Amaterasu said:

A petition has been started on Change.org for the US Government to release electrogravitics to the public.

How do you expect them to be able to release something which they don’t have?

In other words it’s completely wrong (Rifkin has a reputation for tending to be very wrong).

Ah, the energy theory of value, even more wrong than the labour theory of value (the subjective theory of value is the correct one).

Which is a good thing, if we didn’t have excess food to throw out we’d have famines every time there was a slight reduction in food yields due to things like unexpected droughts or pests wiping out crops.

I hear the Soviet Union tried that and it didn’t actually reduce waste at all (in fact it increased it massively).

The shoplifters would love you.

Then you are going to have massive famines as so-called ‘organic’ farming can’t feed the world as it is now (let alone when the population doubles) along with massive environmental devastation as every bit of land we can get that could even passably grow hippy food gets used to grow the ‘organic’ certified crap (when GMOs would allow us to reduce our use of land for food production by increasing yield).

Ha! You’d be creating scarcity, that’d pretty much guarantee that countries would go to war to ensure they get enough land to grow the low productivity ‘organic’ foods you like.

Necessity is a bigger motivation for war then mere profit, not to mention ideology (how do you expect to enforce your ideas on countries which disagree with you).

Yet your ideas on food would guarantee mass starvation.

Whilst the free software/open source/whatever it’s called this week movement does have many advantages and tends to produce technically superior results it isn’t perfect as you seem to be suggesting.

Actually what you’d create would be a hellhole, you might even manage to do worse than most of the communist states (wouldn’t surprise me if you’d manage to do as bad as the Khmer Rouge).

http://www.change.org/petitions/us-military-release-the-technology-of-electrogravitics

Why This Is Important

My early childhood was defined by My father’s excitement for His work in electrogravitics, then (1950’s) being worked on openly by all major aerospace companies. My father, a CalTech graduate and one of the top electrical engineers at one of these companies, would tell Me about the successes of His experiements (gravity control and overunity (free energy)), and tell Me what the world I would grow up in would look like.

Cars would fly, cities would float, and We would have all the energy We could use.

Then, one night He came home from work late and woke Me up to tell Me We couldn’t talk about the flying cars, the floating cities, the free energy anymore. “They want it secret for now.”

Since My childhood, I have studied economics, coming to the conclusion (later confirmed by Jeremy Rifkin in His book, Entropy) that all money represented was meaningful energy expended. One can grasp this most easily by considering the first hunter, fisherperson, gatherer, farmer, miner. The stuff They gained/used was free: critters, fish, fruits, vegetables, nuts, seed, sun, soil, rain, ores. It was the meaningful energy expended that gave “value” to the stuff: the killing, fishing, picking, tilling, weeding, harvesting, mining, transporting.

Add abundantly what money represents – energy – and the need for money (and the control of others it affords) in all its forms (barter, trade, work exchange, coin, bills, electronic funds…) will dissipate and what is left is free.

Add robots to do all the necessary jobs no One wants to do to free energy, and Humans will be freed to follow Their bliss – within the three Laws:

Do not willfully hurt or kill another Being
Do not willfully take or damage another Being’s property
Do not willfully defraud another Being

(A Being (cap the “B”) is sentient, sapient; animals are beings)

Waste would be virtually eliminated: supermarkets presently throw out hundreds of thousands of tons of food a month! Distributing by need and not profit will end this waste. Products would be made to last instead of being designed to break so as to ensure future sales. Theft-protecting packaging would be unnecessary. And so on.

Organic farming would be prized and GMO (genetically modified organisms) would be eliminated.

Motive for war will be virtually eliminated. With no profit motive for war suppliers and “infrastructure rebuilders,” wars will not be instigated to ensure profits.

Poverty will not exist.

Hunger will be eliminated.

Education (at all levels) will be free for all.

Replace the work “ethic” (a slave’s ethic: enrich the rich with Your Human energy) with a Betterment Ethic and the Humans who better things will be paid in appreciation, status, name-recognition and Self-satisfaction, the new “coin.”

Create a central website where problems can be brought up locally and People can “vote” to bump a problem up, down, show apathy by not voting, and chime in with solutions (which can be cheered and booed). Issues will drop off after the original poster indicates that the problem has been resolved or withdrawn, or there has been no activity after, say, six months (that is not set in stone). Social responsibility will be defined as spending 15 minutes a day examining issues on this site.

Also, issues with some set number of bumps up will be considered issues that need a wider awareness and go to regional sections. From there, continental, perhaps, and then global, as more are needed to be involved in solving the problem. Problems will beget the awareness to solve them.

Without money as a motive, problems will be solved more creatively, directly, harmoniously, and within the three Laws.

Leaders of the moment will emerge from this to solve problems as they arise.

Open-source all public works programming. This allows for many to make suggestions for betterment, and ensures that no one will create outside the three Laws. It also eliminates “back doors,” and other surreptitious software segments that bog down the clean functioning of the program. Without money as a motive, programmers will be proud to offer Their work for scrutinization and use, openly and freely. Status will be gained for creating the best programs.

Though this will not create a utopia, it will be vastly better than what We now have, in this scarcity-defined system, on this planet.

        LEONALDO said:

Sorry for my English. I am brazilian and i discovered this link http://www.free-energy-info.com/ and with some friends and colleagues are exploring the truth about free energy and has been successful in three experiments. .

Then shut-up, manufacture a device and become a billionaire, ether by selling it to consumers, or selling out to the oil companies.

Stop wasting your time with skeptics like us.

        otix said:

The people out there that put new (concepts) down,

Perpetual motion isn’t exactly very knew, people have been trying (and failing) at it for thousands of years.

Actually usually the people who laughed were the ones who were right, it is the rare exception where the person who was ridiculed turned out to be correct (and even then many of the stories exaggerate what would more accurately be termed mild disagreement (if even that)).

There is already Gibbs free energy but that isn’t exactly what you have in mind.

Still, fission comes close enough for most purposes and fusion might be able to come closer.

They couldn’t have been the greatest minds if they realise that the imagination has to be constrained by what is actually possible.

Actually much of the problem is people having their minds be so open their brain falls out and they waste precious resources on dead ends like perpetual motion.

        Free Energy Machine said:

Amazing free energy machine technology here! This is what the world needs now!

No, actually what the world needs is a good spammer seeking missile to kill people like you off.