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		<title>By: MikeC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t even close to the best chemtrial disinfo site ever - you should pop over to contrailscience.com and get properly insulting.</description>
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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;36790&quot;]The best chemtrail dis-information troll site ever! Well done! Funny how these desperate &#039;debunking&#039; sites always resort to calling people names. Did you also do that other infamous dis-information classic: debunking 911?  Feel free to prove my point by trolling my comment and calling me names.[/quote]
Okay, so explain to me how one of those aircraft is really a chemtrail aircraft.   Rather than just declare the site to be a troll site, just show some evidence, or is that asking too much?</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/are-these-chemtrail-planes-no/#comment-36790"><b>jc00l said:</b></a></p>
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The best chemtrail dis-information troll site ever! Well done! Funny how these desperate &#8216;debunking&#8217; sites always resort to calling people names. Did you also do that other infamous dis-information classic: debunking 911?  Feel free to prove my point by trolling my comment and calling me names.</p>
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<p>Okay, so explain to me how one of those aircraft is really a chemtrail aircraft.   Rather than just declare the site to be a troll site, just show some evidence, or is that asking too much?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, Bozo the clown complaining about being called names.

Never mind that calling jc00l an idiot is just a statement of fact.</description>
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<p>Never mind that calling jc00l an idiot is just a statement of fact.</p>
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		<title>By: jc00l</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best chemtrail dis-information troll site ever! Well done! Funny how these desperate &#039;debunking&#039; sites always resort to calling people names. Did you also do that other infamous dis-information classic: debunking 911?  Feel free to prove my point by trolling my comment and calling me names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best chemtrail dis-information troll site ever! Well done! Funny how these desperate &#8216;debunking&#8217; sites always resort to calling people names. Did you also do that other infamous dis-information classic: debunking 911?  Feel free to prove my point by trolling my comment and calling me names.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr and Mrs Green</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!</description>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;35036&quot;]Why is it chemtrails are only appearing in USA Canada UK West Europe Australia New Zealand but only rarely in South America, NOT china or East Europe?  Why did the president of Equador come out and say he wasn&#039;t allowing chemtrailing in Equador if it didn&#039;t exist?[/quote]Contrails appear in all countries.

Oh and if a politicians thinks pandering to conspiracy nutcases will get him the votes he needs to be re-elected he&#039;ll say what they want to hear.

[quote comment=&quot;35036&quot;]And why are plane &quot;spraying&quot; then stopping, looping round and spraying again - over people, cities?[/quote]Because the runway isn&#039;t yet clear for them to land.

[quote comment=&quot;35036&quot;]Why are pilots saying there are chemtrails?[/quote]Pilots aren&#039;t, people who claim to be pilots are.</description>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/are-these-chemtrail-planes-no/#comment-35036"><b>Mr and Mrs Green said:</b></a></p>
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Why is it chemtrails are only appearing in USA Canada UK West Europe Australia New Zealand but only rarely in South America, NOT china or East Europe?  Why did the president of Equador come out and say he wasn&#8217;t allowing chemtrailing in Equador if it didn&#8217;t exist?</p>
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<p>Contrails appear in all countries.</p>
<p>Oh and if a politicians thinks pandering to conspiracy nutcases will get him the votes he needs to be re-elected he&#8217;ll say what they want to hear.</p>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/are-these-chemtrail-planes-no/#comment-35036"><b>Mr and Mrs Green said:</b></a></p>
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And why are plane &#8220;spraying&#8221; then stopping, looping round and spraying again &#8211; over people, cities?</p>
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<p>Because the runway isn&#8217;t yet clear for them to land.</p>
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://depletedcranium.com/are-these-chemtrail-planes-no/#comment-35036"><b>Mr and Mrs Green said:</b></a></p>
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Why are pilots saying there are chemtrails?</p>
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<p>Pilots aren&#8217;t, people who claim to be pilots are.</p>
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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;35036&quot;]Can you debunk these?

If there is no HAARP how would you explain this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_0rA2b1lg&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player
[/quote]

There is HAARP.  It&#039;s an ionospheric heater, which is a general purpose ionospheric research system.  It energizes the ionosphere in order to measure the properties at a given time.   This is then used for a variety of research purposes, some with military applications but many without.  These include things like improved HF direction finding, improving the reliability and accuracy of GPS, measuring the propagation characteristics of HF radio, generation of ULF radio through secondary emissions, over the horizon radar etc etc.

It&#039;s not the only facility of its kind.  Ionospheric heaters have been a major part of ionosphere research for decades.  

There is another ionospheric heater (smaller) run by the UCLA plasma physics laboratory north of Fairbanks called HIPAS.   Russia has one called the Sura ionospheric heating facility.   There&#039;s another one in Norway called EISCAT.   There are a number of smaller ones in Sweden, Iceland, Finland and Russia.

It has nothing to do with weather modification.  No matter how much energy you pump into the ionosphere above Alaska, you can&#039;t modify the weather around the world.  All you get is a slightly excited region of ionosphere locally.   It&#039;s not even like it changes the properties of the ionosphere that much.   The energy pales in comparison to the energy that the sun is constantly putting into the ionosphere. 

And that picture is a &quot;roll cloud&quot; or &quot;rotor cloud.&quot;  It&#039;s a sub-variety of arcus clouds.  It&#039;s a well known atmospheric phenomena.  It&#039;s a fairly rare event that you only see once in a while.   I wish people would just enjoy being treated to a unique weather phenomena like that and not get all wacky about the idea that it must be some evil government project.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcus_cloud


There you go.  You learned something!</description>
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Can you debunk these?</p>
<p>If there is no HAARP how would you explain this?<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_0rA2b1lg&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_0rA2b1lg&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player</a>
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<p>There is HAARP.  It&#8217;s an ionospheric heater, which is a general purpose ionospheric research system.  It energizes the ionosphere in order to measure the properties at a given time.   This is then used for a variety of research purposes, some with military applications but many without.  These include things like improved HF direction finding, improving the reliability and accuracy of GPS, measuring the propagation characteristics of HF radio, generation of ULF radio through secondary emissions, over the horizon radar etc etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the only facility of its kind.  Ionospheric heaters have been a major part of ionosphere research for decades.  </p>
<p>There is another ionospheric heater (smaller) run by the UCLA plasma physics laboratory north of Fairbanks called HIPAS.   Russia has one called the Sura ionospheric heating facility.   There&#8217;s another one in Norway called EISCAT.   There are a number of smaller ones in Sweden, Iceland, Finland and Russia.</p>
<p>It has nothing to do with weather modification.  No matter how much energy you pump into the ionosphere above Alaska, you can&#8217;t modify the weather around the world.  All you get is a slightly excited region of ionosphere locally.   It&#8217;s not even like it changes the properties of the ionosphere that much.   The energy pales in comparison to the energy that the sun is constantly putting into the ionosphere. </p>
<p>And that picture is a &#8220;roll cloud&#8221; or &#8220;rotor cloud.&#8221;  It&#8217;s a sub-variety of arcus clouds.  It&#8217;s a well known atmospheric phenomena.  It&#8217;s a fairly rare event that you only see once in a while.   I wish people would just enjoy being treated to a unique weather phenomena like that and not get all wacky about the idea that it must be some evil government project.  </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcus_cloud" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcus_cloud</a></p>
<p>There you go.  You learned something!</p>
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		<title>By: MikeC</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contrails spread out because they are the same as cirrus clouds, and they spread out in the same circumstances cirrus clouds would spread out - wind shear as they make virga or themselves fall in altitude, and/or nucleation of a supersaturated-with-ice atmosphere making &quot;new&quot; cirrus cloud.

Curved contrails are usually holding patterns - and thy can be anywhere - from the middle of the Pacific ocean to overhead cities.

Two jets making different lengths of contrails are not in the same atmosphere - there is nothing in that video that says what altitude they are at - and even a difference of 100 feet can be enough to change contrail characteristics - if you are 50 feet inside a cloud and them move 100 feet so you are 50 feet outside a cloud there is enough difference in the atmosphere to have cloud in 1 place and no cloud in another.  Jets will usually be 100 ft or more apart in altitude - and unless you have range finding equipment or flight monitoring software you have no idea of their altitude difference.

All this is basic aviation and meteorology - you really should get more knowledge before saying this is something strange - I suggest www.contrailscience.com as a starting point for your education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrails spread out because they are the same as cirrus clouds, and they spread out in the same circumstances cirrus clouds would spread out &#8211; wind shear as they make virga or themselves fall in altitude, and/or nucleation of a supersaturated-with-ice atmosphere making &#8220;new&#8221; cirrus cloud.</p>
<p>Curved contrails are usually holding patterns &#8211; and thy can be anywhere &#8211; from the middle of the Pacific ocean to overhead cities.</p>
<p>Two jets making different lengths of contrails are not in the same atmosphere &#8211; there is nothing in that video that says what altitude they are at &#8211; and even a difference of 100 feet can be enough to change contrail characteristics &#8211; if you are 50 feet inside a cloud and them move 100 feet so you are 50 feet outside a cloud there is enough difference in the atmosphere to have cloud in 1 place and no cloud in another.  Jets will usually be 100 ft or more apart in altitude &#8211; and unless you have range finding equipment or flight monitoring software you have no idea of their altitude difference.</p>
<p>All this is basic aviation and meteorology &#8211; you really should get more knowledge before saying this is something strange &#8211; I suggest <a href="http://www.contrailscience.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.contrailscience.com</a> as a starting point for your education.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr and Mrs Green</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2011 07:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you debunk these?

If there is no HAARP how would you explain this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_0rA2b1lg&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player

Why do the &quot;contrails&quot; not dissipate but spread width ways and make the whole sky White? I have seen this and taken photos in stages. It isn&#039;t cloud? Many others have noticed this too.

Why is it chemtrails are only appearing in USA Canada UK West Europe Australia New Zealand but only rarely in South America, NOT china or East Europe?  Why did the president of Equador come out and say he wasn&#039;t allowing chemtrailing in Equador if it didn&#039;t exist?


And why are plane &quot;spraying&quot; then stopping, looping round and spraying again - over people, cities?

Look at this video - look at 5 minutes - two planes flying at same time, one behind the first. The first has a contrail which dusapeers in seconds, the second stays in the air and spreads? Same atmosphere?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL_nkKFXCGE&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player

Why are pilots saying there are chemtrails?

http://theintelhub.com/2011/10/19/pilot-speaks-out-about-chemtrails-and-haarp/#.TqFlS94Ep1I.facebookhttp://theintelhub.com/2011/10/19/pilot-speaks-out-about-chemtrails-and-haarp/#.TqFlS94Ep1I.facebook

Why are the USA IRS coming out saying there are spraying programmes of toxic chemicals etc?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRTWYf0JaPk&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player




Sent from my iPod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you debunk these?</p>
<p>If there is no HAARP how would you explain this?<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_0rA2b1lg&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_0rA2b1lg&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player</a></p>
<p>Why do the &#8220;contrails&#8221; not dissipate but spread width ways and make the whole sky White? I have seen this and taken photos in stages. It isn&#8217;t cloud? Many others have noticed this too.</p>
<p>Why is it chemtrails are only appearing in USA Canada UK West Europe Australia New Zealand but only rarely in South America, NOT china or East Europe?  Why did the president of Equador come out and say he wasn&#8217;t allowing chemtrailing in Equador if it didn&#8217;t exist?</p>
<p>And why are plane &#8220;spraying&#8221; then stopping, looping round and spraying again &#8211; over people, cities?</p>
<p>Look at this video &#8211; look at 5 minutes &#8211; two planes flying at same time, one behind the first. The first has a contrail which dusapeers in seconds, the second stays in the air and spreads? Same atmosphere?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL_nkKFXCGE&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL_nkKFXCGE&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player</a></p>
<p>Why are pilots saying there are chemtrails?</p>
<p><a href="http://theintelhub.com/2011/10/19/pilot-speaks-out-about-chemtrails-and-haarp/#.TqFlS94Ep1I.facebookhttp://theintelhub.com/2011/10/19/pilot-speaks-out-about-chemtrails-and-haarp/#.TqFlS94Ep1I.facebook" rel="nofollow">http://theintelhub.com/2011/10/19/pilot-speaks-out-about-chemtrails-and-haarp/#.TqFlS94Ep1I.facebookhttp://theintelhub.com/2011/10/19/pilot-speaks-out-about-chemtrails-and-haarp/#.TqFlS94Ep1I.facebook</a></p>
<p>Why are the USA IRS coming out saying there are spraying programmes of toxic chemicals etc?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRTWYf0JaPk&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRTWYf0JaPk&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player</a></p>
<p>Sent from my iPod</p>
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		<title>By: drbuzz0</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2011 04:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is a lot in that article that makes me believe it is completely made up and not written by a pilot at all. 

[quote]
My familiarity with jet aircraft brings me to the accident. I was headed back to my office when I noticed a jet had overtaken me. The location of a high jet was a bit strange and it looked as if it was losing a lot of fuel.  I immediately called the Department of Transport (DOT) to report what I thought was a severe fuel leak.
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That simply makes no sense.  If somehow it were possible to discern that the plane was dumping a lot of fuel, that would be more likely to indicate am intentional fuel dumb than a leak, and thus not necessarily a problem.   Even if it was, why call?  What could you do?   If a plane is leaking a lot of fuel (which is a rare event) they would know it.  

But if you did have urgent information to give to an aircraft in flight, why in the hell would you call the DOT?  I&#039;m not sure if he means the state or federal Department of Transportation but either way, they have nothing to do with it.  They might be the ones to call about a bad pothole.

You would want to call someone like the regional air traffic control center, or at least whatever air traffic control you could get a hold of.  I&#039;m assuming a pilot would know this.

of course, the whole idea of e. coli being sprayed at altitude to &quot;sterilize the seas&quot; is so idiotic I don&#039;t even know where to start.</description>
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My familiarity with jet aircraft brings me to the accident. I was headed back to my office when I noticed a jet had overtaken me. The location of a high jet was a bit strange and it looked as if it was losing a lot of fuel.  I immediately called the Department of Transport (DOT) to report what I thought was a severe fuel leak.</p>
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<p>That simply makes no sense.  If somehow it were possible to discern that the plane was dumping a lot of fuel, that would be more likely to indicate am intentional fuel dumb than a leak, and thus not necessarily a problem.   Even if it was, why call?  What could you do?   If a plane is leaking a lot of fuel (which is a rare event) they would know it.  </p>
<p>But if you did have urgent information to give to an aircraft in flight, why in the hell would you call the DOT?  I&#8217;m not sure if he means the state or federal Department of Transportation but either way, they have nothing to do with it.  They might be the ones to call about a bad pothole.</p>
<p>You would want to call someone like the regional air traffic control center, or at least whatever air traffic control you could get a hold of.  I&#8217;m assuming a pilot would know this.</p>
<p>of course, the whole idea of e. coli being sprayed at altitude to &#8220;sterilize the seas&#8221; is so idiotic I don&#8217;t even know where to start.</p>
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