p>NDs are not MDs, DOs or anything other then what they are.  THat is enough to make al  the typical conservative crowds get their underwear ina bunch.  We offer a different look and different medicines&#8230;yes, I practice homeopathy&#8230;.yes I claim to have seen some results (you are welcome to view my video testimonials and look at metanalysis I quickly reflect on on the relevant page at my site-holistricsolutionsdoc.com.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what happened with this Canadian ND.  But if you are not aware that &#8220;all doctors&#8221; have bad outcomes you have your head under a lot of rocks.  Death happens in medicine.  We as a profession have very little injury outcomes.  Google death/injury statistrics for drugs herbs and so on.  IV has more potential as it is more invasive.  But take a look at injury rates for orthopedic surgery and consider there is, by many docs, little attention to alternatives even though there is soi much research that they should just stay with conventional practices-say physical therapy.</p>
<p>Have a great day&#8230;try and educate yourselvers a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Karnerfors</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Karnerfors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 08:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;18780&quot;]Michael Karnefors, did you use the word &quot;naturist&quot; when you meant &quot;naturopath&quot; or &quot;naturopathic&quot;?

I thought that &quot;naturist&quot; was synonymous with &quot;nudist&quot;...[/quote]
Hahaha!! Typo... I also accidentally wrote &quot;his&quot; instead of &quot;her&quot; above. Oh well, you know what I meant. :D

/Micke</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/canadian-naturopath-faces-manslaughter-charges/#comment-18780"><b>George Carty said:</b></a></p>
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Michael Karnefors, did you use the word &#8220;naturist&#8221; when you meant &#8220;naturopath&#8221; or &#8220;naturopathic&#8221;?</p>
<p>I thought that &#8220;naturist&#8221; was synonymous with &#8220;nudist&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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<p>Hahaha!! Typo&#8230; I also accidentally wrote &#8220;his&#8221; instead of &#8220;her&#8221; above. Oh well, you know what I meant. <img src='http://depletedcranium.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>/Micke</p>
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		<title>By: DV82XL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DV82XL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 08:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I though Mastafella you are all hot air. You are not fooling anyone reading this thread with your pathetic little attacks on me. Oh, and &#039;the coolest guy ever&#039; would not be hanging out at a passé seafood place on Peel at lunch. 

Peel - man you are almost a dozen blocks west from cool in Montreal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I though Mastafella you are all hot air. You are not fooling anyone reading this thread with your pathetic little attacks on me. Oh, and &#8216;the coolest guy ever&#8217; would not be hanging out at a passé seafood place on Peel at lunch. </p>
<p>Peel &#8211; man you are almost a dozen blocks west from cool in Montreal.</p>
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		<title>By: George Carty</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Carty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Karnefors, did you use the word &quot;naturist&quot; when you meant &quot;naturopath&quot; or &quot;naturopathic&quot;?

I thought that &quot;naturist&quot; was synonymous with &quot;nudist&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Karnefors, did you use the word &#8220;naturist&#8221; when you meant &#8220;naturopath&#8221; or &#8220;naturopathic&#8221;?</p>
<p>I thought that &#8220;naturist&#8221; was synonymous with &#8220;nudist&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mastafella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mastafella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 06:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are we going to debate, &quot;did her services help my mother live&quot; If you want to talk you are more then welcome but I don&#039;t have time to plan events for you to get your jollies off in a debate, most people are busy taking care of their families and trying to be helpful to the people around them. If you have problems with getting along with people maybe you should visit one of your recommend all in one solutions like a good psychologist (or parish priest). 

By the way I am the guy your parents warned you about, the coolest guy ever</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are we going to debate, &#8220;did her services help my mother live&#8221; If you want to talk you are more then welcome but I don&#8217;t have time to plan events for you to get your jollies off in a debate, most people are busy taking care of their families and trying to be helpful to the people around them. If you have problems with getting along with people maybe you should visit one of your recommend all in one solutions like a good psychologist (or parish priest). </p>
<p>By the way I am the guy your parents warned you about, the coolest guy ever</p>
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		<title>By: DV82XL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DV82XL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 06:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take it you are referring to the café Ferreira on Peel? Are you sure your boss won&#039;t mind you fighting with his customers while you wait on them?

If you want a discussion let&#039;s make it public, say at one of the CEGEP debating clubs, I you are game mail me at dv82xl@gmail.com and we&#039;ll set something up. College students make an ideal audience for this sort of thing. I can hardly wait to hear you tell them that you will expect them not to react to your remarks.

Who do think you are, even asking us not to respond?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it you are referring to the café Ferreira on Peel? Are you sure your boss won&#8217;t mind you fighting with his customers while you wait on them?</p>
<p>If you want a discussion let&#8217;s make it public, say at one of the CEGEP debating clubs, I you are game mail me at <a href="mailto:dv82xl@gmail.com">dv82xl@gmail.com</a> and we&#8217;ll set something up. College students make an ideal audience for this sort of thing. I can hardly wait to hear you tell them that you will expect them not to react to your remarks.</p>
<p>Who do think you are, even asking us not to respond?</p>
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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
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		<dc:creator>drbuzz0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 06:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feel free to get your own website without a commenting feature.   Then you can put out information and nobody will respond to it on the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feel free to get your own website without a commenting feature.   Then you can put out information and nobody will respond to it on the site.</p>
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